The hook

This, by the way, is what I replaced the prologue with (I should also have said it was from a second book, but it should still hook I think.) I struggle to get this pov voice and played with changing it in case it was weak, and then decided I liked this version better. Let's see if my instincts were right. :)

It's hard to detach myself from the interest that comes with knowing who the characters are, but I tried. Nothing tripped me up, her POV was very strong, and I think I would have read on till the end. But to really hook me, I wanted something else that was special: just one phrase or image, whether in the description of the landscape or someone's actions, that made me go "oooh". You've done it elsewhere, but there isn't anything like that here, for me.
 
Would you settle for waiting another 150 words for that? It comes at the end of the prologue, a mantra of names she intends to make pay (you know them all) as she gets locked in. Given that it's a sequel, would that be soon enough? (It would be interesting to know as at some stage, I hope to go back and finish tidying this one up. When I'm ninety, probably.) :rolleyes:
 
Would you settle for waiting another 150 words for that?

No -- but I might not have been clear. I'm not after something fireworksy, just something that quietly sparkles: a phrase I've never heard before, or a unique and insightful way of describing something a character does. Something that pings in my brain and tells me you have the magic.
 
Oscar Miller dragged his feet all the way down Butternut Avenue. “You’re so lucky!” his friends always said. “You’re so, so lucky.”

But Oscar didn’t think he was lucky. He didn’t want to live in a 200-year-old apartment above a haunted bookstore. He hadn’t asked for a mother who was a part-time witch, mixing up potions in the kitchen along with batches of half-baked brownies. He had never said he wanted a mad scientist for a father, carrying out experiments in the basement, or a little sister in a hand-me-down lab coat several sizes too big.

Oscar just wanted to be a normal twelve-year-old. He wanted parents with ordinary jobs and a sister who wasn’t always sketching scientific diagrams on scraps of paper. He wanted a regular home, like his friend Steve, whose father was an accountant and whose mom ran the local Brownie pack.


I stopped reading here. It felt like a different style after this bit. I did try to read on, but the rest didn't follow the same easy flow and purpose. The first half was nice, though. I liked it.
 
Here's my current WiPadoodle then. I've just had a quick read through and can see wee bits I want to tweak...

When Allery heard the whistle, she opened her eyes to darkness, breathed in slowly, and stretched as much as she was able. Everything was hard and bare all around her, the wood uncomfortable against the back of her head. Her wrists ached dully and she traced a finger over the large scars on one of them. The prison guards had told her the only way she'd leave would be in a body bag and she'd known they were right.

She longed to be able to bend her knees and lift her arms above her head but the coffin was a snug fit. Cheapskates, she thought, smiling grimly. She needed a wee and, as she fidgeted, her stomach growled loudly. Bringing a hand to her mouth, she yawned and wondered how long she'd been down there and how much longer she'd have to wait before they got her out.

It wasn't quite silent underground, the wood creaked beneath her as she moved, and straining her ears she could hear a faint scratching and a thumping.

They were digging her up. She flexed her fingers and toes, wiggled her legs to fight off the cramp. The noises grew louder and she could hear shovels plunging into the earth and voices above.

"…hurry the f*ck up!" Esme, impatient as usual.

"Well, if you put your back into it…" She couldn't work out if that was Driscoll or Nick. Driscoll, probably. Nick would be on lookout, listening to the trees, checking for the guards.

A crack, and then a sliver of light came into the coffin. Allery helped push the lid open herself and Esme grabbed her arms and pulled her out. It was early evening, or morning, perhaps, dark but not so dark they needed torches.

She stood on the ground beside the open grave and brushed dirt from her grey prison uniform. Esme leaned on her shovel, a big grin on her pretty face. Driscoll thrust out his hand.

"Good to have you back, Al," he said.

"I'm glad to be out of that place," she replied, taking his hand.

"Did you get the information?"

She smiled. "Of course." Driscoll didn't ask for it. It wasn't safe for anyone else to know, the wardens were also looking for the key, and if she had managed to find out about it, they would too. Eventually.

"So are we going after it now?" Esme asked.

Allery stretched her arms above her head and cracked the bones in her neck. "I've just come back to life after spending far too long locked up," she said. "It can wait one more day."

"I'm sure it can," Driscoll agreed, scratching his moustache with a chewed fingernail. "For now, how about we head home and have a little celebratory drink. Nick! Get your arse over here."
 
Mouse, I would maybe streamline the first two sentences a bit. Third is fine and at the fourth sentence I was hooked. Its a great sentence, and I think you want to perhaps hurry the reader a little through the first para to get to it sooner.

Really enjoyed the excerpt, though; no place that particularly pulls me out.

Christian, thanks for the comment. I notice you pulled out when the surroundings description begins. I don't usually get too descriptive in writing but this time am trying something new out and I think I may be overdoing the scene setting!
 
Captain Jack Spence stood in the silent tower, his weapon holstered beside him. The landing he was on was about half way

I got through the first line and was reading the second when somewhere I started getting Blah Blah Blah not sure where to call it other than the first line.

Made it all the way through your second post though.
 
Ooh! Can I play? I have a feeling I've wrecked my start over far too many rewrites, and now I'm not sure it hooks at all any more. It would be good to know if and where it turns everyone off, or if they hate the character altogether (he takes a bit of getting used to, but he's only in it briefly).

As for everyone else's pieces, I shall don my fake mind-wiping cap and pretend I don't know you. Here we go:

Spring's first piece captured my interest (silent tower? Ooh! Then proceeded to mention it was PURPLE glass (yaaaaay!) full of lasers (shiny!). However, then there was so much description fired at me, my brain couldn't cope. I couldn't imagine it one after the other, and so I got lost and my mind wandered.

Hex's piece confused me on the first line (the misuse of the semi threw me, and I'm not too sure what "drifting fur of cotton" is), but I LOVE her descriptions - very beautiful, magic and dance healing gaps where "Beleth" seeps in. However, the description was a bit too heavy-handed, and being beautiful and almost dreamlike wasn't enough to engage me all the way through because of the slowness. I found my mind wandering, trying to make sense of what the character was doing, but, because I liked the voice, I ploughed on and found my attention intermittently renewed even though it was slow. Perhaps, since we've all heard of how agents shy away from the "dream sequence", you could say something like, "The dream dissolves, but as I cling to its fading remnants, I know our work here will last." Or something. Anyway, I like the premise.

Juliana's excerpt was the best of the three, imho, because it had a good mix of action, interest, and description - just enough to let me know what was going on and and where we were without boring me. I liked that he lived over a magical haunted bookstore, so when he stood outside, I immediately wanted to look at it with him to see what was so weird about it. My attention waned after that paragraph, but then immediately resumed once we had some direct action "the dad talking"), which saw me all the way to the end. If Juliana wants, though, the description could be tightened just a wee, wee bit, for readers who like even faster pacing.

As for Spring's second excerpt, I will admit that the lack of comma in the first sentence niggled, cos I've tried reading it again and again, and each time my OCDness stumbles. I wonder if any will start to read the sentence as in, "As the ship's engines shut down Averrine Pettina..."? :eek: Anyway, I picked myself up and kept going. The first para keeps making me stumble, though, and I can't identify if that's cos I'm too tired. Since no one else has said the same thing, I'm going to assume so. This is one of those times, were I writing, that I would end up separating out the second and third sentences so I could lose the commas and expand a bit, although when I'm less tired I'll likely put it back the way I had it, knowing me. Anyway, continuing: the next para hooked me, although perhaps remove the clichéd, "We have two ways we can do this", cos I don't think you need say that before you go on to say it in better words. Anyway, instant hook when I read about her son taking her power and empire. And ooh! She'd made Payne kneel? I love that sort of thing in books, the whole mind-power thing. It's no surprise it's in my own... And yes, after that I got to the end and was hooked.

As for Mouse's piece, I read the first para no problem, but my mind (I'm sorry) laughed at "wee" - I just didn't expect something so... what's the word? Colloquial? Maybe it's a POV thing, because I prefer the distant kinda POVs, but I would have liked something a bit less ordinary - more hinting rather than outright "I need a wee" - or maybe skipped it altogether. Maybe even a bit of humour: "She couldn't even cross her legs in here, and the way her stomach was feeling, she really needed to". Anyway, I made it to the end and would read on to find out how it isn't a wampire story. :D (Did I just write "wampire"?!)

Now my critter side wants to say you could remove a couple of things: the "Bringing a hand to her face", the "she replied" (I would just have her take his hand), and the "creaking wood" - I'm not sure the wood would creak, tbh, if you were rolling about on a giant long slab of it packed tightly in earth. I used to work with wood, and I just can't see it happening in that situation. Imagine if you took a cupboard door off and lay on it - it wouldn't creak. If anyone wants to correct me, though...?).


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Aaaaand, if anyone can help me out, I would be huuuugely grateful:


Either Maslin was getting old, or bodies were getting heavier. He sighed as he hauled his sledge. ‘Bloody age is jumping out at me again.’

At least his mud-stained pelts kept out the icy wind, unlike the tattered patches in his hat. He knew he should afford new head fur, but it was Fetah’s fault. If she wasn’t so bloody expensive and tempting with her curves and come-to-bed pout…! A man couldn’t skimp on boots, though, not for all the pouts in the world, not when a good pair could last you through yanith – and that was needed on this miserable route, when his legs sank into snow and he tripped on hidden tree roots.

A noise made him start: screeching blurs of brown and cream – a flock of whitewings – erupted from the woodland in a flurry of agitated feathers. No doubt an animal had startled them.

About bloody time! Since he’d left his hut at dawn, it had felt as if he’d dragged his bait halfway around the known world. There was a distinct lack of animals today. Come to think of it, there was a hush here too, a… feeling in the air, as if the world was unsettled. As well it should be! Why should the world be happy if he was bloody not? He tugged the boar over a particularly nasty tree root, grumbling. What he wouldn’t sell to have the comforts of a lord.

The sledge flew free after a violent tug. Only one more obstacle to overcome – a nasty rise that had caused him to slip more than a few times. It was easier to let the boar slide down the hill first before he carefully chose his steps. He heaved his load up the incline, forcing weary muscles to comply. Maybe he’d caught a cold. Why else would he feel so tired? More and more he looked forward to the day he left this life and walked through the city with the other white-hairs in a shower of cheers and petals. Finally he’d get his due! People would look to him with admiration. Bloody admiration!

Just as an image of a very adoring Fetah popped in his mind, he spotted a shape in the distance, lurking low to the ground. He blustered to a stop, squinting at the figure – surely a thief, for hunters didn’t die out here. Hunters were hardy, like himself.

‘This ain’t the backstreets!’ he whispered. ‘Bloody sneaky thievians.’ What was the world coming to? Maslin hoped to attract a rare predator with his boar, one his buyers would pay handsomely for. Some upstart wouldn’t rob him of that chance.

Stinking thievians. They never cared who they robbed or murdered. He grabbed an arrow from his quiver, set its nock on the cord, and drew it to his ear, contemplating whether he could loose it into the man’s head. Which end’s the head? He squinted at the shape. His eyesight was not what it used to be. Pah! Does it matter?
 
As for Mouse's piece, I read the first para no problem, but my mind (I'm sorry) laughed at "wee"

Dude. Grow up. :rolleyes::p

I don't really do the whole narrator-y narration. I always keep to a (albeit watered down version of) the character's voice. I write modern day stuff though, I wouldn't do it if I was writing faux-medieval epicness.

Glad you made it to the end though! In my mind it's a really thin, cheap coffin so creaks... or maybe groans. I might think of a different word. Anyway, I'm not willing to be buried alive to test the theory.

Either Maslin was getting old, or bodies were getting heavier. He sighed as he hauled his sledge. ‘Bloody age is jumping out at me again.’

At least his mud-stained pelts kept out the icy wind, unlike the tattered patches in his hat. He knew he should afford new head fur, but it was Fetah’s fault. (I stumbled massively here and can't quite get my head around the meaning. I think it's cos my brain wants it to say 'could' and 'wasn't' even if it shouldn't! Also not sure what head fur is. Hair? A hat? Anyway, I kept going...) If she wasn’t so bloody expensive and tempting with her curves and come-to-bed pout…! A man couldn’t skimp on boots, though, not for all the pouts in the world, not when a good pair could last you through yanith – and that was needed on this miserable route, when his legs sank into snow and he tripped on hidden tree roots.

A noise made him start: screeching blurs of brown and cream – a flock of whitewings – erupted from the woodland in a flurry of agitated feathers. No doubt an animal had startled them.

About bloody time! Since he’d left his hut at dawn, it had felt as if he’d dragged his bait halfway around the known world. There was a distinct lack of animals today.​
And that's where I stopped as it's all a bit too much for my taste. I'm not a reader of epic though, so it's got more to do with me than your writing. I did think it was dead human bodies he was carrying and kinda lost interest when you revealed it was 'bait.'
 
Heh! I do need to grow up, true. :D

Perhaps I stumbled with the "wee" cos I don't read a lot of set-in-modern-day fantasy and such a modern term threw me? (I'm used to bowels and bladders emptying in fright, not women needing harmless "wee"s! :eek:)

But okay, thank you. Your comments make me pause for thought. And heh! The "head fur" was me trying to find another way of saying "hat" so I didn't have it in such a close repeat. Sometimes, writers can get too finicky. I'll see what others think, but I may look at changing that (and some other bits). I only just added one of those paragraphs the other week, so it might not fit yet.
 
Wee didn't makeme blink, but I write a similar POV voice way as Le Mouselet.

Thanks for the comments, everyone - I obviously did change to the right version! The comma in the first sentence I've ruminated over a few times but it breaks the flow for me so I keep tsking it out. If you like mind-power stuff, she's probably the woman for you, Leisha!

I stopped at the second paragraph, Leisha - too descriptive for me (which is rich, given my first excerpt, I know) but I, too, am not an epic fan. :)
 
Okay, since 2/2 twitched at the 2nd para, I've condensed it and removed the Fetah reference. It does speed things up... (And yes, that 2nd para was the one I only just wrote the other week!)

Edit: Almost forgot: thanks!
 
Leisha, thanks for the comments. With yours, like Mouse I also thought he was dragging dead people and felt disappointed when it turned out to be bait (just because the dead bodies line was so intriguing!!! :D ).

I read all the way, because there was enough to interest me (but I do love a nice epic fantasy!), but I did think that this read like one of GRRM's prologue bits he has at the start of his Ice and Fire books, rather than the true start to your story. Like your MC might have been an extra POV character.

I do think it could be edited down a bit, to make it a bit snappier.

Edit: Ah, just saw your post!
 
I think we're proving nicely though, that what might hook one agent won't hook another. And not to sub your epic fantasies to the agents who like the real-world stuff. And vice versa. :D I used to read epics though. I think I just got impatient in my old age!
 
I was just about to go rest, but:

...but I did think that this read like one of GRRM's prologue bits he has at the start of his Ice and Fire books, rather than the true start to your story. Like your MC might have been an extra POV character.

Noooo! Oh no. I hope not. I've been aware for a very long time that my opening scene is very similar to GRRM's book one (I've not read the rest, so I can't say about those, but I'd written it long before I read his and it truly is where my story starts). Ack. To think it's reading like someone else's, which imo is the worst thing a writer can have... :S

But no, my true MC is not Maslin (Maslin sort of... dies... at the end of the scene, in a snowy forest, yes, hence the GRRM similarities and the "extra-character-ness" feel of the scene; he is an extra), and then my MC takes over. Maslin wakes my MC up inadvertently - she's lying in the snow, passed out - and then the two plot threads merge once he is indisposed of elsewhere and she gets up and finds his body.

Anyway, I'm a terrible over-describer, so I will need to tighten the whole novel A LOT once I finish writing it. :eek: I not looking forward to that.
 
Leisha, I don't think it sounds like GRRM, just that the opening style reminds me of... Argh, I'm probably making it worse. Anyhoo, just that its not a bad thing, just how I read it. And now I see I was right, it is a prologue of sorts, so thats fine.
 

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