A Rediscovery of Clifford D. Simak - A Reading Challenge

-- Oh, I forgot you also discussed The Autumn Land and Other Stories and you don't seem to have liked "Jackpot" as much as I did. I agree it isn't up with his very best, but I still wouldn't want to do without it. :))

Since I'm in a talkative mood today, I'll throw in that "Jackpot" is one of a number of Cliff's stories which deal with the theme of finding depositories of knowledge out in space. Cliff seems to have been intrigued by the idea, and came back to it again and again, to give it a different twist each time...in "Jackpot," the twist came through the addition of another Simak theme: human rapaciousness.
 
I did enjoy "Jackpot", I just thought it was less terrific than some in the collection. Of the ones you liked best, I've yet to track down and read "Big Front Yard" (quite an omission admission). Its on my radar, for sure.

Have you now gotten a copy of BFY to read?
 
Have you now gotten a copy of BFY to read?
I'm afraid not, Dave. Its not in many collections that I can easily source, funnily enough. Except the Hall of Fame volume, but its quite expensive, and I really like to get Cliff's short stories in collections of his works. I suppose I should just get it. Cheers.
 
Again, great to get such insights straight from the heart of camp Simak, Dave. I'm sure you did the right thing to just let it go. It's not especially well reviewed as far as I can see, and sourcing a copy to watch will probably not be easy in any event, so I doubt I'll be able to report back. But if I do see it, I'll be sure and let you know.

I'm fascinated with your comment that All Flesh... was one of Cliff's favourites. Are you able to tell us which other's he especially had a fondness for or was proud of particularly?

I haven't forgotten you asked, but I think I need to dredge my mind a bit... Remind me, later?
 
Anyone read "The Birch Clump Cylinder"? Really good as I recall.

I agree. I have at times speculated (to myself) whether it might be one of the most professional (technically speaking) of Cliff's stories. But mostly I don't worry about that kind of thing, considering myself too ignorant to be commenting in such fashion.

But, yes, it's a really good story all right: very original, very unusual, and inventive -- I've always been really intrigued with that concept of a spaceship powered by a "time engine." Cliff liked to use time travel, but this one did that in an unusual way...
And it's one of the most powerful of Cliff's stories, as far as characterization goes.
 
I haven't forgotten you asked, but I think I need to dredge my mind a bit... Remind me, later?

I should explain that for the most part Cliff, like most writers, seemed to like best the story he was currently working on...understandable.
But as far as specifically commenting on stories (of his) that he liked or did not like -- he did that seldom, at least in my presence; but when he did, it was often a remark about one of his shorter stories -- novels were not often commented on in that fashion...

So if I mention a novel or two that I thought he particularly liked, keep in mind that I'm doing so on the basis of remarks he made in other contexts.

That said, I can tell you that I think he particularly liked Ring Around the Sun and Time and Again.

I say that about Ring because it kept coming up in comments on his work in general. And I saw that about Time and Again because of the fact that the climax is set on what appears to be his own old family farm -- along with the fact that he tucked a character who appeared to be a lot like himself into the story.

I've thought, at times, that it may be significant that Ring was in some ways his first novel -- CITY isn't really a novel at all, and Cosmic Engineers was very out of character for Cliff in that period of his life -- he hadn't written at that length before, and he did it on that occasion only because John W. Campbell pushed him for something long enough to be serialized. I don't think Cliff really wanted to do it, but he tried to oblige John -- and in later years Cliff would consider that book a failure, in some ways: you see, he didn't like doing the kind of story we now think of as old-fashioned space opera, the ray-guns and rocket ships stories; he wanted to give John a story that (like the short stories he'd been selling to John for a couple of years at that point) relied on ordinary people rather than brainy scientists and heroic rocket jockeys -- but, as he would say years later, sometimes "you had to be grandiose in spite of yourself."

As for All Flesh is Grass (which is how we got into this discussion): I think Cliff liked it, yes; but why is a little difficult to say... The book combined a number of themes that were among his favorites, but I don't think that by itself makes a book among one of his favorites. So I guess the reason for my judgment is simply that Cliff commented to me, at one time, that he had been able to put into the book a little of his knowledge about making a career in writing fiction...I interpreted that (perhaps wrongly, who can say?) as indicating at least one thing he was happy to have done.

I'll mumble to myself for a while and see if I come up with anything else about the novels...
 
Many thanks, Dave. What I like very much about this recollection:

As for All Flesh is Grass... ...Cliff commented to me, at one time, that he had been able to put into the book a little of his knowledge about making a career in writing fiction...
is that is speaks volumes about the humility of Simak to express his opinion that way. I would interpret his comments the way you did I'm sure, but its a very modest way of suggesting that it was actually rather good, too. The more I hear about CDS, the more I warm to the man - you were lucky to know him, for sure.
 
Many thanks, Dave. What I like very much about this recollection:


is that is speaks volumes about the humility of Simak to express his opinion that way. I would interpret his comments the way you did I'm sure, but its a very modest way of suggesting that it was actually rather good, too. The more I hear about CDS, the more I warm to the man - you were lucky to know him, for sure.

I got lucky, for sure.
 
Oh, no, I can take no credit for any of Cliff's work. Cliff was very protective of his writing, and though I could speculate about that, I won't, here; suffice to say that aside from a story he wrote with his son in later life, he only attempted collaborations twice, both with local writer Carl Jacobi. The second was never accepted, and of the first, Cliff would later say that the two of them "fought like cats and dogs."

More definitively, Cliff said several times, in later years, that he never let other people read his stories as he was working on them; he said it made the story go "flat" for him, that it made the magic go away. Who would not respect that and back away?

Writers differ, I'm sure you know. Cliff had that attitude, but Gordy Dickson, for instance, was very different on that score.

(As for ENCHANTED PILGRIMAGE: Well, I have to tell you that in my opinion, it's not a fantasy. Read the book while keeping in mind Cliff's frequent use of alternate worlds stories, and then look at the ending again....)

Thank you greatly for clearing up that “The Highway of Eternity” is Cliff’s work alone. I think I got the idea that you might have provided some sort of assistance from speculation on the Simak-fan site some years ago.

I’m happy to accept that “Enchanted Pilgrimage” is not fantasy. In fact the distinction is not that important to me, but I'm afraid I tend to find fantasy somewhat tedious, while I still remember how "Enchanted Pilgrimage" felt like a breath of fresh air when I first read it.
 
I should explain that for the most part Cliff, like most writers, seemed to like best the story he was currently working on...understandable.
But as far as specifically commenting on stories (of his) that he liked or did not like -- he did that seldom, at least in my presence; but when he did, it was often a remark about one of his shorter stories -- novels were not often commented on in that fashion...

So if I mention a novel or two that I thought he particularly liked, keep in mind that I'm doing so on the basis of remarks he made in other contexts.

That said, I can tell you that I think he particularly liked Ring Around the Sun and Time and Again.

I say that about Ring because it kept coming up in comments on his work in general. And I saw that about Time and Again because of the fact that the climax is set on what appears to be his own old family farm -- along with the fact that he tucked a character who appeared to be a lot like himself into the story.

I've thought, at times, that it may be significant that Ring was in some ways his first novel -- CITY isn't really a novel at all, and Cosmic Engineers was very out of character for Cliff in that period of his life -- he hadn't written at that length before, and he did it on that occasion only because John W. Campbell pushed him for something long enough to be serialized. I don't think Cliff really wanted to do it, but he tried to oblige John -- and in later years Cliff would consider that book a failure, in some ways: you see, he didn't like doing the kind of story we now think of as old-fashioned space opera, the ray-guns and rocket ships stories; he wanted to give John a story that (like the short stories he'd been selling to John for a couple of years at that point) relied on ordinary people rather than brainy scientists and heroic rocket jockeys -- but, as he would say years later, sometimes "you had to be grandiose in spite of yourself."

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I’ve always been very fond of “Time and Again” and “Ring around the Sun”. I’m happy to hear that he remained satisfied with these, the first two novels that were entirely his own. Of course he was in his forties when they were first published, so unlike many writers’ producing early novels, he must have already had a certain maturity and life experience.

Regarding “Cosmic Engineers”: while it does, to my amateur eye, have the signs of a straining first effort, I still enjoy it for its imaginative touches.
There are a couple of details that always stuck in my mind. One is the early appearance in his writing pre-City of the idea of robots as guardians of the human race. The other is the pre-Star Trek references to “warp drive” and something very similar to “replication”. I’m not sufficiently knowledgeable about science fiction to know whether these ideas predate Simak’s use of them, but it would be something if the “warp drive” originated with Simak.
I think it’s also unusual in Simak’s writing in that one of the central characters is a woman.
He must have been fond of the evocative term “hellhounds” as they feature from time to time in his writing.
I’ve thought (or read) that this was written in the context of the gathering clouds of WWII.
 
On another subject:

The Complete Short Fiction of Clifford D. Simak, edited by Dave Wixon and published by Open Road Integrated Media

Volume Two "The Big Front Yard and Other Stories"

Volume Three "The Ghost of a Model T" and Other Stories"

I am really pleased to have received the latest two paperback (not e-book) volumes of Simak's collected stories.

As someone who has little tolerance for reading e-books, I hope very much that these will sell well enough for Open Road to make the subsequent volumes also available in paperback.

I had forgotten that each included one of Simak's Westerns.

Many thanks to Dave and Open Road.

Hugh
 
Regarding “Cosmic Engineers”: while it does, to my amateur eye, have the signs of a straining first effort, I still enjoy it for its imaginative touches.
There are a couple of details that always stuck in my mind. One is the early appearance in his writing pre-City of the idea of robots as guardians of the human race. The other is the pre-Star Trek references to “warp drive” and something very similar to “replication”. I’m not sufficiently knowledgeable about science fiction to know whether these ideas predate Simak’s use of them, but it would be something if the “warp drive” originated with Simak.
I think it’s also unusual in Simak’s writing in that one of the central characters is a woman.
He must have been fond of the evocative term “hellhounds” as they feature from time to time in his writing.
I’ve thought (or read) that this was written in the context of the gathering clouds of WWII.

Me, too, Hugh -- that is, I'd be interested in learning whether Cliff "invented" the "warp drive." But I suspect there are a lot of concepts that could be described using the latter term, and in any case, learning that would require a remarkable lot of research into past SF -- which would be fun but would take a good deal of time and resources...
Never fear: someone, somewhere, will do it, and then put it on the internet...

"Hellhounds" was used a lot by Cliff -- I've no idea why. Another term, used even more frequently, was "ogre."
 
On another subject:

The Complete Short Fiction of Clifford D. Simak, edited by Dave Wixon and published by Open Road Integrated Media

Volume Two "The Big Front Yard and Other Stories"

Volume Three "The Ghost of a Model T" and Other Stories"

I am really pleased to have received the latest two paperback (not e-book) volumes of Simak's collected stories.

As someone who has little tolerance for reading e-books, I hope very much that these will sell well enough for Open Road to make the subsequent volumes also available in paperback.

I had forgotten that each included one of Simak's Westerns.

Many thanks to Dave and Open Road.

Hugh
Open Road and I thank you.
 
Nothing interesting in this post - just me bookmarking a fascinating thread about an author I have been neglecting for too long.

Well, er -- ok. (I have a sneaking hunch that we'll be hearing from you later, though...)

In any case: welcome to the thread!
 
Everything that man painted was a classic.

I'm not sure I agree -- I am old enough to remember when he was doing covers for MAD MAGAZINE... I loved MAD, but I got a little tired of Alfred E. Newman being the major feature of all the covers...
 

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