A Rediscovery of Clifford D. Simak - A Reading Challenge

Project Pope (1981 novel, 313 pages)

I read this mumblety-mumble years ago and can't even remember if I actually owned it and lost it or if it was a library book. Either way, this is only the second time I've read it and it might as well have been the first - I remembered almost nothing.

Basically, this is a tale of robots having created a, ahem, foundation that they call Vatican-17 which is modeled on but not at all identical to the Earth Vatican. Some humans have been taken along (and have special talents to sort of psychically explore other worlds and dimensions) and some aliens visit on pilgrimages. And they've created a computer who they believe is destined to become Pope. (It is called and treated as Pope already but there's a sort of teleological endgame as well.) However, the main protagonists are a couple of robot cardinals and, more prominently, Decker, a man who crash-landed years before the story opens after his crew abandoned him when they ran into a region of space that made Decker and them all terrified; Jason, a doctor on the run from the "law" of a kind feudal gangster world; and Jill, a lovely-but-for-her-massive-facial-scar reporter who wants to make a story out of Vatican; and Whisperer, the runt of a sparkly almost-immaterial race that used to live on the planet before the robots arrived, who telepathically communicates with Decker. (There are also big round alien "wardens" on the planet who haven't interacted much.) The doctor and reporter quickly become lovers and the doctor and the ex-spacer quickly become friends. The doctor and reporter also transform into the happy Vatican doctor and the house historian and become involved in the main initial conflict of the story. Turns out there is a faction of robots that want to focus on their faith (which is a sort of generalized cosmic gnosticism which only uses the trappings of old terrestrial Catholicism) and others who think the psychic cosmic explorers will bring knowledge from which a sound faith can arise (much like the computer pope). This fusion of science and religion seems to be the main theme of the book. One of the "Listeners", Mary, thinks she's found "Heaven" and the religious faction doesn't care if she has or not - they want to make her a saint and shut down the exploratory project. So Whisperer and Jason and Jill eventually team up to try to find Heaven themselves and determine its nature.

The virtues of this book are its having intermittent moments of real interest, interesting characters, a complex milieu, a weird and funny approach to its robots, and a really vivid, weird imagination and lots of ideas. The flaws of this book are a very slow, wandering, thin plot and a not-especially satisfactory climax. The milieu/plot thing amounts to a whole lot of complicated moving parts doing little, simple movement.

There is also the possibility that this is a brilliant and meticulously constructed pile of symbolism and I missed it. For instance, it seems to me a flaw that Jill has a stigma that doesn't seem particularly connected to anything thematic or otherwise and that there is a "miracle" that is then completely dropped without further exploration. But perhaps the surface flaws are due to a deeper authorial intent and someone could explicate and excuse them. But I doubt it and it wouldn't change the basic fact that this is a pretty loose book that didn't always hold my attention.

But it is full of Simakian-ness and would probably appeal to his most devoted fans and is perfectly readable to any sort. I give it a 2.5 in the sense of "publishable, professional-grade stuff, with something extra", but not quite one I "like".

Examples of the Simakian-ness are the comparison of Vatican to medieval monasteries where one can be sheltered from the chaotic galaxy outside; the appreciation of the mountains around Vatican, Jason's trip to "the autumn land" as his own private heaven; the stoic, taciturn friendship between Jason and Decker; the fuzzy fantastic imagination not overly concerned with wiring diagrams and hard science; the scientific/religious theme; and the big and little and distant people who contribute to the whole and the ordinary heroes of the book.
 
One more note about Cemetery World: it contains a scene that stuck in my mind, that I rate nothing less than extraordinary.
It's when the main characters partecipate a country feast in a rural village near Cemetery.
The description of the dance is incredible - the readers feels like they were there, watching the dance themselves.
At least, I felt that way - and I still feel that way every time I re-read that novel.
The only other scene comparable in all Simak's production, in my opinion, is the final scene in Shakespeare Planet.
Even if for sure the novel is not his best (I hate in particular the recurring, boring conversations among the three brains managing the Ship; IMHO too many, too much philosophical, too long); but the description of the final struggle alone is worth the price of the book - I won't give any further detail not to spoil the surprise to the ones who haven't read it yet.
BTW: great posts, congratulations guys!
Roberto
 
Thank you for your review of "Time is the Simplest Thing". In my personal ranking list this novel is in the top ten. I'm curious how you will evaluate my favorites: "Way Station", "All Flesh is Grass", "They Walked Like Men" and "Ring Around the Sun". Also, "The Werewolf Principle", "Our Children's Children", "Why Call Them Back from Heaven", "The Visitors" ... there are many good novels, you must read.

Ralf,
I'll give my personal rating:

EXCELLENT *****
Way Station - wonderful
Ring Around the Sun - visionary
Why call Them Back from Heaven - deep

VERY GOOD ****
All Fleash is Grass - touching
The Werewolf Principle - imaginific

GOOD ***
They Walked like Men - divertissement
Our Children's Children - honest craftmanship
The Visitors - honest job

As you may have guessed, when talking about Simak " GOOD *** " is my worst vote...

Roberto
 
Our Children's Children really didn't work for me. Not quite sure why. The only Simak where this has happened.
 
EXCELLENT *****
Way Station - wonderful
Ring Around the Sun - visionary
Why call Them Back from Heaven - deep

Roberto

OK... I had the other two, but not Why Call, so I have ordered that on your recommendation....
 
Our Children's Children really didn't work for me. Not quite sure why. The only Simak where this has happened.

Hitmouse,
it didn't work for me, either. I rated it " good ", but, as I clarified, in my ranking, when taking about Simak, " good " is a rather poor vote.
The other novels I didn't like that much are the old " Empire ", " Mastodonia ", and, on a slightly higher plane, " The Visitors ".
It's interesting to note that Mastodonia was first released as a novelette; the plot is pretty much the same as the final release, with a couple of minor changes; I like the novelette better. Probably the plot isn't consistent enough to work in a longer novel.
Roberto
 
PS: I forgot to mention " The Hellhounds of Cosmos ". IMHO, plainly horrible, even taking into account the age it was written in.
Roberto
 
Hello Roberto and all,

how would you rate actually "Time and Again" and "The Goblin Reservation"?

On the Simak Contest 2008 in the Fan Group the two novels were very well placed (3rd and 4th place). For me they are more in midfield.

"Time and Again" is quite exciting, but I had the feeling Simak wanted to deal with too many topics in a single novel. The novel works by half-baked and confused.

"The Goblin Reservation" is better. It has an interesting topic and is at times quite funny, but sometimes the humor is silly (for example, when Shakespeare dancing with his own mind). The novel ends in a shambles and I think Simak has forgotten how the novel has begun. The teleportation accident of Maxwell, who has allowed the action, is at least not cleared and was never mentioned in the second part of the book. (Perhaps this is due to the German translation.)

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Examples of the Simakian-ness are ... the fuzzy fantastic imagination not overly concerned with wiring diagrams and hard science...
Nice review, J-Sun. I get a pretty clear impression of the novel though I'm not sure I'll be rushing out to add this one to the pile. I like your reference to Simak's soft approach to his SF in the above quote. There's no 'wiring diagram' in Way Station yet either, and its none the worse for this style of book. Sometimes I want the story to revolve around the science, but often times not. Simak is a bit like Silverberg in this regard, and its probably why I like Silverberg too. Interestingly, the modern Analog focuses on the 'wiring diagram' type of story, where science is front and centre of the plot. Obviously its changed a fair bit over the years, as Simak published in both Astounding and Analog many times with stories that would these days fit much better in Asimov's.

Ralf - I picked up The Goblin Reservation the other day when I also got Why call Them Back from Heaven. I'll be interested to check it out soon.
 
Hello Roberto and all,

how would you rate actually "Time and Again" and "The Goblin Reservation"?

On the Simak Contest 2008 in the Fan Group the two novels were very well placed (3rd and 4th place). For me they are more in midfield.

"Time and Again" is quite exciting, but I had the feeling Simak wanted to deal with too many topics in a single novel. The novel works by half-baked and confused.

"The Goblin Reservation" is better. It has an interesting topic and is at times quite funny, but sometimes the humor is silly (for example, when Shakespeare dancing with his own mind). The novel ends in a shambles and I think Simak has forgotten how the novel has begun. The teleportation accident of Maxwell, who has allowed the action, is at least not cleared and was never mentioned in the second part of the book. (Perhaps this is due to the German translation.)

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Ralf,
in my opinion " Time and Again " (but I like more the title under which it was serialized, " First He Died ", which impact is much stronger), is a good novel, even though not his best. It's true that probably Simak put too many concepts in it, but in my opinion the initial assumption of an astronaut killed and resurrected by mysterious aliens, so strange it's even impossible to describe them, it's great.
By the other hand, it's true that the relation between Sutter and the androids is confused at best, and that the 2nd part of the plot is staggering a bit.
To cut a long story short, in a scale 0 to 10 I'd rate it 7.

" The Goblin Reservation " is a different kind of novel, half way between SF and Fantasy. It seems to me that the plot, although complicate, winds on smoothly, and that in the end all threads come to a reasonable end.
The chapter in which Maxwell talks to the dying phantom is excellent, as well as the way the various characters are depicted - mainly Shakespeare, Ghost, and Alley Oop - but that's normal in Simak works. Also, the way the " bad " aliens are rendered seems to me quite original.
Overall, I find it amusing enough, specially when Shakespeare escapes his own ghost; you have written that in the end he's dancing with his " mind "; I've no idea whether it's mistyping or poor translation into German, but actually he's dancing with his own ghost.
And I'd like to emphasize that, among the others, a concept very often recurring in Simak work plays the central role in this novel: the " depot of knowledge " (in this case, a whole planet) , that, under several varying forms, is present in many of his novels.
Again, to cut a long story short, also taking into account the pleasantness of its reading, 0 to 10 I'd rate it 8,5.

My 2 cents

Roberto
 
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Overall, I find it amusing enough, specially when Shakespeare escapes his own ghost; you have written that in the end he's dancing with his " mind "; I've no idea whether it's mistyping or poor translation into German, but actually he's dancing with his own ghost.
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Yes, it was my fault. In German, the word "Geist" means both: "ghost" ("wraith") and "mind" ("intellect"). I have messed it. I meant "ghost".

And thank you for your detailed viewing. "Time and Again" is - I think - not well translated in German. It just does not read fluently.
"The Goblin Reservation" maybe I should read it again. It is intended here already 15 or 20 years, when I read it for the last time.

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Message to all: My website simak-bibliography.com is currently locked. That's why you don't see all the pictures, which should appear in some posts here. Tomorrow should be solved the problem again.
 
When Simak wrote "Desertion," he must have known he'd written what would be an sf classic. It's an elegant tale, economically told and accomplishing what Simak intended, surely.
 
When Simak wrote "Desertion," he must have known he'd written what would be an sf classic. It's an elegant tale, economically told and accomplishing what Simak intended, surely.

Extollager,
I myself, unlike others, consider City as a novel rather than a collection of short stories; be as it is, IMHO Desertion is a wonderful chapter/a wonderfl short story.
Roberto
 
"Time and Again" is quite exciting, but I had the feeling Simak wanted to deal with too many topics in a single novel. The novel works by half-baked and confused.

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I have given it a first reading & might agree with you. But how nice to read a novel that doesn't sprawl out for hundreds of pages of dialogue and so on with a thinner basis in ideas. I like that old-fashioned economy of words. I'm pretty well of the view that I will never read an sf novel longer than
Earth Abides or Dune, and will be wary of books advertised as installments in a multi-volume series.* Tell me, folks, what sf novels as long as Earth Abides or Dune are really worth all those pages?

*However, I expect to give the Foundation trilogy another look one of these days. I guess I mean that I don't trust any multi-volume sf series written more recently than 1980 or so. Sf authors got hold of word processors and editors got dollar signs in their eyes at the prospect of multi-volume cash cows, and things have never been the same.....
 
how nice to read a novel that doesn't sprawl out for hundreds of pages of dialogue and so on with a thinner basis in ideas. I like that old-fashioned economy of words. I'm pretty well of the view that I will never read an sf novel longer than
Earth Abides or Dune, and will be wary of books advertised as installments in a multi-volume series.* Tell me, folks, what sf novels as long as Earth Abides or Dune are really worth all those pages?
On the whole I agree with the sentiment, Extollager, and Simak seems to bring new meaning to brevity in his ability to wrap up a good plot in about 6 pages! However, I shall briefly provide a direct answer to your question, seeing as you pose it: how about: Red Mars, the Helliconia books, or maybe Stand on Zanzibar? I'm being awkward though, and I tend to think the exceptions prove the rule. (I did actually enjoy Reality Dysfunction, too, if I'm being honest).
 
Extollager,
I myself, unlike others, consider City as a novel rather than a collection of short stories; be as it is, IMHO Desertion is a wonderful chapter/a wonderful short story.
Roberto
It is interesting how different readers see 'City'. I think it's better (to me) if viewed as a related collection of short stories. It didn't seem so 'novelly' to me. 'Desertion' is very good, but I think 'The Huddling Place' is the best story-chapter in the book.
 
It is interesting how different readers see 'City'. I think it's better (to me) if viewed as a related collection of short stories. It didn't seem so 'novelly' to me. 'Desertion' is very good, but I think 'The Huddling Place' is the best story-chapter in the book.

Bick,
I'll put the things as follows.
Without any doubt City IS a collection of short stories - BTW, written within a long time span; if I remember correctly, some 10 years (30, if you count also the Epilog).

But, IMHO, the linkage represented by the introduction to single stories, and the consistency of general approach and meaning, it's " also " a novel.

So I think that both views can be correct.

My 2 cents

Roberto
 
.... I shall briefly provide a direct answer to your question, seeing as you pose it: how about: Red Mars, the Helliconia books, or maybe Stand on Zanzibar?)

Thanks for reminding me of these much-praised books, none of which I have read.
 

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