Star Wars Episode 7: The Force Awakens Thread **SPOILERS THROUGHOUT**


Han's Death

Ford had asked to be written out so I expected it. As soon as he saw Kylo and started following him I knew the game was up.

I agree its not a bad thing, I thought Boyega and Ridley brought a more grounded feeling to their characters and Han has always been a bit cheesy. I think the new cast are really well served to bring this forward.

When I described this scene to Number One daughter - flaming sword fall into the chasm and the presumption that he had died - she said, "Oh, he's done a Gandalf!"

So half-way through the next movie expect Han the White to turn up and rescue everyone's ass just when things are at their lowest ebb and there's 15 minutes of screen time left.
 
But why have troops that carry this weapon and are trained to use them? Who were they expecting to run up against, if Luke has been AWOL for years and Ren killed all of his disciples? Seems strange to go to those lengths for what had to be a one-in-several thousand chance some random perp pulls a lightsabre out...

Pretty short odds in the Star Wars universe. I mean what are the odds of Han and Chewy chancing on the Millennium Falcon MINUTES after our protagonists take off in it - after searching for it for years - and then MINUTES after that two bunches of bad guys arrive looking for Han? Gazzilions to one
 
I agree with pretty much everything that has been said. Also what was the point of Captain Phasma other than to have a shiny stormtrooper. We see her twice and all she manages to do is get captured. She must have come up through the old Empire's stormtrooper training regime. :rolleyes:
 
Okay. I had mixed feelings initially, but I'll say that upon reflection it was a great movie. I'll just list what I liked, and what I didn't.

Dislikes:
-Captain Phasma: Clearly the Boba Fett of the new trilogy. But she may have her uses yet... However, how did she, a captain, submit to a former cleaner simply because a blaster was to her head? If what General Huxx says is any indication, she should be programmed to near perfection. So why did she do as they asked so easily? I honestly hoped that they'd been foolish enough to let her do it, and then she'd set off the alarms or something.

-Starkiller Base aka Death Star III:
I knew this was going to happen from the trailers alone. It jarred me to see this yet again. I know they were trying to create parallels with the originals, but honestly, that was way too annoying. Especially since I kinda assumed it would happen. There was a part where someone said (I think it was Han): "It's like the Death Star", which made me think maybe it wouldn't be. Someone replies saying: "This was the Death Star, this is Starkiller Base." And it's way bigger. But all that really ended up meaning was that it made a bigger explosion.

-Simplicity:
This should be a given because it's a mainstream franchise, but I've been a fan of the EU, and that's always had more complexity. I've always known Star Wars movies wouldn't have the depth that the books/comics/video games have, which is why I would love for them to make a tv show. They'd have more time and they couldn't fill it all with explosions and lightsabers. They'd have to have actual character drama and that would create complexity. Ideally anyway... Maybe the anthology movies will manage to handle that front better. They're going to basically be EU but in movie form, which has so much potential. The great thing too, is that there's no source material (unless they choose to use some of the newer books/comics) and so it will be a new movie every time. Again, Ideally anyway.

Likes:
-Humour and dialogue: This was so well done, I think. It was amazing sitting in the cinema with hundreds of other fans all laughing in unison. The dialogue was great, especially with parts like when Finn breaks Poe out and the conversation following is:
"Why are you doing this?"
"Because it's the right thing to do."
"You need a pilot."
"I need a pilot."
I loved it.

-Shades of grey:
Still a little less than I like in stories, but this is my childhood franchise, so it gets away with things others wouldn't. Kylo was a great character, and I understand they couldn't focus on his conflict for too long, same with Fin. Fin seemed to be showing signs of PTSD at first, but then he's cracking jokes. Again, it's a consequence of being a film, so I don't mind. I'm just grateful they had conflicted characters and didn't make them all one-dimensional. Also, they have more films to expand upon them, you can't give it all in a single flick.

-New Characters (except Phasma):
All of them were great. Their acting, their characters, it was brilliant. I loved all of them.

-The Magic and The Soundtrack: There are a few examples, but I'll just use one: when Rey pulls Luke's lightsaber to her. That was one of those magical moments I imagine was reminiscent of the originals. It's one of those things like when Luke blows up the Death Star, or when Vader saves Luke from the Emperor, it will never get old. When the music plays, you know the theme, you know what it probably means (Rey's going to be a jedi, but also, she's a Skywalker).

All in all, a great movie, and a welcome addition to the franchise. This movie was to me, what Phantom Menace was to the first generation of fans, and I'm glad that's the only thing the two had in common.
 
I think Rey is Lukes daughter - it seems to make sense thematically and structurally for the story.

Rey seems innately more powerful than Kylo and it was when he was doing the whole Jedi mind invasion thing she seemed to grab his thoughts?

That's probably because she's a Skywalker. Since Anakin, Skywalkers have always had an abnormal power over the force. It makes sense, considering they're basically the descendants of a 'chosen one' or anomaly. Rey's going to be a badass to be sure. Also, the whole 'I'm waiting for my family' thing, was kind of a dead giveaway.

Kylos lightsaber.
He didn't know how to construct one properly, I think. The two parts that come out the sides, is a sign of his incompetence. He's one of the few characters you can tell really don't know how these ancient tools work, and he's just a kid trying to lash out for currently unknown reasons. I mean, every time he was angry he literally had a tantrum. A funny one to be sure, but still immature behaviour. With Vader it was a simple choke and he moved on. But Kylo's not Vader and that's what I like about him.

Poor Han.
Knew it was coming, but it was great anyway. I'm glad they did it.


 
Pretty short odds in the Star Wars universe. I mean what are the odds of Han and Chewy chancing on the Millennium Falcon MINUTES after our protagonists take off in it - after searching for it for years - and then MINUTES after that two bunches of bad guys arrive looking for Han? Gazzilions to one
That was explained, sort of. They said the MF had some transponder that was activated when they took off and they tracked it with their space-eating freighter. They said that the First Order would also be tracking it in the same way and would also show up shortly so they needed to get going quickly. I don't remember the exact conversation.

Obviously, even if you can immediately track something, that doesn't also mean that you could immediately reach it. So, still short odds. However, that is part of an entirely separate problem; the instantaneous travel problem of which others have already described.

Unfortunately, they also went on to talk about who had stolen it from who, as if they were actively looking for it and were almost about to find it anyway. If that was actually what was implied, then you would be correct - very unlikely indeed.
 
I watched this on Friday and enjoyed it - a lot. That being said though I did feel that Daisy Ridley was poor more often than not, not at all impressed there. I enjoyed John Boyega's portrayal and conversely was annoyed by Adam Driver (or Stompy Stairs the mardy teen) more often than not.
 
Our very own @Werthead has done up a very handy little post attempting to answer some of the questions raised by the movie: The Wertzone: STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS questions and answers. He was obviously paying a lot closer attention than me, to pick up on some of the dialogue cues.

I particularly liked Wert's explanation of how they were able to see the destruction of Hosnian Prime: 'J.J. Abrams has absolutely zero conception of how big space is'.
 
Lots of Star Wars guys all around the shopping centre where I went over the weekend.

There were Stortroopers, Bob Fett, Imperial Guards, Kylo Ren and a couple of Ewoks.

It seemed my Eldest Child has moved to the dark side.

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It seems I am in a bad situation!

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Everything worked out in the end! SR and his two Princesses. (3 including the furry Ewok)

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I just watched today and must say I'm a bit disappointed. I did enjoy it, it was a fun film with good effects, good action and all that good stuff. But i was disappointed by the fact i sat down to watch the Force Awakens and watched A New Hope instead (and honestly not just A New Hope, but episodes 1, 4, 5, heck, just about all of them!) I understand that it's supposed to be nostalgic and all that, but are we really that opposed to new ideas and trying something different that we want to watch the same film with a slightly different coat of paint?

I had purposefully stayed away from any literature about it, so spoiler free until I sat down to watch... well done me. But quickly I soon watched the same scenes that I'd watched a dozen times before. Anakin, (or is it Luke?) the scavenger on Jakuu that escapes the desert planet to find the Jedi. The droid with the secret message to get to the resistance. The Death Star for the third time, with the trench run, the slightly altered one of a kind shot to blow it up. Family feud confrontations that end in the mentor being thrown off the edge of the space station. Even yoda showed up with strange glasses and the ability to know people's souls by their eyes.

I do hope the next instalment aren't carbon copies of the original trilogy again. I would like to see the different directions the characters can take, but i kind of expect Rey to be identified as Luke's lost daughter and lose a hand to be replaced by a mechanical one among a myriad of other new(skinned) plots.

I did like the new characters for the most part, and the fairly decent lack of Hollywood one-liner comedy (that really just ruins films for me) and it definately looked great. I can put aside the insta-travel and the decent sized plot holes (though im sure there were no more stars in the area for the Starkiller to eat and shoot out, so the galaxy would have been safe after that attack anyway, right?) I just wish it was a new film.
 
I just watched today and must say I'm a bit disappointed. I did enjoy it, it was a fun film with good effects, good action and all that good stuff. But i was disappointed by the fact i sat down to watch the Force Awakens and watched A New Hope instead (and honestly not just A New Hope, but episodes 1, 4, 5, heck, just about all of them!) I understand that it's supposed to be nostalgic and all that, but are we really that opposed to new ideas and trying something different that we want to watch the same film with a slightly different coat of paint?

I had purposefully stayed away from any literature about it, so spoiler free until I sat down to watch... well done me. But quickly I soon watched the same scenes that I'd watched a dozen times before. Anakin, (or is it Luke?) the scavenger on Jakuu that escapes the desert planet to find the Jedi. The droid with the secret message to get to the resistance. The Death Star for the third time, with the trench run, the slightly altered one of a kind shot to blow it up. Family feud confrontations that end in the mentor being thrown off the edge of the space station. Even yoda showed up with strange glasses and the ability to know people's souls by their eyes.

I do hope the next instalment aren't carbon copies of the original trilogy again. I would like to see the different directions the characters can take, but i kind of expect Rey to be identified as Luke's lost daughter and lose a hand to be replaced by a mechanical one among a myriad of other new(skinned) plots.

I did like the new characters for the most part, and the fairly decent lack of Hollywood one-liner comedy (that really just ruins films for me) and it definately looked great. I can put aside the insta-travel and the decent sized plot holes (though im sure there were no more stars in the area for the Starkiller to eat and shoot out, so the galaxy would have been safe after that attack anyway, right?) I just wish it was a new film.
I had the exact same feeling at first. But somehow I've come to be quite happy with it. Though if I could choose, I'd fully want a new film. In all honesty though, the prequels were 'new' and look how people responded.
 
I didn't mind the prequels though. There were elements that I disliked (the aforementioned comedy for one) I didn't love them, but liked them well enough. I haven't seen them in 6-7 years I don't think, so I might think differently, but I can't imagine hugely different.

I havent actually looked into the lit about them, Is the main point against them the same reason why people rallied against Johnny Storm in the newest Fantastic4 film, simply because it was different and unexpected?
Is this why we have so many reboots in the most recent years, and why the best selling video games are Fifas and Call of Dutys, essentially the very same game with slight updates of rosters etc. are we really so critical, so scared of the new experience? Or does it co e down to the numbers game, and Disney are cutting their potential losses, thinking(?) knowing(?) hopin(g?) that more people will go to see a film they already know they like. Completely ignoring the huge amount of people more than likely going to watch it and any subsequent SW franchise regardless. Im a pretty good fan, not a die hard one though, but I can say for a near certainty that I will watch every SW film released.
 
I've not read the above because of spoilers but I thought I'd mention that Andy Cox managed to get Nick Lowe's review of this into the next (January 2016) issue of Interzone, #262. All 2000 words of it.
The review is accompanied by a still and not just any old still but an IMAX still.
Along with that;-
The issue has stories from Mercurio D. Rivera, Ian Sales, Carole Johnstone, Philip A. Suggars, T.R. Napper and Rahul Kanakia.
Vincent Sammy the 2016 cover artist writes about providing the cover art for the year with the first of 6 of them on this issue, The Orion Crusades.
IZ #262 has 2 story illustrations by Jim Burns and 3 from Richard Wagner.
Book reviews include the latest from Dave Hutchinson (also interviewed), Emma Newman, Paul Meloy, Stephen Baxter, Tricia Sullivan, Christopher Fowler and Hal Duncan
 
I had the exact same feeling at first. But somehow I've come to be quite happy with it. Though if I could choose, I'd fully want a new film. In all honesty though, the prequels were 'new' and look how people responded.

I think this new film is based on a misunderstanding of why the prequels aren't popular, to be honest. The prequels didn't fail because they were different to the OT - hell, they were trying to hit all the same nostalgia buttons as The Force Awakens, with a return to Tatooine, appearances by Jabba and Boba Fett, and so on. The prequels failed because they were poorly executed. But you can see some good stuff in there, good ideas and intentions that would have made them stand apart form the OT in a good way, it's just that it's hidden behind George Lucas's massive ego. I still maintain that in the hands of a competent writer and director that that same basic story outline could have been turned into something amazing.

What the new film gets right is the feel - the fun, rollicking adventure, the humour beats, all that stuff that made the OT a lot of fun to watch. And given the success of the TFA, it's hard to argue against their methods. I just wish that they had done all that, and presented a brand new storyline. It just wasn't the film I had hoped for.
 
I saw this with my son (9) a couple days ago. Overall it was great fun, and my lad really enjoyed it. Some good and bad though:

Good
It was great popcorn fun;
The bulk of the movie until the resistance turn up and Death Star III becomes the focus;
The new characters;
The improved humour and dialogue compared to the prequels;
The lack of crap aliens (e.g. Gungans, Ewoks);
Kylo Ren and Fin showing shades of grey in their characters;
BB8;
Chewie got his best film so far by a country mile

Bad
Another bloody death star, good grief - and a stupid one at that;
Hiding the all important info in a droid - what a novel idea;
Leia was a bit rubbish and looked completely uninterested -hopefully she wont be in much more;
The coincidences behind characters meeting up stretched even Star Wars credibility;
Destroying the Death Star was ludicrously easy;
Didn't the Republic win in Episode VI? What was the point of the first 3 movies if its all gone to hell anyway? Where were the Republic, why is the Resistance even needed, and if it is, why does it consist of about 16 small fighters and nothing else?
How the heck do these insane Dark Lords keep popping up out of nowhere? Its a 'Supreme Leader' this time, with a height complex;
How small is this Galaxy? It seems to be about 1000 kilometers square. If they wanted to find Luke I'm surprised they didn't look behind them;
Luke wouldn't wander off an leave everyone for any reason unless he'd had a complete character transplant;
Its suddenly possible to learn lightsaber fighting in 30 seconds, and Jedi power control with no tuition. This despite the prequels telling us Anakin would need lots of training to learn the art, and Luke needed to be taught by Yoda for ages on Dagaboh before he could do anything with the force either. And these were the strongest in the force of all time. But this lass is like a Jedi Master with no training at all. Horribly inconsistent.
 

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