Snowpiercer TV Series (TNT)

I don't know of Melanie would have killed her if it had not come down to a matter of self-preservation. She was willing to torture her, however, despite her adverse reaction to removing a finger. Her claim this week that she, not Wilford, built the train, explains her willingness to do whatever it takes to keeping the thing going.

I believe her. She's selfless. So, to me it's plausible that she did build it and Wilford was just a face for the business. Melanie was honest when she said that she wasn't willing to watch the boozing and whoring like there's no tomorrow.

Yes, I would be astonished if they execute Melanie. They need her more than the other two engineers.

Maybe it's end of times. It not like they can continue the series. So it's all doom and gloom in the finale.

Are they planning another season?

I don't know. Honestly. The series hasn't been as popular as you could have assumed, based on the movie popularity. I have watched it at least three times. Thing is there's three books. Graphic novels. And in the next one there's another train. And in the last one there is a base.
 
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Poor Layton. So over his head, not knowing what to do, how to go forward, when all they're stagnated in the positions. It is like a trench warfare.

Funny thing is how some people have a clear understanding, while others are completely clueless. On top of them is the Commander. The mighty face of Jackboots, ready to solve the problem by gassing the train.

What could go wrong?

I thought that they would understand that there is no overcrowding problem. Only a people problem. Frankly, the old school pyramid scheme doesn't work on train even if it's the last train rolling on the tracks.

It's funny that on top of that Commander is making Rosy the Queen, kind of harping back to the one detail in the movie that is so classic. Except the one in the movie was so ruthless. Almost as if there was no end to the power she was wielding, because it was all her house, and Mr Wilford's.

Layton feels like he should be the king, but he isn't. All of it is way too much for his detective brain. I guess it comes with his messiah complex. Not really wanting the thing hard enough to be able to do what's needed to be done. So, his save was Melanie and the power struggle at the top. Downfall, to find the people he needed to sacrifice.

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The single most intriguing detail in the whole train and it's time-travel. Theory, without completely having a proof is that by taking Kronos you can access previous lives. It would mean that reincarnation is real and the soul retains the memories.

Hypersleep effed up Strong Boy and he somehow accessed the previous reincarnation... or at least one of them.
 
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Holy smoke. I know I've been overly critical on this series and I haven't accepted turn of the events, but this series has continuation. Something that I speculated, just didn't knew it would actually come into fruition.

It is a wonderful series even if it's a slump in the middle and I'm glad it was a weekly series rather than one of crawl. This series needed the talk, although it never materialised. I am looking forward to the second season.

How is she alive?
 
Going into this double-episode finale, I was ambivalent about a second season. Coming out of the last scene, I'm looking forward to the continuation. Sure took its time getting interesting.
Great solution to the problematic first class passengers and jackboots: Cut 'em loose to chill out. Did they freeze, or did Mr. Wilford and the supply train pick them up?
How is she alive?
Must be one helluva heater and power supply in that suit. Looks like Melanie and her daughter will get a reunion, although the kid might be as angry as Melanie is grieved about the separation.
 
Cut 'em loose to chill out. Did they freeze, or did Mr. Wilford and the supply train pick them up?

They had like ten minutes to do the op before everyone freezes and the power was already out. So unless they did a magic trick, I don't think they survived. Not very likely. But I do have to admit that I thought about the same thing and was certain it was them behind the rear hatch.

Also when the W turned to M I thought Melanie, not Mr Wilford. So, who built the trains and where does the supply train gets its supplies?

Must be one helluva heater and power supply in that suit. Looks like Melanie and her daughter will get a reunion, although the kid might be as angry as Melanie is grieved about the separation.

When I wrote the question, I was thinking the daughter, not Melanie. How is it possible that she survived and who else is in that train? Is this series a new BSG?
 
Finally caught up with the series and finished it. I must admit stopped watching around episode 5 and thinking this was a dud. Went back to it and the last 2 episodes saved the whole series. Bring on S2.
 
In the finale of Snowpiercer’s first season, the passengers of the titular car were all shocked to discover that not only were they not the world’s last survivors of the world’s plunge into a permanent deadly winter, they also weren’t the only people speeding across the globe in a humongous train.

And, just as Snowpiercer’s passengers were coming to learn the truth about the Wilford corporation, the show took a left turn to reveal that the Mr. Wilford isn’t as MIA as Melanie led everyone to believe. During a panel discussion about Snowpiercer’s upcoming second season, actor Sean Bean, who plays Wilford, and the rest of the show’s cast sat down to tease out details of what’s to come, and Bean promised that Wilford’s second train and its passengers are going to drastically change the balance of power on both locomotives.

“He’s charming,” Bean said of his character. “He’s fun to be with. But the lengths he will go to in order to get what he wants are quite incredible.”
 
Season 2, exactly when promised!
Great start -- with the story picking up right where it ended in the first season finale. Looks like this round is going to be a lot more action-packed than the first one.
The supertrain was a little slow getting up to speed.
 
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It is kind of funny that they now say in the narrative that the other train is 40 cars long and the Snowpiercer 994 cars. Yet the smaller engine managed to stop the bigger one.

I get that Wilford might be a clever engineer, but it's all that mass that needs to be slowed down and made to stop. The interesting fact is that since the engine stopped, so did the perpetual engine. All while everything was freezing. But that's the thing, the wind chill will make everything colder.

Also when you think about it, since everything is freezing, so is the water that the train wheels had been melting when they were turning. If it's super cold outside, in those twelve minutes, the ice could have made the wheels stuck. That didn't turned out to be true. And another thing is that if Layton would have stuck to his guns, the both trains would have been in trouble and therefore an interesting situation would have certainly developed.

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Even though Layton didn't declare himself as the leader of the Snowpiercer, he somehow ended in that role and he declared the tail as a now border between the trains. What happened to all that attitude to give freedom to all passengers?

I didn't like that Layton chairmanned the Council meeting in the Nightcar. In the previous season he was a detective, a fugitive and a revolutionary. But at the end he gave it all the power back to people instead of declaring himself as their dictator.

The fact is that one of Layton's boys voiced it out loud, by claiming: "All this personal sh1t, it ain't making your democracy any easier to believe in!" And he is so right, because so much has changed, and yet, remained the same with Layton taking over Melanies role in the train.

Therefore Alex was right. Layton is in charge, want it or not.

Ruth went on and said, "You are working for all passengers," almost as if she wanted to move Layton to King's position. Is she a kingmaker?

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I was expecting Sean Penn in his Mr Wilford role to repeat Eddard Stark thing and chop Melanies head off for leaving them behind. But no, instead he gave her look and talk. While they (the Snowpiercer) was in the move, Big Alice was sitting in the shelter, getting outfitted.

That is the thing that many of us talked about in the last season. Why do the trainaction, when the old and tested method is to sit in a shelter? All in all it's like that the Chicago Terminal is still there and most probably stocked full of spares and other things that they could get on board.

Then again maybe that is last winters snow and we cannot get any of it back. Especially as Alex remarked that "they were out of morphine" and "the Hospitality is in their uniforms." For a daughter and as a woman she is really scorned.

"Take Melanie to brig," she said. Not "Take Mum to brig," almost as if mum had stopped being a thing. Maybe Mr Wilford managed to turn her love to hatred as it seems to be the case with all people in Big Alice.

Essentially the whole situation makes Mr Wilford a robber baron.

Thing is he think himself as a god who created everything in the world. Yet, personally he didn't nothing more singed the checks and enjoyed the life in luxury, while it was the engineers and the scientists who the majority of everything.

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I'm confused. In one hand Alex is playing on Mr Wilford side, on the other she is still feeling for her mum and she knew that Melanie's story was true. There was men who came to get the family but the grandparents refused to leave.

I get that everyone knows Melanie is manipulative and it comes naturally. Yet, despite being a prisoner she has awful big amount of friends in the Big Alice. People who worship her, but they fear Mr Wilford.

Whose side Alexander is at the end? Mum's or Wilford's or her own?
 
the other train is 40 cars long and the Snowpiercer 994 cars. Yet the smaller engine managed to stop the bigger one.
They don't call the supply train "Big Alice" for nothing. :) But seriously, the best BA should be able to do is slow Snowpiercer. Putting on the brakes or pulling in the opposite direction wouldn't last long, considering the relative mass you noted. BA would soon be more of a hefty caboose than an "anchor."
Therefore Alex was right. Layton is in charge, want it or not.
It didn't take him long to declare martial law.
Ruth went on and said, "You are working for all passengers," almost as if she wanted to move Layton to King's position. Is she a kingmaker?
Ruth looks like she's doing a political balancing act, praising Wilford while accommodating Layton's budding family.
I was expecting Sean Penn in his Mr Wilford role to repeat Eddard Stark thing
That's Bean, not Penn. Think of him as a set of names that should rhyme. :LOL:
Essentially the whole situation makes Mr Wilford a robber baron.

Thing is he think himself as a god who created everything in the world. Yet, personally he didn't nothing more singed the checks and enjoyed the life in luxury, while it was the engineers and the scientists who the majority of everything.
Without a doubt. That could be the most realistic aspect of the whole series.
 
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