Snowpiercer TV Series (TNT)
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I loved the Big Alice doctors. They gave me the only laugh I can remember since the series began.
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Exactly and there will be broken or at least worn out parts for doing the battle. Where are they going to get the spares? I know that shows my engineer side pretty strongly. It's just I cannot turn it off, just like I cannot turn off for being a writer.
I think they were needed. A pair of essentric intellects doing mad science and saving everyone.
Yeah, but she's her own woman. She worships Mr Wilford above everything else, but at the same time she cannot stop being a hen mother. And while she likes taking orders, she's perfectly okay doing them all on her own. It also makes me scared of what happens when the baby comes out?
Goddammit. Me and my dyslexia. Sometimes I feel it is getting better and then things happens and it's all back to same old thing.
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So I finally got around to watching this over the weekend and it was... okay, but not great.
I thought it was different enough from the movie to be interesting. Jennifer Connolly and Alison Wright were both excellent as hospitality, as was Mickey Sumner. The train and environment looked great, although somewhat let down by the effects on occasion. I also enjoyed that they introduced Layton as a homicide detective and thought the murder was a good way to get us hooked in.
A couple of things just didn't add up for me, though.
Maybe I missed something, but how did Layton discover that Wilford wasn't on the train? It seemed to be a bit of a leap.
Did I hear correctly that there were only 3000 survivors on the train? At 1001 carriages long, that's only 3 per car. (It also seems strange that there are only two engines on a track that circumnavigates the globe.
I didn't get the need for the trolley system on the bottom of the train as that is a lot of potential storage space. Still, maybe there wasn't enough time to fully stock the train, or perhaps it was a carry over from when the train was a luxury.
Enjoyable and worth watching, I'll wait until I can watch the second series in it's entirety.
I thought it was different enough from the movie to be interesting. Jennifer Connolly and Alison Wright were both excellent as hospitality, as was Mickey Sumner. The train and environment looked great, although somewhat let down by the effects on occasion. I also enjoyed that they introduced Layton as a homicide detective and thought the murder was a good way to get us hooked in.
A couple of things just didn't add up for me, though.
Maybe I missed something, but how did Layton discover that Wilford wasn't on the train? It seemed to be a bit of a leap.
Did I hear correctly that there were only 3000 survivors on the train? At 1001 carriages long, that's only 3 per car. (It also seems strange that there are only two engines on a track that circumnavigates the globe.
I didn't get the need for the trolley system on the bottom of the train as that is a lot of potential storage space. Still, maybe there wasn't enough time to fully stock the train, or perhaps it was a carry over from when the train was a luxury.
Enjoyable and worth watching, I'll wait until I can watch the second series in it's entirety.
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No. We don't know the number.
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There is a quote from Melanie when she asks what Layton sees in Snowpiercer. He answers "I see a fortress to class". She replies "I see 3000 souls surviving".
That aside, something that really made me laugh was the "W" sign they'd mime on their chest. I suppose Wakanda got the decent one.
That aside, something that really made me laugh was the "W" sign they'd mime on their chest. I suppose Wakanda got the decent one.
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Started watching this the other day. Waiting for the next episode
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I really doubt it's three thousand, maybe five. But you have to bear in mind that a lot of that space is occupied by the equipment or something else. And at the bottom of the whole car is a tunnel. So, all that space we are thinking, it's really disappears somewhere.
The number is definitely under ten thousand, that is for sure. What it really is we don't know for certain and Melanie has always been speculative. It is kind of hard to get a straight answer out of her. It's just when I'm thinking the number we also have to bear in mind that the Tailies rushed the train and there's unknown number of them, but all the other people, who makes third and second class. The first class is definitely under a hundred, maybe even under fifty.
Layton however sees the train as a micro-society with its problems. It's more like a pyramid with the bottom being Tailies and top the Engineers in the Eternal Engine. And then there's Mr Wilford, who is batting in his very own class. Don't know what it is, yet.
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What would that be in this context?
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I'd imagine that Wilford see's himself as the elite, (and i think Ruth would see it too). Nothing to base that on, but as Melanie designed the train and Wilford took all the credit, i would imagine that he'd have a fair ego on him.
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That should be under spoiler tags because it's revealing finer details.
I'd say that neither of them are in power. Mr Wilford think he is, but in reality he is as much a prisoner as the rest of them. And while he might be giving orders, it's just the people who execute them don't always follow them down to the letter.
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It is delightful to see that the audience is returning and there are more people enjoying this series than in the last time. But we do admit that in the first series everything slumped in the the middle and towards the end things got really excited through action and drama, and it kind of feels that we are still on that same track (no pun intended.)
I am as confused as Melanie's daughter. The snow sample turned out to be water. What did you expect, gold? Another thing is that they say it's too cold to snow. I don't get it. How can it be too cold to snow? The atmosphere is still there and it is still carrying water moisture up to the clouds, which then returns back as snow.
If the atmosphere would be made from different composite, like for example what we've seen in Europa or Pluto it would still snow, but the substance would be made from different material. Another thing is that the planet still has an equator and it will receive most of the sunshine.
I get that a lot of the heat is radiated back through the white blanket, but in the equator thing should be warmer than in other regions. Yet nobody talks about it.
Melanie thought that the snow was made from the chemicals they put in the clouds, and it is somehow decomposing.
I am kind of bothered that Layton's word goes awful long way and it gets things done, even though allegdely he gave it all back to the people. He literally walked into the Breakman's car and decided that it's time to make Tilly a train detective.
That is awful lot of power in the hands of one man. But I loved that by his words they butchered a chicken and made hotwings to lose Kevin's tongue on the secrets of Big Alice. I have never seen anyone so keen on putting their choppers on a piece of a chicken.
What is strange is that he doesn't look malnourished, nor had he lost his faculties because of the hungry. Yet, the simple chicken seemed working real well. How can it be that simple luxuries makes life better? Also, I'd like to point out that in the title shot, the girl is skinning a fat rabbit.
If they're so hungry how can they feed rabbits and even their own people to a state where they show a little tummy?
Mr Wilford rightfully called Layton a king. Yet, you look at him and he's one as well even though I'd like to call him a robber baron.
Well he certainly does work like one, with one second being extraordinary accommodating, while in the reality he is ready to show some explosive rage. If Kevin had not done it, he certainly would have made sure that it was going to happen. So can you imagine what happened when Melanie took off? How many people died in his hands?
Back in the day when he had his fortune to finance the trains negotiations were everyday activity. So it was no surprise that he jumped on first one to talk about the Climate Change. Yet, you have to bear in mind that all that has happened since they connected the trains together has been showing signs of criminality and not diplomacy, even if Melanie was exchanged.
Mr Wilford knows very well on how to play on both sides, while in the background it's the darker side that seems to be dominating every action. Revenge is never a good thing and if you're doing it, you better dig two graves.
Maybe he isn't after the revenge, but in the heart he's another psycho and all that is happening is just play to make him the King of the Hill. The dinner in the first class was certainly an intelligence gathering operation. In his shoes I'd have done, while thinking the whole Snowpiercer as an enemy or a price to grab.
All those years he was chasing the Eternal Engine he must have planned all sorts of things. So, in the context, all while he was walking through the train he was counting the stock. Melanie's Climate Change announcement seemed to put another gog in the wheels of the invasion project.
I'm pretty sure he wants the Snowpiercer for himself and whoever is still on board of the Big Alice. Everyone else, even his loyalists can go to hell.
I am as confused as Melanie's daughter. The snow sample turned out to be water. What did you expect, gold? Another thing is that they say it's too cold to snow. I don't get it. How can it be too cold to snow? The atmosphere is still there and it is still carrying water moisture up to the clouds, which then returns back as snow.
If the atmosphere would be made from different composite, like for example what we've seen in Europa or Pluto it would still snow, but the substance would be made from different material. Another thing is that the planet still has an equator and it will receive most of the sunshine.
I get that a lot of the heat is radiated back through the white blanket, but in the equator thing should be warmer than in other regions. Yet nobody talks about it.
Melanie thought that the snow was made from the chemicals they put in the clouds, and it is somehow decomposing.
I am kind of bothered that Layton's word goes awful long way and it gets things done, even though allegdely he gave it all back to the people. He literally walked into the Breakman's car and decided that it's time to make Tilly a train detective.
That is awful lot of power in the hands of one man. But I loved that by his words they butchered a chicken and made hotwings to lose Kevin's tongue on the secrets of Big Alice. I have never seen anyone so keen on putting their choppers on a piece of a chicken.
What is strange is that he doesn't look malnourished, nor had he lost his faculties because of the hungry. Yet, the simple chicken seemed working real well. How can it be that simple luxuries makes life better? Also, I'd like to point out that in the title shot, the girl is skinning a fat rabbit.
If they're so hungry how can they feed rabbits and even their own people to a state where they show a little tummy?
Mr Wilford rightfully called Layton a king. Yet, you look at him and he's one as well even though I'd like to call him a robber baron.
Well he certainly does work like one, with one second being extraordinary accommodating, while in the reality he is ready to show some explosive rage. If Kevin had not done it, he certainly would have made sure that it was going to happen. So can you imagine what happened when Melanie took off? How many people died in his hands?
Back in the day when he had his fortune to finance the trains negotiations were everyday activity. So it was no surprise that he jumped on first one to talk about the Climate Change. Yet, you have to bear in mind that all that has happened since they connected the trains together has been showing signs of criminality and not diplomacy, even if Melanie was exchanged.
Mr Wilford knows very well on how to play on both sides, while in the background it's the darker side that seems to be dominating every action. Revenge is never a good thing and if you're doing it, you better dig two graves.
Maybe he isn't after the revenge, but in the heart he's another psycho and all that is happening is just play to make him the King of the Hill. The dinner in the first class was certainly an intelligence gathering operation. In his shoes I'd have done, while thinking the whole Snowpiercer as an enemy or a price to grab.
All those years he was chasing the Eternal Engine he must have planned all sorts of things. So, in the context, all while he was walking through the train he was counting the stock. Melanie's Climate Change announcement seemed to put another gog in the wheels of the invasion project.
I'm pretty sure he wants the Snowpiercer for himself and whoever is still on board of the Big Alice. Everyone else, even his loyalists can go to hell.
The most disturbing scene this round for me was Kevin's demise. Forcing him to slash his own wrists and bleed out while sharing a bath with his psychotic boss made me wonder just what kind of bizarre relationship they had.
Giving away the fact that Wilford and his minions are hungry was Kevin's big betrayal? Wilford revealed that situation when his presented his grocery demands at the first border meeting.
Giving away the fact that Wilford and his minions are hungry was Kevin's big betrayal? Wilford revealed that situation when his presented his grocery demands at the first border meeting.
At the temperatures they've been citing, all or most of the atmospheric moisture must be locked up as ice and snow. Precipitation would be rare enough for them to hope it might mean a warmup, which seemed to be confirmed by the weather balloon temperature readings.
Wilford is just taunting Layton by continuing to call him a title he denied. Standard bullying behavior.
The look on Wilford's face reflected his feelings about a warming earth and the possibility of re-civilization. Beyond regaining control, he doesn't want his rolling kingdom to end. Neither do Ruth, LJ or the rest of his blind worshippers.
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No. I wouldn't say that. Thing is everyone thought and everyone saw individuals that weren't all skin and bones. Actually they were well fed and had decent clothing. So, I thought when they showed the list that they were checking what stock they could get access to and what had gone short.
Well, yeah, of course. Making him to come back, tell his tale, make him bath and then give him a choice he couldn't refuse. All cold blooded and somewhat psychotic. But we didn't see Mr Wilford face showing pleasure. We can only assume that it's his preferred method as only rare few can change their method. If not it must be something bloody as Melanie's daughter was doing that thing as well. Could he have developed cannibalistic trades?
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Man I laughed out loud so much when Mr Wilford did the announcement instead of Layton. I loved that he splashed a bit of whisky on rock and then sparked a spliff as if he is a novahot radio DJ.
Not everyone liked it and nobody expected it. It was like a surprise and another move to take over the train from Melanie and Layton's posse. Maybe we'll get to see a great train robbery as well soon, whenever Mr Wilford decides to release his freakish bodyguards.
One thing I was right about is that he is a Robber Baron. He doesn't even share the food with his own people, because he's manipulating the whole lot and the food seems to be one of the biggest currencies on board the train.
What a pompous prick. I love that he's acted so well that I believe in him and therefore the hate of what he's doing is so much more real. The real interesting bit is that Big Alice loaded with all sorts of supplies to keep the train running. And just like it is with every quartermaster, the answer is always no. Nothing can be spared for Melanie's mission or for the Snowpiercer even though they are all one big train.
If I think in his shoes then the original plan of freezing the people would have netted a huge number of spares to Big Alice. Plus all the other goodies. So in that sense I'm putting Mr Wilford on the kill-list as he's the biggest threat to survival at the moment.
Why is that Layton don't see the Wilford symbol behind three fingers? It's like he doesn't get the treat at all or even know the extend of Wilford syndicate on board of his train. In the essence Mr Wilford has his own army doing the exact infiltration that I'd wished to see from Layton in the first time.
Top places, special commands, more special rules and in the key places to cause maximum damage. Almost as if the Emperor's Order 66 had been Wilford's inspiration. So what if Wilford would make it and kill enough of Snowpiercer's people to make takeover permanent?
From apocalyptic point-of-view that is perfect, but from the survival one it's the opposite. They are never going to make it to another century on board of the train. Something has to change or we are watching the last ride of humanity.
Not that it almost came to be with the ride over the Rockies. Train driving isn't like car driving. It is a different skill, but it's not that much of science as they received in the drama. As a horror writer I certainly felt the tension and I was anxious to shout my lungs out on Mr Wilford to back off.
If the theory of Wilford being psycho he is certainly getting his kicks off from driving the people to the edge. Layton needs to see that but it's difficult for him because he's on the opposite end of being close to him. Not that he didn't deliver it in the line, when he announced Mr Wilford as a megalomanic. It was almost as if he was reading a synopsis instead of doing the connections from the observations.
Does Layton believe in it, because to my eyes he doesn't act as if he do?
Not everyone liked it and nobody expected it. It was like a surprise and another move to take over the train from Melanie and Layton's posse. Maybe we'll get to see a great train robbery as well soon, whenever Mr Wilford decides to release his freakish bodyguards.
One thing I was right about is that he is a Robber Baron. He doesn't even share the food with his own people, because he's manipulating the whole lot and the food seems to be one of the biggest currencies on board the train.
What a pompous prick. I love that he's acted so well that I believe in him and therefore the hate of what he's doing is so much more real. The real interesting bit is that Big Alice loaded with all sorts of supplies to keep the train running. And just like it is with every quartermaster, the answer is always no. Nothing can be spared for Melanie's mission or for the Snowpiercer even though they are all one big train.
If I think in his shoes then the original plan of freezing the people would have netted a huge number of spares to Big Alice. Plus all the other goodies. So in that sense I'm putting Mr Wilford on the kill-list as he's the biggest threat to survival at the moment.
Why is that Layton don't see the Wilford symbol behind three fingers? It's like he doesn't get the treat at all or even know the extend of Wilford syndicate on board of his train. In the essence Mr Wilford has his own army doing the exact infiltration that I'd wished to see from Layton in the first time.
Top places, special commands, more special rules and in the key places to cause maximum damage. Almost as if the Emperor's Order 66 had been Wilford's inspiration. So what if Wilford would make it and kill enough of Snowpiercer's people to make takeover permanent?
From apocalyptic point-of-view that is perfect, but from the survival one it's the opposite. They are never going to make it to another century on board of the train. Something has to change or we are watching the last ride of humanity.
Not that it almost came to be with the ride over the Rockies. Train driving isn't like car driving. It is a different skill, but it's not that much of science as they received in the drama. As a horror writer I certainly felt the tension and I was anxious to shout my lungs out on Mr Wilford to back off.
If the theory of Wilford being psycho he is certainly getting his kicks off from driving the people to the edge. Layton needs to see that but it's difficult for him because he's on the opposite end of being close to him. Not that he didn't deliver it in the line, when he announced Mr Wilford as a megalomanic. It was almost as if he was reading a synopsis instead of doing the connections from the observations.
Does Layton believe in it, because to my eyes he doesn't act as if he do?
Not totally unexpected, but it was good to see Melanie and Alex reconnect. I guess Mom going on a suicide mission can move even the most bitter of offspring to reconciliation.
The relationship Alex has with Wilford is curious. He seems to dominate her to the point of controlling her every emotion, yet she has the power to dismiss "Dubs" when she wants a few extra moments alone with her mother.
I suspect that the Big Alice doctors' ability to heal Melanie's frostbitten shoulder with their miracle ointment will play a role in restoring Josie's horribly disfigured face.
The relationship Alex has with Wilford is curious. He seems to dominate her to the point of controlling her every emotion, yet she has the power to dismiss "Dubs" when she wants a few extra moments alone with her mother.
I suspect that the Big Alice doctors' ability to heal Melanie's frostbitten shoulder with their miracle ointment will play a role in restoring Josie's horribly disfigured face.
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You could see already in the last episode that she was warming towards mum, but it's that something that Mr Wilford is holding over her that makes her do things. In this way, we at least know that she has a heart.
It's just we have seen people on board with getting whacked for having a soft moment. Alex certainly had one when she told mum about the grandparents. Why is that nobody is asking Mr Wilford how they got out from the depot and what it took to make it happen?
Scarred, not disfigured. Will they provide a treatment? Wilford hasn't said yes and if he learns the connection between her and our fearless leader then that is bad. He is most certainly going to hold over Layton in the negotiations. So, is it worth it when the beauty is not on the looks but in the person? Very good looking people can be total [redacted].
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Oh my God, Mr Wilford has a secret lover on board the train! Everything is as if it was planned this way. Him chasing his investment around the world and finally ending with it and all the things he collected along the way.
I get that he had love and it should be fine, but the thing Mr Wilford is not fine. He wants to end his days on board the train. Almost like some chaotic, evil genius. Except I have not seen evidence of him being a genius, just evil.
I kind of feeling that Layton shouldn't be dining in the first class for the breakfast. I get that he is the king of the Snowpiercer, want it or not. What I don't get is why the first class breakfast in scruffies?
Don't they have more cloths for him? Is the clothing industry dead in the train or is just that everyone has one pair and that's it?
I assume that the first class has a barber service, but we never see that either, even if Layton could do with a meeting with the razor. At least to give some shape to his bush, because at the moment it looks as if a hobo is leading the train against a tyrant living in riches.
What I like is that he is still acting on behalf of the train, as he thought he should get the miracle ointment to save the frostbite victims, but ultimately it was about saving his lover. But at what cost?
A dinner in the Nightcar? For the miracle Mr Wilford isn't asking much, which is kind of what I fear, because when you give a lot and the return is so tiny, you're likely to come back and ask again. And again and so forth.
Especially as Audrie was Mr Wilford "exclusive escort" for years.
Layton made the connection between the unique and too low ask. But he didn't know what to do about it, or even that if the 46 figure is real for the Big Alice, then he should have invited all of them to see the faces of his enemies. Didn't happen.
Audrey still played her part like a true professional. Inside me I really hope that Layton makes the connection with Audrey being the true price of all this endeavour. That woman is Mr Wilford's Achilles heel.
With her he's like a puppy with big eyes and nothing but desire. Maybe the strangest thing is for Audrey seeing his dreams, the secret of Wilford MO, the razor and the bathtub.
Can someone tell me what the feeding was about, please?
Somehow Till has changed and at the same time out of all character she has shown most development. Everyone else has stayed pretty much the same. At the same time we feel through her the most deepest, darkest things.
It is twisting her, the guilt and the duty. At the end I expect her turn out to be a monster, expect that she's fighting for the right side and not for the pleasure.
I get that he had love and it should be fine, but the thing Mr Wilford is not fine. He wants to end his days on board the train. Almost like some chaotic, evil genius. Except I have not seen evidence of him being a genius, just evil.
I kind of feeling that Layton shouldn't be dining in the first class for the breakfast. I get that he is the king of the Snowpiercer, want it or not. What I don't get is why the first class breakfast in scruffies?
Don't they have more cloths for him? Is the clothing industry dead in the train or is just that everyone has one pair and that's it?
I assume that the first class has a barber service, but we never see that either, even if Layton could do with a meeting with the razor. At least to give some shape to his bush, because at the moment it looks as if a hobo is leading the train against a tyrant living in riches.
What I like is that he is still acting on behalf of the train, as he thought he should get the miracle ointment to save the frostbite victims, but ultimately it was about saving his lover. But at what cost?
A dinner in the Nightcar? For the miracle Mr Wilford isn't asking much, which is kind of what I fear, because when you give a lot and the return is so tiny, you're likely to come back and ask again. And again and so forth.
Especially as Audrie was Mr Wilford "exclusive escort" for years.
Layton made the connection between the unique and too low ask. But he didn't know what to do about it, or even that if the 46 figure is real for the Big Alice, then he should have invited all of them to see the faces of his enemies. Didn't happen.
Audrey still played her part like a true professional. Inside me I really hope that Layton makes the connection with Audrey being the true price of all this endeavour. That woman is Mr Wilford's Achilles heel.
With her he's like a puppy with big eyes and nothing but desire. Maybe the strangest thing is for Audrey seeing his dreams, the secret of Wilford MO, the razor and the bathtub.
Can someone tell me what the feeding was about, please?
Somehow Till has changed and at the same time out of all character she has shown most development. Everyone else has stayed pretty much the same. At the same time we feel through her the most deepest, darkest things.
It is twisting her, the guilt and the duty. At the end I expect her turn out to be a monster, expect that she's fighting for the right side and not for the pleasure.
How is it that this episode focused on the freaky-deaky Mr. Wilford and not on Melanie's quest to save Humanity?
Melanie is dumped out of the train to embark on a "suicide mission," then nothing until they get a ping from the weather balloon confirming her survival? Seems as though they missed a major human-triumphing-over-impossible-odds action sequence. If they plan to flash back to that story next week, it won't be nearly as suspenseful.
I think someone should warn Alex that she should be more than pretend enemies with LJ.
Melanie is dumped out of the train to embark on a "suicide mission," then nothing until they get a ping from the weather balloon confirming her survival? Seems as though they missed a major human-triumphing-over-impossible-odds action sequence. If they plan to flash back to that story next week, it won't be nearly as suspenseful.
I think someone should warn Alex that she should be more than pretend enemies with LJ.
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