Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (2016)

Not a perfect film by any means but that was far better than The Force Awakens. There were a couple of characters that particularly stood out
Chirrut and Baze
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It was fantastic to see Vader doing what Vader does best. Fear and intimidation. Makes me almost forget the whinging mess that was Christian Hayden.
 
expected to have a fun time but was surprised by quite how good (and dark) it tuned out to be

liked seeing Grand Moff Tarkin. Totally loved K-2SO. Donnie Yen was great too.
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the above aside there were some lovely touches - highly recommended
 
Well the second half in particular had a lot of action. But I was only excited in parts. I liked the blind character and his sidekick.

My wife found it boring, due to the story, and too childish. But she gets bored easily :D

There were a couple of reasons why I thought the writers should be ashamed of their lack of imagination.
Ok I was already disappointed about the story having the death Star yet AGAIN. Why couldn't they have some other plot. But anyway I could live with this one last time. But to YET AGAIN have a child left in a quiet location in a remote world, and then go looking for their father who has to grapple with dark thoughts/serving the empire. My word. The writers seem to be obsessed with Father-child or master-student stories. We had Force Awakens living on nostalgia and this is more of the same. Particularly with the speeches to rebels and the talk of hope.
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Not a terrible film, quite entertaining, but many folks seem very forgiving of the plots of the last two films. I hope another standalone story would deviate further from the central plots.
 
Can't wait for Tuesday. Planning a second trip as well :)
 
Saw it yesterday, loved it. Think it's much better than The Force Awakens. Loved the preturning cameos of characters from A New Hope, did you see them all? Did I?
 
When a highlight is cameos of old characters (as with last year) it shows how these new films are living on nostalgia. Really needs a unique storyline in any future standalone ventures. This one was really an episode 4 of 10. With yet another father - abandoned child plot. Though everyone loves a good battle, which it certainly has.
Still there is so much potential in Star Wars if embraced, with a galaxy of bizarre creatures and characters to make stories of. It depends if they want new fans.
 
Okay, had some time to think about it. Still love it. Which is the opposite of my experience with The Force Awakens - the more I thought about that one, the more problems I had with it, and the less I found myself liking it.

Might go spoiler tags from here on out:

Yes, Judderman, this is almost pure nostalgia. I can't deny that. All the things I loved about it were all the things I loved about the original trilogy. X-wings! Y-wings! AT-STs! AT-ATs! Space battles! Ground battles! Interesting aliens! Different worlds! But while TFA was just an unashamed rehash of A New Hope, I thought this was something different - this was its own film that happened to inhabit the same universe. Granted, it still tied heavily into ANH, but at least there wasn't a Skywalker in sight! (Alright, one. But only briefly.)

Okay, so some tropes got re-hashed. But I thought the father-daughter dynamic served the story well here. And it added in a nice layer to the existing mythos and neatly papered over something of a plot-hole. Why was there such an obvious, undiscovered flaw in this amazing technological marvel that is the Death Star? Now we know.

I also appreciated the tone of this film. It dealt a lot more with the gray areas that the previous films tended to shy away from. The Empire Strikes Back is often cited as the darkest of the films, but even so it still knows who is a good guy and who is a bad guy (Lando is about the only character who wavers between these extremes, and even then he's more roguish than evil). Rogue One, on the other hand, introduces us to Cassian by showing him coldly shoot an informant. This is a guy who's done - and is willing to do - some questionable things for his beliefs. Jyn is similarly conflicted. Unlike Luke and Rey, it takes some convincing for her to fully commit to the cause; for the first half of the film, she's pretty much just out for herself. I thought they both did wonderful jobs with their characters.

The supporting characters were all strong and showed a good amount of depth for such. K2 was the main scene stealer, but he only just beat out Chirrut. Krennic was an adequate foe - maybe not as menacing as I'd hoped he'd prove, but he still embodied that imperious Imperialness perfectly. Vader's involvement was measured and benefited from being so. Tarkin... well, more on Tarkin in a moment. I enjoyed the time spent with the Alliance council as well, and it was particularly nice seeing Bail Organa involved. Again, it gave a little more depth to things we already knew, without hitting us over the head in the way TFA was often guilty of.

I thought the overall structure and the last act in particular were really well-handled, given the constraints inherent in the story - we know this mission succeeds, so there's not a lot of tension in that regard, but they crafted a story that had a lot of tension despite this. They made us (me, at least) care about the characters, and then threw them into what seemed like an unwinnable situation, and had them win the day in a believably, if costly, fashion.

The action scenes were brilliant - so much better than TFA. Again and again, I find myself wishing that they'd given that movie to Gareth Edwards to shoot. For mine the final assault on Scarif rivals the Battle of Endor in scope and execution as the best of series to date. I loved how they cut in Red and Gold Leader footage from ANH - as I was watching I thought that they had just done an amazing job of re-casting, and didn't discover the truth until afterwards. I also thought it did a nice job of explaining why the Rebel defense of Yavin was a little thin on in ANH - most of the fleet had just recently been decimated.

My one complaint with the film has to be Tarkin. The CG was good, but not convincing enough for such a prominent role. I just found myself distracted by that every time he appeared. And I feel like it could so easily have been avoided. The first couple of times he appears, have it be via hologram. The next time, have him keep his back to Krennic and let us (and Krennic, as an insult) only see his face only as a reflection on the glass of the viewport. Then reveal him - still briefly - as he finally takes command of the Death Star. The brief shot of Leia worked so much better, because it was brief.

Overall, that's a minor quibble. I had a great time. Was it a necessary film? Probably not, but what film is? Will it get new fans in? Maybe not, but wasn't that the idea behind TFA? Did it break new ground? Yeah, a little. It was a Star Wars film that didn't shoehorn in Skywalkers, Solos, or unlikely relatives of Skywalkers and Solos. It was a Star Wars film that was about war and the dirty, disagreeable things that people rebelling against an oppressor might need to do. It was a Star Wars film that felt so familiar, but that did it's own thing.

Ddidn't mean to go on for so long. Obviously had a lot of thoughts about this!
 
So what everyone is saying is that George Lucas didn't write this one?
 
My one complaint with the film has to be Tarkin. The CG was good, but not convincing enough for such a prominent role. I just found myself distracted by that every time he appeared. And I feel like it could so easily have been avoided. The first couple of times he appears, have it be via hologram. The next time, have him keep his back to Krennic and let us (and Krennic, as an insult) only see his face only as a reflection on the glass of the viewport. Then reveal him - still briefly - as he finally takes command of the Death Star. The brief shot of Leia worked so much better, because it was brief.

funny thing is my complain was the exact opposite WRT this
in other words I found Leia really disappointing and GM Tarkin to be quite impressive (though to be fair I though GMT was a really good lookylikey until I saw Leia then realised it was CGI)
 
Saw it yesterday. Loved it. Totally awesome.

Just one small thing that I really didn't like...
Tarkin. He was on screen enough that my eyes sadly weren't fooled by the CGI. There was something off - possibly with the dimensions - so he just didn't quite look real and it was incredibly distracting every time he was on screen. The worst part is they could have found a way around it - his first appearance, for example, could have been accomplished with his back to the project leader and just a hazy facial reflection in the window in front of him. On TV it might not be so noticeable, but on the big screen... not cool.
In contrast, I didn't think Leia was so bad - she was only on screen briefly so it didn't massively affect my viewing experience.

Overall, a great film and a worthy addition to the Star Wars Universe. And definitely one best viewed on the big screen:)
 
So what everyone is saying is that George Lucas didn't write this one?

Which leads into what I was going to say regarding the nostalgia and rehashed plots (TFA).

I don't think we're going to see much of a departure from the Star Wars template in the near future, at least until Eps 7,8,9 are out of the way. Disney has a $4Billion investment to protect. Once they've got their money back - by producing exactly what people expect when they think 'Star Wars' - then I think they'll move into more adventurous endeavours. We've already seen this with their ownership of Marvel, and now we're getting movies like Dr Strange, GOTG, Black Panther - movies that we probably never would have made without the success (money) of earlier, safer Marvel movies.

As for nostalgia, I don't know how they make a Star Wars movie without a good dose of it. As soon as you sit down you see... A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away... Unless you avoid the characters, settings, atmosphere, themes - and then you've got the prequels!

I mean, that final scene of Vader's! Without the nostalgia of the original trilogy, it's just a bad guy with asthma waving his light-thingy around.
 
As for nostalgia, I don't know how they make a Star Wars movie without a good dose of it.

Star Wars (the first one) was, from the very start, a deliberate exercise in nostalgia. It was an homage (much as the Indiana Jones Movies were) to all the Republic serials of the 30s and 40s with a great dollop of, already outdated, E E 'Doc' Smith Galactic Empire Space Opera tossed in for good measure.

The nostalgia is now second hand.
 
The nostalgia is now second hand.

Intellectually yes, but I don't know that you can experience 'second hand' nostalgia. For me, the sense of nostalgia relates to the original trilogy (and I suspect the same for most people who liked the movie). That those original movies also spoke to influences that came before them, has no impact on my enjoyment of this movie.

Nostalgia has to be one of the biggest reasons for making these movies in the first place. Why spend the money on the franchise if not to make movies that transport the viewer back into that world? And why does the public flock to see a movie which they know directly ties into the original movie, and they know (from the trailer) has appearances by original characters? I have to think that nostalgia is the main reason people want to see new Star Wars movies.

With yet another father - abandoned child plot.

I was a bit surprised by this, especially so soon after TFA - and with the question of Rey's parentage still unresolved. But as it went on, I decided it was an alternate Anakin story. The Empire wanted Galen Erso for his power/skills, betrayed him, killed his family, left his daughter for dead, and they got what they wanted, but then he ate them from the inside, so to speak. That they were never able to break him the way they did with Anakin.

Anyway, just my 2c. It's not a perfect movie from a technical standpoint, but it nailed me in the feels. o_O
 
Saw Rogue One at the weekend and really enjoyed it. I found it a bit muddled in the first act, but the action ramped up in the last hour. It's not perfect by any means, but there's an awful lot to like, with some fun new characters and memorable scenes.
 
this is definitely a movie for fans of the original film; a brave move in some respects, but then again its such a popular franchise that its not that much of a gamble. Much better than Force Awakens, and a film that almost demands to be watched again.
Agree about Tarkin, certainly a case of more is less. Also wasn't that impressed with Vader at first, but his final scene will go down as one of the great moments in film history imho.
 
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this is definitely a movie for fans of the original film; a brave move in some respects, but then again its such a popular franchise that its not that much of a gamble. Much better than Force Awakens, and a film that almost demands to be watched again.

Yep. I think this will be the first movie I've seen for a second time at the cinemas since I was a frivolous teenager!

Also wasn't that impressed with Vader at first, but his final scene will go down as one of the great moments in film history imho.

That was surprisingly tense! Even though I knew how it turned out, I wanted to shout at the screen for him to just pass the card through the gap!
 
Tuesday's here, and the late show and my son beckon. I'm pumped to see the movie. Hope that's not a bad sign!
 
I've been now. I guess we still need spoilers??

I much preferred this to The Force Awakens, and that surprised me as I wasn't expecting much from this. I found it to be an old-fashioned "war film" - a kind of Alistair McLean thriller - which Star Wars hasn't done before. My concerns about the plot were muted a little...
It wasn't only a snatch mission to steal "paper" plans. The first half was all about the "architect" of the plans who had left a backdoor to destroy it (which makes more sense than it being accidentally designed with such a large flaw.) The second half involved downloading and transmitting the file while providing cover for them to do that. The shield wall made sense. Only backing up all of the Empire's file library in a single location does not.

The fight and battle scenes are excellent and it is worth going if you like that and just forget about the plot completely.

Like Gonk, I found Tarken disconcerting. His eyes were wrong and his movement was jerky. I thought maybe that he had been subject to Vader's force grip a little too much. Leia was done better. The appearance of R2D2 and C3PO should really have just been cut out as it was pointless.

I wondered what they would do with the new characters introduced. The easiest solution was to
kill them all off

And when I said we already know the ending, I didn't expect it literally to segue right into the beginning of the original film.
 

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