Why Babylon 5 is awesome

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A nice short video where some of the key praises for Babylon 5 are given:

However, something I've never seen mentioned is how socially correct it is. Even though it was produced in the early 90's, diversity is treated as normative. It doesn't matter whether we're talking about gender, sexuality, or racial issue, Babylon 5 almost always makes the most politically correct decision.

A few illustrations for that:

Race: although the main cast (including aliens) are in majority white actors, key secondary characters are often non-white. Meanwhile, bad guys are only ever played by white males, thus avoiding interpretations of racial commentary.

Sexuality: sexual diversity is treated as normative. There's a key lesbian relationship in the series, but it's never portrayed for titillation - in fact, we never see the charcters kiss, but we do see their emotionalc closeness. Later on, two of the male cast pretend they are a married couple to get through a blockade - because gay marriage is not seen as an issue in the future.

Gender: women play key military roles at every level of command, and are never objectified, nor are they ever treated as in need of protection. Key female staff have very real development arcs that avoid common stereotypes for women and instead are focused only on them being people.

It's quite remarkable just how socially correct it manages to be, yet it never does so a the expense of the story or characters. Like any great story where equality is treated as normative, the viewer will never notice unless they are specifically looking out for it.
 
JMS has variously complained about Warner's complete lack of interest in syndicating B5. It really should be up there on Netflix or Amazon Video if nothing else.

Im very disappointed in Warner Brother for this.:mad:
 
Warner Brothers did squander the opportunity to make an awesome franchise, but that was a long time ago.

Politics aside, B5 was awesome for a lot more pedestrian reasons.

I loved the design of the spaceships. Yes, we had seen biological ships before in things like Star Trek's Tin Man, but we had never seen designs like these. The Whitestar remains one of my favourite designs ever and is still beautiful today.

The Shadows. What a baddie they were. Never have I seen anything quite as powerful or scary as them as a protagonist

The story remains unbeatable even today. A five year arc so tight and well scripted with back doors to allow characters to leave. Have we ever really had anything as complex as this before or since B5? I would argue that we haven't.

A lot of people moan about the effects, but they were quite beautiful in my opinion. Okay, i confess to being a little biased.

All 110 episodes and 4 TV movies produced on a budget of $60 million. That is an amazing feat.

I could go on.

B5 remains my favourite Sci fi experience to this day and I miss it greatly.
 
The Shadows were great baddies no question . But the scariest enemy that B5 even came up with were the aliens in the telefilm Babylon 5 Thirdspace. They were like something out H. P .lovecraft universe. (y)
 
I really must try harder getting to love this show!

Try as I might I have never really got past the 1st season on several aborted attempts over the years. I realise ST:NG had a pretty ropey start, and didn't really find its feet until S3 and the Borg. But I stuck with that show because of its legacy. And I'm glad I did stick with it to the bitter<sweet> end.

However, I really can't put a finger on why I can't find the motivation to hang on in there with B5 past S1? The same quandary applied to DS9: another show that I couldn't get into past S1.

But now that I will be having a little more time on my hands in the near future, I may just give B5 another go, even if it's just "background noise" to other domestic activities, I will try my best to get to S2 and beyond!

Watch this space :)
 
I have never really got past the 1st season

I tried watching a couple of episodes from Season 1 when it aired, but they just didn't grab me. Later one I was persuaded to try again while Season 3 was showing - and that hooked me. So I went back to rewatch. It helps to know something of what's coming. :)

I've previously posted about the essential episodes to watch in Season 1: Rewatching Babylon 5: Essential Season 1 episodes

However, if your patience levels are limited, just start with Season 2 - you'll miss some good stuff, but you'll pick up everything you need, not least because anything essential is referred to via flashbacks.
 
The reason I never got into B5 (or its copycat DS9) was that the single location of alternating allied and warring denizens always felt like watching Falcon Crest. The Amiga CGI didn't feel even as real as ST:NG, even though it was more dynamic, and the people action scenes on all of these kind of shows falls far short of cinematic. So while the series had a lot going for it, each episode felt more like a soap opera punctuated by cartoon space battles that didn't seem grounded enough because the B5 habitat is not anchored in the fighting the way a starship might be. The home base meant there was always a type of status quo guaranteed.

I concede it is extremely difficult to make SF on a TV budget, but I'd almost rather watch a smaller and more personal sci fi story like The Phoenix, Incredible Hulk or Brother From Another Planet.

I think a problem for me personally is that by the time I was 11 the only space sci fi I had seen was 2001, Blade Runner, Close Encounters, Galactica, Wrath of Khan, Star Wars and Empire, plus some vague memories of Space 1999. The TV shows to come, like ST:NG and B5 seemed better than that weird syndicated stuff from before I was born (Star Trek, Twilight Zone), but were so much less cinematic than what immediately preceded them. Writing is very important, but the best writing is in books, and the time I grew up in has somewhat permanently spoiled my ideas of what high concept, live action sci fi needs to look like, because if they can do it when I'm 5 they should be able to do as well or better by the time I was 25.
 
The reason I never got into B5 (or its copycat DS9) was that the single location of alternating allied and warring denizens always felt like watching Falcon Crest. The Amiga CGI didn't feel even as real as ST:NG, even though it was more dynamic, and the people action scenes on all of these kind of shows falls far short of cinematic. So while the series had a lot going for it, each episode felt more like a soap opera punctuated by cartoon space battles that didn't seem grounded enough because the B5 habitat is not anchored in the fighting the way a starship might be. The home base meant there was always a type of status quo guaranteed.

I concede it is extremely difficult to make SF on a TV budget, but I'd almost rather watch a smaller and more personal sci fi story like The Phoenix, Incredible Hulk or Brother From Another Planet.

I think a problem for me personally is that by the time I was 11 the only space sci fi I had seen was 2001, Blade Runner, Close Encounters, Galactica, Wrath of Khan, Star Wars and Empire, plus some vague memories of Space 1999. The TV shows to come, like ST:NG and B5 seemed better than that weird syndicated stuff from before I was born (Star Trek, Twilight Zone), but were so much less cinematic than what immediately preceded them. Writing is very important, but the best writing is in books, and the time I grew up in has somewhat permanently spoiled my ideas of what high concept, live action sci fi needs to look like, because if they can do it when I'm 5 they should be able to do as well or better by the time I was 25.

I think you nailed it right there as to the reason why I could never get into B5!

it felt like one of those 80s soap operas - like a Falcon Crest or Dallas in Space!

To be honest I have always found it hard going watching SF television series. The original Star Trek was the exception, primarily because it was unique, and really started the ball rolling back in the 60s.

ST:NG, was a bit hit and miss initially, but found its feet by S3. But even then it felt a bit "soapy" at times.

The only show I really adore is "Farscape". Probably because there's only a handful of lead characters that you immediately immerse yourselves with.

That said, I will give B5 another go sooner or later. However, it's like one of those domestic chores that needs to be done but you always find an excuse to put it off until "tomorrow!"
 
The only show I really adore is "Farscape". Probably because there's only a handful of lead characters that you immediately immerse yourselves with.
You know, I do like Farscape. I think the extra over the top characters and less predictable conflicts made it more fascinating, even if only in a car wreck sort of way. The aliens had a more genuinely exotic feel to them - helped by the fact that they were played by attractive people and that came through their make up. But it is also goofy and the characters comedic - but maybe dealing with aliens should be absurd?
 
You know, I do like Farscape. I think the extra over the top characters and less predictable conflicts made it more fascinating, even if only in a car wreck sort of way. The aliens had a more genuinely exotic feel to them - helped by the fact that they were played by attractive people and that came through their make up. But it is also goofy and the characters comedic - but maybe dealing with aliens should be absurd?

it was definitely goofy and off-the-wall sometimes. But that just added to its "non-serious/non-pompous" charm I guess. I think it got the ingredients just right here: drama, decent sfx, plenty of action of course; romance, witty characters, the resident bad guy (Skorpius); and some refreshing planetary landscapes. ... oh and a bit of soap mixed in there too :)
 
Scorpius was not really a bad guy! If it wasn't for the Scarrans being lunatics Scorpius would have been an awesome political leader...

Ok so Scorpius is a little bit naughty!
 
Scorpius was not really a bad guy! If it wasn't for the Scarrans being lunatics Scorpius would have been an awesome political leader...

Ok so Scorpius is a little bit naughty!
Wasn't Scorpius not really Scorpius for most of the time but just an implant in John's head?
 
God, I miss Farscape. The 'Liars, Guns and Money' three-parter into 'Die Me, Dichotomy' was some of the best tv I've seen. But then B5 has a lot of those moments, too - far too many episodes to list but 'Severed Dreams' and 'War Without End' spring immediately to mind. Must rewatch.
 
When I saw Babylon 5 The Gathering It didn't wow me at all, so when the series came, I had no great expectations of it . The first episodes of season one were better then then gathering which was encouraging but , I started to get intrigued by all the continuing story arc and the mysteries that the show was setting . Why the Mimbari were so protective of B5'd first commander Jeffry Sinclair and all the other little side stories some leading into the overall arc and other leading to nowhere. By the time I reach the episode Babylon Squared which in part dealt mystery of what happen to the Babylon 4 Station (which didn't fully get explained until season 3) I was hooked on this series. I could not get enough of it and it just kept getting better and better. (y):cool:
 
When I saw Babylon 5 The Gathering It didn't wow me at all,

Ditto! But it was the Soul Hunter episode that made me think it had the possibility of being a great series.

It was very outside the box without being silly.

psik
 
I didn't get into it until season 3 started. I saw the pilot and was interested, but my social life kinda took over and i'd watch an episide here, an episode there. When season 3 started, i became friends with someone at work who was watching it and became a little more intrigued. To date, it is my favourite Science Fiction experience. (Only topped perhaps by my first read of Iain M. Banks's The Player Of Games.)

I'd love JMS to write some more books on set in the B5 universe.
 
I didn't get into it until season 3 started. I saw the pilot and was interested, but my social life kinda took over and i'd watch an episide here, an episode there.

You were supposed to have a VCR by then. Sci-fi people that don't use technology get sentenced to the agony booth.


psik
 
I used to get episodes of B5 on video before they were shown in the UK, until my source got raided at a comic fair for selling pirated videos. :(
 

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