Game of Thrones: 7.04 - The Spoils of War

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Daenerys fights back. Jaime faces an unexpected situation. Arya comes home.

 

[REBerg]

I am more concerned about the welfare of the dragon than that of Jaime. Is that wrong?

 

[svalbard]

What a great episode. So much to like. Arya kicking Brienne's butt. Seeing the dragon in action. Jaime finally getting quality air time. He is one of the most compelling characters in the series. My thoughts were the same as Tryion's on that final charge.

I hope Sam's brother Rickon/Dickon survives. He is an improvement on the father.

 

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Hauntingly beautiful episode. And for once it didn't feel that the events were rushed, but actually everything was given fair amount of time from Arya's fight to that last moment for seeing Jaime sinking in the depths of a watery grave. Even Littlefinger got his moment at gazing his death to eye.

I bet he knows what is coming and who is delivering his demise. Still he wasn't scared or then he was so scared that he was actually frozen on that balcony. The only way out from is to get a pardon for his sins from King of the North, but I personally don't think it's enough to protect his precious bottom from a faceless assassin. Only another could do that but they are in short supply at the North.

I am more concerned about the welfare of the dragon than that of Jaime. Is that wrong?

Well I got giddy and I was actually clapping my hand on seeing a flying flame-thrower grilling Lanister's field army. They were outnumber and too stretched out to take brunt off from the plain raiders. If they only would had been as organised as what they were, when they took down the Highgarden. Even then it is difficult to protect yourself from those flames as they can get in from any caps.

The wound Drogo took wasn't as bad as it looked. He will have a problem flying and there is going to be a need to rest or otherwise he would risk more damage and possible infection. Thing is we don't know if dragons can get a septicaemia from a bolt. Maybe it can happen, but what sort of microbiological organism can invade system of a creature that can produce a flame hot enough to incinerate corpses and hardened metal armour in one go?

Would GRRM go War of the Worlds on the dragons?

One thing that I noticed was that Bronn survived miraclously two times the flaming death. And on the second time he pushed his master in that watery death, while those horses just became Drogo's emergency meal. Does dragon's indigestion system handle metal better than white sharks?

Arya kicking Brienne's butt

It was a beautiful fight. I loved Brienne teaching all things she shouldn't do if she want's Podrick to survive. That man needs to learn to be more aggressive and get faster if he is going to survive white walkers. Although he has a physique to wear heavier armour.

I also loved that Brienne showed Arya that she's not invulnerable. She could have gone much harder and charged after Arya landed on her back and girl could not have done nothing. Maybe roll aside and get up from there. So in my honest opinion Arya doesn't make a soldier, but she can take down much heavier opponent on one-on-one if she needs to.

I hope Sam's brother Rickon/Dickon survives. He is an improvement on the father.

Me too. But I doubt he managed. There's still two dragon's flying over the plains.

 

[REBerg]

Jaime's survival depends on how fast a one-handed man can get out of the armor that took him to the bottom like an oversized gold ingot. He may get help from Bronn, assuming Bronn is able to free himself with air to spare.

 

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Jaime's survival depends on how fast a one-handed man can get out of the armor that took him to the bottom like an oversized gold ingot. He may get help from Bronn, assuming Bronn is able to free himself with air to spare.

Well, from the weight that keeps him down, because at some point you will become buoyant.


Another point about Arya. Did she suggest Sansa of replacing Ned's face with the Faceless version?

 

[Koopa]

so the lannisters are evil, this I know. In real life i could never support them. But in this episode I was rooting for them. Must be something about an underdog. I was like go Bronn, Go jaime, why did Drogon turn around... (even though I knew he would)

 

[sinister42]

Nah I was rooting for Dany. I'm always rooting for Dany. She's all of the awesome. And the Lannisters are just the ****ing worst. Aside from the Boltons and some of the Greyjoys and Littlefinger and...most everyone else on that show.

Yeah, I'm rooting for Dany and Jon, but I'm not at all sure whether I want Jon to bend the knee. I think he will, because ultimately he's a practical, non-ideological dude with no actual ambition - he just wants to kill the zombies - so if he thinks he can convince the lords of the North to back Dany, then he'll do it in a second.

 

[REBerg]

. Even Littlefinger got his moment at gazing his death to eye.

Oh, yeah. He's made Arya's list. After witnessing her prowess against Brienne, he should be afraid -- very afraid.

 

[svalbard]

so the lannisters are evil, this I know. In real life i could never support them. But in this episode I was rooting for them. Must be something about an underdog. I was like go Bronn, Go jaime, why did Drogon turn around... (even though I knew he would)

My thoughts exactly, although I was slightly torn as to what result I wanted. When the Dothraki warrior said to Tyrion that the Lannisters cannot fight I was thinking "No s*** Sherlock. How would you do against a Dragon"

I am presuming that Jaime survives. He has to! It would be poor TV if that was his end.

 

[Ursa major]

Jaime finally getting quality air time.

I see what you did there....

 

[svalbard]

I see what you did there....

I wish I was that clever

 

[Ursa major]

Your subconscious obviously is.

 

[Mister_Oy]

Holy Crap!!!! What an episode!

I was shaking like a leaf at the end of it lol!

Jaime (and Bronn) will be fine I'm sure. Well - maybe not fine but alive - and captured is my guess. Should be interesting.

And Arya - haha! Although the actual mechanics of the thing was very suspect. Blade on blade with that size & strength difference both person and weapon? Really? Great to see her in action though

Bran needs to cheer up a bit

 

[Dave]

My only problem was that they really need that grain convoy. So, they go and attack it with dragonfire?

Otherwise, agree with everything said already. I'm not really bothered about the fate of Jamie, though it would have more symmetry if Brandon could push him off a high tower rather than him drowned in a tarn, so thought he might survive a little bit longer.

 

[Mister_Oy]

My only problem was that they really need that grain convoy. So, they go and attack it with dragonfire?

Toasted oats - yum yum

 

[Dan Jones]

so the lannisters are evil, this I know. In real life i could never support them. But in this episode I was rooting for them. Must be something about an underdog. I was like go Bronn, Go jaime, why did Drogon turn around... (even though I knew he would)

Yeah, me too. I was absolutely rooting for Bronn, but that might have been me rooting for Bronn rather than the Lannisters. There's something about indiscriminate slaughter that trips one's humanity buttons. That wasn't a battle, it was butchery. Jaime is still one of the most compelling characters, but it may be that he has been given the honourable death he wished for.

Great episode. Brilliant stuff. Ser Davos on great form. "I saw you looking at her good heart." Him and me both!

And seeing the Arya/Brienne fight I had a thought: what if Arya is the one who kills the Mountain? Arya is tremendous.

 

[Jo Zebedee]

My only problem was that they really need that grain convoy. So, they go and attack it with dragonfire?

Otherwise, agree with everything said already. I'm not really bothered about the fate of Jamie, though it would have more symmetry if Brandon could push him off a high tower rather than him drowned in a tarn, so thought he might survive a little bit longer.

Practical me thought that too!

 

[Culhwch]

Dany frustrates me to no end, mostly because she's always doing stupid stuff. When she was talking about hitting the Red Keep halfway through, I groaned and said to my wife she should go and hit Jaime's marching army instead. So I was very pleased to see she took my advice, and how! Great battle, almost as cathartic as the Battle of the Bastards. I was wondering about the show's claims that this season's shortened length would allow for more spectacle more often, especially after last week two great castles fell with little action, but I'll definitely forgive them that now.

I imagine one of Dany's dragons is definitely going to die this season, and I hate that so much already. I'm even more convinced now that Drogon survived this episode - it's going to give Dany too much confidence that they are invulnerable, rather than making her see she needs to be more careful.

I also wish Dany would realise that it's not that Jon won't bend the knee, because he would in a heartbeat if it meant actually uniting the North and Dany against the White Walkers. He just can't, not now, because the Northern lords won't follow her. She needs to show them she's worth following, by taking up their cause and fighting alongside Jon, and then she might be a chance (through marriage, perhaps). In any case, does she really need to be Queen in the North as well? She was queen of nothing a few short seasons ago. Plus her birthright claim only goes back a few hundred years in any case, and Jon's goes back a lot further than that. Get off your high horse (or dragon) already.

As good as most of this episode was, the worst part were the two guards Arya ran into. Literally one episode ago a long lost Stark reappeared and not an eyebrow was raised. This week though the very thought is laughable! Just bad writing, and for no real gain story-wise...

 

[Dave]

I also wish Dany would realise that it's not that Jon won't bend the knee, because he would in a heartbeat if it meant actually uniting the North and Dany against the White Walkers. He just can't, not now, because the Northern lords won't follow her. She needs to show them she's worth following, by taking up their cause and fighting alongside Jon, and then she might be a chance (through marriage, perhaps). In any case, does she really need to be Queen in the North as well? She was queen of nothing a few short seasons ago. Plus her birthright claim only goes back a few hundred years in any case, and Jon's goes back a lot further than that. Get off your high horse (or dragon) already.

I did wonder why Jon didn't make that case more strongly. He did say that, but she later said something about it being his "pride," to which he didn't reply. She obviously didn't understand what he had said earlier, but his silence only made it seem as if she was right. Jon never wanted to be "King of the North." He was trying to avoid it, so hardly anything to do with "pride." You would think that she would understand what it takes to be a leader rather than an imposed ruler, given that is also why she has such a large following.

Do the books say how the Dragons left Westeros? Did they all die of old age? Otherwise, where does it say that Dragons are invincible? I appreciate, that doesn't matter to the vast majority of soldiers; fighting an opponent with Dragons must seem like they are invincible in any case. However, if everyone thought Dragons were invincible then that weapon wouldn't have been built, and if Dany thought they were invincible she wouldn't have held back on using them for so long.