Game of Thrones: 7.04 - The Spoils of War

[Ursa major]

so unless it's like a canal which suddenly deepens quite a bit, it can't have been that deep.

I won't be watching the episode for some time (not until the DVD comes out), so can't comment on what's in play in the episode...


...but if the river is curved, the water can be deeper at the apex of a curve.

 

[Dave]

For dramatic effect (I expect) Jamie was seen to be falling deeper and deeper as the closing credits rolled. I also thought it was unfeasible deep, which is why I called it a tarn; a bottomless lake. If it was meant to be a river then it wasn't shown that way. Did he drown or didn't he?? I can understand why they need to up the tension at the end of the episode, just as I can understand why they don't show weeks of armies doing nothing but marching, or ships sailing on seas. However, I do agree that the jumping around of some characters does defy logic.

 

[sinister42]

This is a show with dragons, magic, and zombies. Logic don't enter into it.

 

[Koopa]

@Arya's homecoming The writers posted why they made it like that on their official youtube channel. Something about her home no longer being quite the same as in the past. Familiar yet different. Or something along those lines. I personally thought it was a throwback to a couple of seasons earlier when Arya tried to enter the Red Keep but the guards refused her entry cause she didn't look like a Hand's daughter.

 

[Ursa major]

I personally thought it was a throwback to a couple of seasons earlier when Arya tried to enter the Red Keep

Wasn't that in the first season (i.e. six years ago)?

Anyway, the website, WinterIsComing, has a "book-reader's" recap of 7.04 that includes a clip of that much younger Arya trying to get into King's Landing from the shore.

The recap also has some stills from 7.04 to accompany its thoughts about why some may have felt more sympathetic to Jaime than they did to Dany, i.e.

When we do get a shot of [Dany], her brow is lowered in concentration, her black cloak rippling in the wind. Girl looks like a supervillain. Or a badass. The line grows thin, which I think is the point. Compare that to a shot of Jaime, another character we like, looking panicked, and tell me who we’re supposed to root for.

 

[Culhwch]

Clearly she is interested in Jon and likely they will marry, unless Bran mentions their relation.

Given they are both Targs, wouldn't their relation to one another make marriage more likely?

@Arya's homecoming The writers posted why they made it like that on their official youtube channel. Something about her home no longer being quite the same as in the past. Familiar yet different. Or something along those lines. I personally thought it was a throwback to a couple of seasons earlier when Arya tried to enter the Red Keep but the guards refused her entry cause she didn't look like a Hand's daughter.

Having a justification doesn't excuse poor writing, though. If Bran hadn't returned an episode before, I'd have had no problem with it (besides the cringeworthy cliched-ness of it all), but in context it seemed far too forced...

 

[ZombieWife]

A young man who can't walk in a cart. Says he's Bran.

Nobody ever believes Arya is Arya. The point of her character is that she is always underestimated.

 

[Droflet]

Sublime.

 

[Ursa major]

The point of her character is that she is always underestimated.

She's certainly seen as being no-one important....

 

[Culhwch]

A young man who can't walk in a cart. Says he's Bran.

True, I imagine it would be terribly difficult to fake being crippled...

 

[LilyDraken]

What were people's thoughts on Littlefinger giving the dagger to Bran? I've been over it and over it and still can't quite figure out what his motivation might have been. Of course, since Arya's now in possession of it, and Littlefinger may be on her List, it's likely he'll get it back in a fatal manner.

 

[LilyDraken]

I did wonder why Jon didn't make that case more strongly. He did say that, but she later said something about it being his "pride," to which he didn't reply. She obviously didn't understand what he had said earlier, but his silence only made it seem as if she was right. Jon never wanted to be "King of the North." He was trying to avoid it, so hardly anything to do with "pride." You would think that she would understand what it takes to be a leader rather than an imposed ruler, given that is also why she has such a large following.

Do the books say how the Dragons left Westeros? Did they all die of old age? Otherwise, where does it say that Dragons are invincible? I appreciate, that doesn't matter to the vast majority of soldiers; fighting an opponent with Dragons must seem like they are invincible in any case. However, if everyone thought Dragons were invincible then that weapon wouldn't have been built, and if Dany thought they were invincible she wouldn't have held back on using them for so long.

Someone correct me if I'm mistaken, but I think the dragons died off in Westeros. They were being born smaller and smaller, and also locked up in the Dragon Pit in KL, until eventually they just died out.

RE: Dany - I'm tired of Dany and her incessant "Bend the Knee" routine. I get that (as far as she knows) she's the rightful heir, but the Seven Kingdoms have been fractured for quite a long time now, and everything she learned about Westeros is very much in question right now. Demanding allegiance from people she doesn't know and knows nothing about is ridiculous. She was successful in Essos by liberating people wherever she went, and giving them their freedom. Now she shows up in a land she doesn't know and literally demands they bend the knee and obey her (which, let's be honest, could, for all the Westerosi know, be a form of enslavement). Definitely changes her whole "Mhysa" routine.

 

[Mr Orange]

what a great episode. watched it again last night and was wowed again. is anyone else really impressed with the score for this season? it gives the show a real epic cinematic feel.

i'm happy with the time it took Dany to get to the loot train. after all, Jaime and Bronn had to get back from just outside Highgarden, which is a lot further away than Dragonstone. i guess you just have to accept time passing between scenes, which is fine by me as long as they are consistent.

the river did get awfully deep very quickly. maybe it was a small inland fjord...

EDIT: i figured littlefinger giving bran the dagger was a way to get to talk to him and try to manipulate him, but littlefinger got put on the back foot when bran quoted him and then they were interrupted

 

[LilyDraken]

what a great episode. watched it again last night and was wowed again. is anyone else really impressed with the score for this season? it gives the show a real epic cinematic feel.

i'm happy with the time it took Dany to get to the loot train. after all, Jaime and Bronn had to get back from just outside Highgarden, which is a lot further away than Dragonstone. I guess you just have to accept time passing between scenes, which is fine by me as long as they are consistent.

I have been and continue to be impressed with the score this season. It's gorgeous. Also, time does seem to be passing a lot faster now. I mean it took 0 minutes from Jon to get from the North to Dragonstone. No more extraneous time lapses. Everything needs to move at a faster clip because it's coming down to the wire. But I'm not complaining.

 

[Judderman]

What were people's thoughts on Littlefinger giving the dagger to Bran? I've been over it and over it and still can't quite figure out what his motivation might have been. Of course, since Arya's now in possession of it, and Littlefinger may be on her List, it's likely he'll get it back in a fatal manner.

For some reason Littlefinger wanted Arya to have it? Though he didn't know she was back yet. It seems reasonable to think that Bran wouldn't make use of the dagger so would give it away.

 

[Judderman]

...RE: Dany - I'm tired of Dany and her incessant "Bend the Knee" routine. I get that (as far as she knows) she's the rightful heir, but the Seven Kingdoms have been fractured for quite a long time now, and everything she learned about Westeros is very much in question right now. Demanding allegiance from people she doesn't know and knows nothing about is ridiculous. She was successful in Essos by liberating people wherever she went, and giving them their freedom. Now she shows up in a land she doesn't know and literally demands they bend the knee and obey her (which, let's be honest, could, for all the Westerosi know, be a form of enslavement). Definitely changes her whole "Mhysa" routine.

Yes I think she is Breaking Bad. Though Jon may calm her down eventually.

 

[Judderman]

..i'm happy with the time it took Dany to get to the loot train. after all, Jaime and Bronn had to get back from just outside Highgarden, which is a lot further away than Dragonstone. i guess you just have to accept time passing between scenes, which is fine by me as long as they are consistent...

Tarly said the gold was in Kings Landing already. Possibly he could have stolen it though. So I think Dany's dragon just burnt the supply train.

 

[Mr Orange]

yeah i was referring to it as a general loot train, including the grain. it did seem a bit odd to me that dany burnt all the grain.

 

[anno]

Re miraculous journeys in Westeros- it's called suspension of disbelief- there's people who die and get up,zombie warlords from hell and big chuffin' dragons!!!
Listen to Judderman - 3 dragons win any war, that's my boy!
As you where...

 

[Koopa]

Yeah, I don't like this Jon having feelings for Dany. It's almost fact the writers will be putting them together. When will the Targs finally realise how filthy incest is, and that their are ways to keep their line 'pure' (which is nonsense imo) without flagrant incest.

lol@dany proclaiming the Targs gave westeros peace and plenty. Only a few decent rulers among them.