Game of Thrones: 7.04 - The Spoils of War

[Ursa major]

Do the books say how the Dragons left Westeros? Did they all die of old age?

They're certainly not immortal and do die; otherwise the world would be full of them.

IIRC, over the generations, the dragons that hatched became smaller and feebler until the last one's head was no bigger than a dog's.

Oh, and controlling them was an issue (which would be a problem even if a dragon wasn't very big, given its fire-breathing capability).

 

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[ctg]

Now that it's obvious the Iron Bank isn't going to get their gold, is Cercei going to off their representative? I suppose his "holiday" in the King's Landing is going to have a very sudden ending as he isn't "going to be paid in full." I was kind of thinking 'No mate,' when he said: "The first time in the banking history has anyone paid such a large sum... in single deposit."

 

[Culhwch]

The gold made it safely back to King's Landing, though. Or are you suggesting that Cersei will refuse to pay the debt now in favour of purchasing some more swords? She already seemed to have budgeted for the Golden Company, so there may have already been enough to pay the Iron Bank and further fund the war efforts...

 

[ctg]

. Or are you suggesting that Cersei will refuse to pay the debt now in favour of purchasing some more swords?

The way I understood it was that Jaime was in the charge for all those valuables their army confiscated from the Highgarden. And they showed Jaime paying off Bronn to reinforce the status that Cercei hasn't actually delivered the money. Just the promise after ravens brought in the news of Jaime's success.

 

[svalbard]

The way I understood it was that Jaime was in the charge for all those valuables their army confiscated from the Highgarden. And they showed Jaime paying off Bronn to reinforce the status that Cercei hasn't actually delivered the money. Just the promise after ravens brought in the news of Jaime's success.

Just before the battle Randyll Tarley tells Jaime that all the gold is safely delivered to Kings Landing. As the battle commences Bronn urges Jaime to ride for Kings Landing. My inference from those scenes is that the battle is taking place just outside of Kings Landing and that teleporting in Westeros is an advanced science.

 

[ctg]

that teleporting in Westeros is an advanced science.

You mean all those riders and their dragons appearing on the plains with no advanced warning?

 

[pete997]

I did wonder why Jon didn't make that case more strongly. He did say that, but she later said something about it being his "pride," to which he didn't reply. She obviously didn't understand what he had said earlier, but his silence only made it seem as if she was right. Jon never wanted to be "King of the North." He was trying to avoid it, so hardly anything to do with "pride." You would think that she would understand what it takes to be a leader rather than an imposed ruler, given that is also why she has such a large following.

Do the books say how the Dragons left Westeros? Did they all die of old age? Otherwise, where does it say that Dragons are invincible? I appreciate, that doesn't matter to the vast majority of soldiers; fighting an opponent with Dragons must seem like they are invincible in any case. However, if everyone thought Dragons were invincible then that weapon wouldn't have been built, and if Dany thought they were invincible she wouldn't have held back on using them for so long.

the dragons Dany hatched were the first dragons seen alive in 300 years. they died out and were thought to be extinct.

Dany/Jon. Jon can't bend a knee because of the support of the northern lords. Dany requires it because if she were to give him what he wants, she would be in effect surrendering to an enemy which would mean she is no queen. as for the North. it is one of the Seven Kingdoms. if one breaks away, then the other will in time. it is basically all or nothing.

 

[svalbard]

You mean all those riders and their dragons appearing on the plains with no advanced warning?

Also Randyll Tarley and Jaime are supposed to be amongst the most experianced commanders in Westeros and yet they have no scouts out! School boy errors.

 

[Mister_Oy]

Also Randyll Tarley and Jaime are supposed to be amongst the most experianced commanders in Westeros and yet they have no scouts out! School boy errors.

Yes - it amazes me how a large force can sneak up on another large force unseen. Military strategy 101 - SCOUTS! It's the same on water apparently!

 

[Koopa]

i can understand on land, them scouts could have been taken out, plus they were moving back in King's Landing, only last batch of Lannisters left. Euron coming up so unawares was more strange.

 

[Dan Jones]

In the books Euron does have some sort of weird blood magic thing going on with his ships which apparently gives his fleet super quick sailing abilities, but even so, he definitely is cranking up the old sea mileage. He wants to get himself a P&O rewards card.

The shows don't seem to have mentioned this blood magic thing though, as far as I recall.

 

[Heather Myst]

The scene with Brienne and Arya was gold but it was tough for a Team Stark person like me to see how much had changed in a bad way for all the Starks since they has last all been together in Winterfell.

Davos gets the line of the week with " I noticed you looking at her good heart."

This show rocks!

 

[Culhwch]

I'm happy to give the show a pass on the unlikely travel times and magically teleporting armies. The books have a lot more breathing room for stricter adherence to realistic travel. The show has limited time (fifty minutes is around fifty script pages, which are much less dense than a novel page), and there's no narrative gain to waiting, and waiting, and waiting for things to unfold in a more realistic manner. There is a heap of narrative gain to seeing a horde of screaming Dothraki and a fire-breathing dragon run riot over a bunch of Lannisters and turn-coat Tarlys, though!

 

[Koopa]

Sansa will need to have her children named Stark if the Stark name is to continue. It happened before wil Bael the Bard (i think that was his name). But as the series will end before any such event, we will never find out if the name will survive or not. The books have more leeway with Rickon still alive. But as Rickon might be too much a hurdle for Jon to become King. He might end up dead in the books as well. Not sure if Jon actually needs to be king but he'll most likely become King in the books as well if they ever release.

 

[Cat's Cradle]

Wonderful episode. I was, too, a bit incredulous at first that the Dothraki could have snuck up on Jaime's crowd; but I thought about this after the show, and realized if anyone could hunt down a number of rearguard enemy scouts before they could sound the alarm, it would be the Dothraki (the best horsemen in this world). And on top of that, you have dragons who might be out scout-hunting. Even should Daenerys not think of an anti-scout force, you'd have to believe the Dothraki commanders would know to have advance scouts of their own. (I'll chalk this up to things time constraints didn't allow to be shown/suggested, on the show.)

Again great episode...the rest of the series, ay-yi-yi the intensity of storytelling we should see!

edit - I must admit, it's possible Jaime was just too arrogant to think rear scouts necessary, after the level of his successes, to this point. Was anyone else surprised at how deep the water was, where Jaime and Bronn fell? It was very close to where Daenerys and her dragon were standing, but it seemed Jaime was falling through fathoms of water.

 

[ctg]

Was anyone else surprised at how deep the water was, where Jaime and Bronn fell?

I was. But I thought it's one of those things where you have to look between your fingers and trust it was artistic vision.

 

[Koopa]

Dany stands at the riverbank, so unless it's like a canal which suddenly deepens quite a bit, it can't have been that deep. I noticed that too, but I figured it was for the ending or to make it more believable Bronn and Jaime manage to riverslip away.

 

[Cat's Cradle]

Good points! I wasn't overly troubled by the water's depth, just wondered what others thought. Artistic license, perhaps...it was certainly more dramatic with Jame floating away, under the water. But I hadn't considered that it might be a canal!

I really need to rewatch this one.

 

[Judderman]

As good as most of this episode was, the worst part were the two guards Arya ran into. Literally one episode ago a long lost Stark reappeared and not an eyebrow was raised. This week though the very thought is laughable! Just bad writing, and for no real gain story-wise...

I wonder if it was deliberate in further showing that Arya is not really a Stark in mind anymore. As was shown with the Nymeria scene previously. Bran also isn't.

Dany further showed her brutal, megalomaniac . Her enjoyment is in power, destruction and she showed some amusement from sexual thoughts. Clearly she is interested in Jon and likely they will marry, unless Bran mentions their relation. Interesting that many of the main female characters are getting crueler as the show progresses. A product of surviving their environments.

I hope the Dragon dies as 3 controlled Dragons can win any war. Probably 2 can. Bronn and Jamie were amazingly lucky to avoid flames etc but Bronn seems to be the greatest fighter in Westeros.