Game of Thrones: 8.04 - The Last of the Starks

Dany is being an arse.

I agree. Flying straight at Euron like that was the cherry on her stupidity cake after all her boring petulance. As REBerg says below:

The death of Rhaegal was shocking and horrifying.
Dany had been made painfully aware of Cersei's giant crossbow, anti-aircraft technology development efforts when Drogon was wounded by one of those armor-piercing scorpion bolts. Yet, she exposed both of her surviving "children" to attack in a low-altitude approach to the battle zone.
got the feeling that killing Cersei is Arya's "unfinished business," as she hits the road for King's Landing with her old traveling companion.

Totally agree with this. Her list is fast becoming redundant otherwise. And as No one she has a better chance than an army.

Answer - We don't know and I suspect we never will. Which is, personally, manure. Once again, I feel cheated by the lack of Cause for the Effects in this series.

Sigh. Sadly true.

But, that aside, I thought it was a great episode. Great drama.

I was riveted. I found this episode full of tension and foreboding missing in the battle at Winterfell. I enjoyed it much more than last week’s episode.

Tyrion should be dead. there's no way the women that blew up the sept wouldn't have sent a volley of arrows down onto him once missandei was dead

Yup. Another logic bomb. She hates Tyrion and letting him live was nonsense.

Plus, I don’t feel like we’re losing any big rollers. Ser Jorah, et al weren’t ‘big’ enough. And the dragon was expected (at some point, not necessarily tonight’s Episode) so it was just the graphical nature of the throat kill that shocked me, not the death itself.

pH
 
Why was Euron Greyjoy still in King's Landing? Wouldn't such a brilliant sea captain be better placed with his fleet?
not to worry, he can just make use of the Westeros Teleportation Service (Inc.) and get back to his ship in a few seconds. on that matter, I thought the time jumps were particularly jarring this episode. normally there is at least a cut away to another scene to give the impression that time has passed but I found the dragonstone-kings landing jumps just too much

Plus, I don’t feel like we’re losing any big rollers. Ser Jorah, et al weren’t ‘big’ enough. And the dragon was expected (at some point, not necessarily tonight’s Episode) so it was just the graphical nature of the throat kill that shocked me, not the death itself.
agree completely. only two episodes left and so many people still to die...

I was riveted. I found this episode full of tension and foreboding missing in the battle at Winterfell. I enjoyed it much more than last week’s episode
completely agree, there were lots of points where the tension ramped up and up and up.

oh and another thing, so euron and his mates are good enough shots to hit a dragon miles up in the air but when one is divebombing their ships and then stupidly broadsides itself giving a huge target, they somehow all miss?
 
oh and another thing, so euron and his mates are good enough shots to hit a dragon miles up in the air but when one is divebombing their ships and then stupidly broadsides itself giving a huge target, they somehow all miss?

Well, having eliminated the White Walkers they now need to eliminate all of the dragons before the finale. So, actually, it's more a case of plot convenience than anything else. They'll most probably kill the remaining dragon before the end of the series. The mechanism for doing that is clumsy, having said that the elimination of this dragon is essentially the same idea as the elimination of the previous dragon (i.e. they both get hit by projectiles thrown at them from the ground). I'm still waiting for the last Dragon to be enslaved by the dragon-horn, commanded to the ground and killed. So ensuring the death of the person who blows said horn, the dragon and, probably, Dany.
 
So which of Cersei's children will have inspired the face Arya's going to be wearing when she kills Cersei: Joffrey or Tommen?

There's a whole lot of plot convenience going on at the moment. Logically, Arya should have just said, 'Hey, why don't you all just chill here at Winterfell and recuperate for a little while, I'll just nip down to King's Landing, quickly kill Cersei, Euron, Qyburn, and any one else in our way, and then y'all can just mosey on down the Kingsroad and walk straight up to the throne.' But if it gets us a big old battle, I guess their way is fine too.

Also, and granted I only saw it the once, but it looked like Euron's fleet was hiding behind a couple of little islands? Why not just circle Drogon around the back and burn his fleet from behind? Dart back and forth from behind the very convenient cover and pick them off one by one? Fly high and rain fire down from straight above?
 
Didn’t love this episode. I find it ridiculous that Dany, riding up hundreds of feet on a dragon — presumably for the purpose of scouting — didn’t see a fleet of iron born until she was swooping into arrow range.

Agree. The sight of Ghost as they left Winterfell was a poignant moment. I had a sense of foreboding doom for Jon.

There was definitely some metaphors layered there. He’s not a wolf anymore, he’s a dragon, so letting go of Ghost was symbolic of his new self identity. As to his dragon dying shortly thereafter... not sure what to read in that as a metaphor.

It doesn't look like we will get the back-story of Bran and the Night King then. And the first half was very slow, though some things happened that needed to happen. Bran says that he 'lives in the past.'

I’m still holding out. Next episode should resolve the Cersi conflict, with several “twists” according to interviews with actors on the show. Then we have 80 minutes hopefully not just of Dany and Jon fighting.

I don’t think Arya should get the killing blow on Cersi. She already got the NK, now it becomes just silly. Who needs an army? Arya can solve everything herself. Besides, the only way to save the seemingly-botched Jamie redemption arc is if he is actually going back to finish Cersi himself. I doubt it.
 
With respect, why is the beheading of Missandei of such importance when some of their greatest warriors were killed in battle, and more will be, because of her failures? She needs to chill!
Missandei is a very significant character and Danny’s handmaiden who has given good counsel throughout, freed as a slave by her and a useful negotiator, a confidant and a friend, her last words confirmed her undying commitment to Danny’s rise to the Ironthrone, don’t weep for me, go and light the bitch up with dragonfire!
 
Missandei is a very significant character and Danny’s handmaiden who has given good counsel throughout, freed as a slave by her and a useful negotiator, a confidant and a friend, her last words confirmed her undying commitment to Danny’s rise to the Ironthrone, don’t weep for me, go and light the bitch up with dragonfire!

Her death meant only viewer empathy in regards to how Greyworm felt. Yes, she was important to Danaerys and her acceptance of her death moving, but it was essentially meaningless - perhaps even a clumsy use of Deus Ex - and in no way as grave as someone else’s death. Tyrion should’ve been killed as well if real stakes (and the viewing audience’s support) were important.

pH
 
Should we assume that since they showed in flash forward prophesy a ruined and snowed throne room at the Red Keep, that Dany manages to burn down the city before the winter arrives?

 
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so it was just the graphical nature of the throat kill that shocked me, not the death itself.

The throat shot bugs me, because it came almost 90 degrees off angle, even though Euron's ship were all facing forward and their scorpions didn't seem to have much of angle to travel. Maybe it was one of those magical missiles, similar to the bullet that killed JFK.
 
Her death meant only viewer empathy in regards to how Greyworm felt. Yes, she was important to Danaerys and her acceptance of her death moving, but it was essentially meaningless - perhaps even a clumsy use of Deus Ex - and in no way as grave as someone else’s death. Tyrion should’ve been killed as well if real stakes (and the viewing audience’s support) were important.

pH

I definitely felt more for Grey Worm in the moment than Dany. I imagine Dany thought of Missandei as more of a possession than a true friend, and have no doubt that she would have cut her head off a hundred times if it got her the Iron Throne. It was that Missandei's head wasn't Cersei's to cut off, more than anything.
 
Game of Thrones has made an incredibly big deal out of how important Daenerys’ dragons, the last ones in existence, have been in Westeros, because of the unique advantage they’ve always afforded the Targaryen family. Over the course of the last two seasons, though, the show’s been trying to tell us something about the magical beasts that finally came to a head last night: On their own, and in small numbers, dragons really ain’t sh*t.
Turns Out Game of Thrones' Dragons Are Kinda Weaksauce

One would think that someone, at some point, might have suggested that Daenerys outfit her dragons with a few pieces of armor in order to protect them from sharp projectiles (especially after what happened to Viserion), but apparently that never happened. Game of Thrones has never really gotten into the intricacies of dragon physiology but last season it became clear that Daenerys’ children aren’t indestructible, and could, in the right circumstances, be killed with relative ease.

“The Last of the Starks” showed us just how vulnerable the dragons are, which, while unfortunate for Daenerys, introduces an even more interesting dynamic to the show as a whole. While the Targaryen family might have been able to solidify their grip on power with the help of dragons back in the day, the key differences to bear in mind here are that at their height, Dany’s ancestors were in control of far more of the creatures and were much more familiar with dragon-based war strategies.

Daenerys’ dragons were strong, yes, but it’s difficult to argue that Dany’s ever been particularly good at deploying them in effective ways. The easiest explanation as to why would be that nobody’s seen dragons in decades, much less crafted war tactics involving them, and Dany’s really just been winging it. As many mistakes as Cersei’s made during her time as queen, one lesson she’s obviously learned and taken to heart is that dragons can die and that without an entire fleet of them at her disposal, Daenerys’ might is only a shadow of what the Targaryen name implies. All it took was a few well-aimed bolts from Cersei’s scorpions to completely obliterate Rhaegal, and even then, Daenerys didn’t seem to have much of a counter strategy aside from straight-up turning around and running away, letting Cersei know that she had her opponent on the ropes.

They have an embedded video (mp4) that I cannot lend here, but it shows that the neck bolt comes in completely different angle to the chest shot. It might an artistic cock-up and nobody thought about it in the editing room.

We’ve long seen Varys as a schemer, willing to do anything and betray anyone to secure power for himself. But, as we saw in the latest episode of Game of Thrones, Varys might be the only one doing something right.
Varys Isn't Betraying Westeros, He's the Only One Trying to Save It
For folks like Oberyn and Tyrion, as well as Daenerys, the Realm is an archaic power structure where nobility is assured. It’s what they were born into, believing they were more worthy than others for nothing more than their family name. However, self-starters like Littlefinger and Ser Bronn—who commented on this very issue during his chat with Jaime and Tyrion—the Realm is total bullsh**. It’s a series of fables created by conquerors to try and erase the awful deeds they’ve done.

However, this is not what Varys believes. For him, the Realm is not a fairy tale, nor is it a caste system where legacy breeds legacy. The Realm is his life’s purpose, the one thing he truly believes in. A world where the people have a leader they can trust, someone who’s earned their place on the throne.

I'll hope spider shows finally balls and do something about the situation before it's too late. Overall I think the marriage would be the best option, even if I'd like to see Jon on the throne. But, overall, I'm wishing that Gendry would get it ... if they'll end up killing each other in Mexican stand-off style. Then he might be good enough for the girl.
 
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Are they looked down upon in the general SFF community?

No. They are generally despised by the gaming communities for the obscure reviews they do on games. Sometimes their reviews go so against the community main will that it makes them look like a corporate propaganda machine, only aimed to please the money makers.

Time and again you'll see someone saying, "Did you see what they said in the IGN?" And you'll know that it wasn't anything good.
 
There's a whole lot of plot convenience going on at the moment. Logically, Arya should have just said, 'Hey, why don't you all just chill here at Winterfell and recuperate for a little while, I'll just nip down to King's Landing, quickly kill Cersei, Euron, Qyburn, and any one else in our way, and then y'all can just mosey on down the Kingsroad and walk straight up to the throne.' But if it gets us a big old battle, I guess their way is fine too.

In fairness, if I'm Arya, I don't reveal the fact I'm a trained assassin to Dany. And I'm not sure I'd reveal it to Jon either. The best I'd consider is revealing it to Sansa and getting her to persuade them to delay. Which they should have, but I'm okay with it showing Dany's unstoppable hubris and Jon's incredible loyalty/stupidity.

But, overall, I'm wishing that Gendry would get it ... if they'll end up killing each other in Mexican stand-off style. Then he might be good enough for the girl.

He would be even worse for the girl and Arya's wisdom in knowing this and willingness to cause unhappiness was right and proper.
 

The show sure does not follow book canon, that means supplementary material by GRRM also.
On thing we know is that Aegon conquered Westeros with three dragons and a small army.
Aegon's dragon Balerion was bigger than Drogon … however Drogon is a full adult dragon as are the other two.
GRRM says that once mature dragons are hard to bring down, scales tougher than on the show.
Also in Valyria dragon-armor was made (dragon barding) …... of Valyrian steel.
Balerion did wear armor at times, see below, … don't know if such was stored on Dragonstone are not.

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