Learning English literature

BritBox currently has available just about the whole series of The Complete Works of Shakespeare that the BBC did over the course of several years. And since they set out to do everything they included all the plays that practically nobody ever performs practically ever. I've been watching some of these lately and what I learned was there are good reasons why some of those plays are rarely performed, and some of the other plays are the plays that everyone does. Why do "Two Gentlemen of Verona" when you can stage something far more entertaining like "Much Ado About Nothing" or "A Midsummer Night's Dream"? Or something heart-wrenching like "King Lear"?
 
BritBox currently has available just about the whole series of The Complete Works of Shakespeare that the BBC did over the course of several years. And since they set out to do everything they included all the plays that practically nobody ever performs practically ever. I've been watching some of these lately and what I learned was there are good reasons why some of those plays are rarely performed, and some of the other plays are the plays that everyone does. Why do "Two Gentlemen of Verona" when you can stage something far more entertaining like "Much Ado About Nothing" or "A Midsummer Night's Dream"? Or something heart-wrenching like "King Lear"?


Yes, there are the more modern 'cinematic' Hollow Crown plays which cover the period of 'The Wars of The Roses'. Whilst they aren't strictly true to the script, they are more accessible.

Yes, and some are definitely better than others, although there are some that are perhaps a little too highly rated. Whilst Kenneth Branagh's Henry V is arguably the best movie adaptation of a Shakespeare play, Henry IV part two (which features a young Henry V and the inimitable Falstaff) is a more enjoyable tale.
 
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Advice: Don't get bogged down on the minutiae, or the subtexts you think you might be missing. Enjoy the book and the story and the characters. Try to keep the reading flowing as you would with a modern novel. Think about it afterwards if you want.
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That's always been my approach- I happily skate past the details I don't quite get, so long as the general thrust of the story is comprehensible. After being immersed in the style for a bit, some of these phrases start to make more sense from context. Or at least, to be familiar enough that you just shrug and go, "Ah, yes, the good old 'Change. Whatever that is." I think that's also one reason I learned to read so quickly as a child- unfamiliar words didn't stop me, and eventually they became familiar words.
 
OK. Suggestions for readable and fun Victorian and early 20th century literature

Journey to the Centre of the Earth Jules Verne

War of the Worlds, The Time Machine HG Wells

Most things by George Orwell, Somerset Maugham

The Jungle Book, Kim, Puck of Pook’s Hill Rudyard Kipling

Scoop, Brideshead Revisited Evelyn Waugh

Almost anything by PG Wodehouse

Ludd-in-the-Mist Hope Mirlees

Titus Groan Mervyn Peake ( a bit marmite, this one )

Three Men in a Boat Jerome K Jerome

The Sherlock Holmes stories A Conan Doyle

The Importance of Being Earnest Oscar Wilde. See the 1950s film if you can.

Last and First Men Olaf Stapledon

A Passage to India EM Forster

Lady Chatterley’s Lover DH Laurence

Ash on a Young Man’s Sleeve Dannie Abse

Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn Mark Twain

Give me 30 minutes and I could double this list.
 
I second @hitmouse list. These are the things upon which I cut my reading teeth when my age was a single digit; paving the way to understanding the milieu of more esoteric things to come.

I'd also note the 42 OZ books from the family collection. The later ones, not written by Baum (He only wrote 12 of them) get remarkably indulgent with the Schmaltzy Victorian World Salad.
 
May I stick in a word for reading Shakespeare? I suppose that, after all, most of the people who have loved Shakespeare experienced his work primarily or entirely as something read out of a book. Y'all can turn on computers and watch things, many of you live in metropolitan areas where you might see some staging (revisionist likely as not) of the plays, but don't discount generations of readers in households where a "family Shakespeare" and a Bible and not a great many other books may have been read with enjoyment by people of temperaments not so different from those of some of us. I suppose that most people who have seen a performance of a Shakespeare play will have seen just one or a few such events.

I'm not flat disagreeing with the commenters here who advocate seeing Shakespeare in performance, but I've actually seen quite a few productions, at the Oregon Shakespearean Festival in Ashland (1970s mostly), and would say it's really been more as something to read that Shakespeare's meant most to me, not as something to watch from a seat in a theatre. Some of my favorite plays I have never seen performed, while some that I have seen performed do not fascinate me. For what that's worth.

Another thought. Movies are really at odds with the way Shakespeare wrote. He wrote as a poet. Your imagination is meant to be active when you read, for example, the description of a castle in Macbeth. A great deal of Shakespearean verse and prose is not so much dialogue exchange, though presented thus, but verse intended to create sensory impressions and so on. So when you watch a movie and there's a castle with all its mosses plainly before your eyes, and some character is rattling on about it, you are naturally going to feel some impatience. People may say those words teachers hate to hear, about how "flowery" Shakespeare is. The best Shakespeare adaptation I know is probably Kurosawa's Throne of Blood, a very free working of Macbeth that is just wonderful on its own -- it justifies cinema itself as a (potential) art form. Kurosawa's script was written for a movie.

All these cinematic closeups of actors' faces as they enunciate Shakespeare's verse tend to work against it. You need to keep in mind that his plays were written to be performed for an audience none of whom could see details of facial expression, etc. Those nuances are in the verse. Shakespearean actors partly act the role, partly narrate it. Bethell's Shakespeare and the Popular Dramatic Tradition is very helpful on this. And when you read Shakespeare you need to visualize what his stage looked like. It was not the kind of theatre that, say, Ibsen could use for his more naturalistic plays.

My favorite example of partly acting, partly narrating, is in King Lear, when the Fool says something like "This is what Merlin shall say, for I live before his time." The Fool is not prophesying what Merlin will say hundreds of years later. Rather the actor is helping the audience to understand that the play they are watching is set hundreds of years before King Arthur.
 
I hope Throne Of Blood is good. Our library has a copy and I just put a hold on it. I’m next in line. Should be able to pick it up in a day or two.
 
May I stick in a word for reading Shakespeare? I suppose that, after all, most of the people who have loved Shakespeare experienced his work primarily or entirely as something read out of a book. Y'all can turn on computers and watch things, many of you live in metropolitan areas where you might see some staging (revisionist likely as not) of the plays, but don't discount generations of readers in households where a "family Shakespeare" and a Bible and not a great many other books may have been read with enjoyment by people of temperaments not so different from those of some of us. I suppose that most people who have seen a performance of a Shakespeare play will have seen just one or a few such events.

I'm not flat disagreeing with the commenters here who advocate seeing Shakespeare in performance, but I've actually seen quite a few productions, at the Oregon Shakespearean Festival in Ashland (1970s mostly), and would say it's really been more as something to read that Shakespeare's meant most to me, not as something to watch from a seat in a theatre. Some of my favorite plays I have never seen performed, while some that I have seen performed do not fascinate me. For what that's worth.

Another thought. Movies are really at odds with the way Shakespeare wrote. He wrote as a poet. Your imagination is meant to be active when you read, for example, the description of a castle in Macbeth. A great deal of Shakespearean verse and prose is not so much dialogue exchange, though presented thus, but verse intended to create sensory impressions and so on. So when you watch a movie and there's a castle with all its mosses plainly before your eyes, and some character is rattling on about it, you are naturally going to feel some impatience. People may say those words teachers hate to hear, about how "flowery" Shakespeare is. The best Shakespeare adaptation I know is probably Kurosawa's Throne of Blood, a very free working of Macbeth that is just wonderful on its own -- it justifies cinema itself as a (potential) art form. Kurosawa's script was written for a movie.

All these cinematic closeups of actors' faces as they enunciate Shakespeare's verse tend to work against it. You need to keep in mind that his plays were written to be performed for an audience none of whom could see details of facial expression, etc. Those nuances are in the verse. Shakespearean actors partly act the role, partly narrate it. Bethell's Shakespeare and the Popular Dramatic Tradition is very helpful on this. And when you read Shakespeare you need to visualize what his stage looked like. It was not the kind of theatre that, say, Ibsen could use for his more naturalistic plays.

My favorite example of partly acting, partly narrating, is in King Lear, when the Fool says something like "This is what Merlin shall say, for I live before his time." The Fool is not prophesying what Merlin will say hundreds of years later. Rather the actor is helping the audience to understand that the play they are watching is set hundreds of years before King Arthur.
I agree with this. Over the last couple of years I have revisited R&J, Macbeth and The Merchant of Venice when helping my children prepare for GCSE exams. They are marvellous to read in detail. It does help to have some structured questions to focus on, but these plays are reasonably accessible as a whole, in scenes or individual speeches to a 15 year old ( even Macbeth) though not really for skim- reading.
 
One book well worth adding to hitmouse's list: Cry the Beloved Country. Possibly the greatest novel to come out of South Africa.

Also from S.A. anything by Herman Charles Bosman, an Afrikaner short story writer and novelist. Check out Mafeking Road. His Afrikaans-to-English literary style is unique.

We have our bit to contribute to the Great Debate.
 
May I stick in a word for reading Shakespeare? I suppose that, after all, most of the people who have loved Shakespeare experienced his work primarily or entirely as something read out of a book. Y'all can turn on computers and watch things, many of you live in metropolitan areas where you might see some staging (revisionist likely as not) of the plays, but don't discount generations of readers in households where a "family Shakespeare" and a Bible and not a great many other books may have been read with enjoyment by people of temperaments not so different from those of some of us. I suppose that most people who have seen a performance of a Shakespeare play will have seen just one or a few such events.

I'm not flat disagreeing with the commenters here who advocate seeing Shakespeare in performance, but I've actually seen quite a few productions, at the Oregon Shakespearean Festival in Ashland (1970s mostly), and would say it's really been more as something to read that Shakespeare's meant most to me, not as something to watch from a seat in a theatre. Some of my favorite plays I have never seen performed, while some that I have seen performed do not fascinate me. For what that's worth.

Another thought. Movies are really at odds with the way Shakespeare wrote. He wrote as a poet. Your imagination is meant to be active when you read, for example, the description of a castle in Macbeth. A great deal of Shakespearean verse and prose is not so much dialogue exchange, though presented thus, but verse intended to create sensory impressions and so on. So when you watch a movie and there's a castle with all its mosses plainly before your eyes, and some character is rattling on about it, you are naturally going to feel some impatience. People may say those words teachers hate to hear, about how "flowery" Shakespeare is. The best Shakespeare adaptation I know is probably Kurosawa's Throne of Blood, a very free working of Macbeth that is just wonderful on its own -- it justifies cinema itself as a (potential) art form. Kurosawa's script was written for a movie.

All these cinematic closeups of actors' faces as they enunciate Shakespeare's verse tend to work against it. You need to keep in mind that his plays were written to be performed for an audience none of whom could see details of facial expression, etc. Those nuances are in the verse. Shakespearean actors partly act the role, partly narrate it. Bethell's Shakespeare and the Popular Dramatic Tradition is very helpful on this. And when you read Shakespeare you need to visualize what his stage looked like. It was not the kind of theatre that, say, Ibsen could use for his more naturalistic plays.

My favorite example of partly acting, partly narrating, is in King Lear, when the Fool says something like "This is what Merlin shall say, for I live before his time." The Fool is not prophesying what Merlin will say hundreds of years later. Rather the actor is helping the audience to understand that the play they are watching is set hundreds of years before King Arthur.

I also like the narrator or 'chorus' in Henry V , who asks the audience to imagine battlefields, sieges and oceans rather than a stage and actors.
 
I hope Throne Of Blood is good. Our library has a copy and I just put a hold on it. I’m next in line. Should be able to pick it up in a day or two.
I've bought about a dozen DVDs in my life, and that's one of them (Criterion release). (And I don't have any of the subscription services for movies, etc. Movies in general are not very important to me.) Don't read up about it or look at online images from it till you've seen it, if you can help it. : )

Kurosawa's movie Ran (=Chaos) is a reworking of King Lear, also very impressive, though quite different from the bravura cinema of Throne.
 
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OK. Suggestions for readable and fun Victorian and early 20th century literature

Journey to the Centre of the Earth Jules Verne

War of the Worlds, The Time Machine HG Wells

Most things by George Orwell, Somerset Maugham

The Jungle Book, Kim, Puck of Pook’s Hill Rudyard Kipling

Scoop, Brideshead Revisited Evelyn Waugh

Almost anything by PG Wodehouse

Ludd-in-the-Mist Hope Mirlees

Titus Groan Mervyn Peake ( a bit marmite, this one )

Three Men in a Boat Jerome K Jerome

The Sherlock Holmes stories A Conan Doyle

The Importance of Being Earnest Oscar Wilde. See the 1950s film if you can.

Last and First Men Olaf Stapledon

A Passage to India EM Forster

Lady Chatterley’s Lover DH Laurence

Ash on a Young Man’s Sleeve Dannie Abse

Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn Mark Twain

Give me 30 minutes and I could double this list.
I have a few of those on my shelf, and some I've read. Journey to the Centre of the Earth was possibly my first exposure to SF when I was bought a big illustrated edition when I was 10 or 11. And I still have it! I suspect its abridged though. It would be fun to read it again!
Also I have Stapledon's First and Last Men in penguin classics on my shelf, but not read it yet. I imagine it to be hard going
 
For those that like a good mystery story Moonfleet by J Meade Falkner or The Moonstone by Wilkie Collins (apparently, the first real detective story) are both excellent reads.
 
I don't fancy Shakespeare. Or rather, one does not cast fair light upon such a prospect as reading Shakespeare

I rather liked Macbeth, King Lear and Julies Caesar , Hamlet, As You Like it.:)
 
For those that like a good mystery story Moonfleet by J Meade Falkner or The Moonstone by Wilkie Collins (apparently, the first real detective story) are both excellent reads.
I remember reading Moonfleet at school, our English teacher was a very dramatic reader and there was a scene were the hero leaps through a window and we half expected our teacher to do the same.
 

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