Why I think AI-generated art is not art

A long time ago I did a History of Art course at university. Two things have stuck with me.
Art is utterly subjective. It is art if you think it is. No-one can tell you different.
And Art always moves on.
 
It seems to me that it’s up to the art community to navigate a way through this because the genie is out of the bottle and it won’t be uninvented.
Yes, @Foxbat this is a fundamental truth. It applies to many, many things.
I will also add the rider that if something can be used for evil, it absolutely will be .
 
A long time ago I did a History of Art course at university. Two things have stuck with me.
Art is utterly subjective. It is art if you think it is. No-one can tell you different.
As an art moron, this was the hardest part for me to grasp.

Many years ago, I was invited by to an exhibition of work by students at the Edinburgh College Of Art. My friend and I (she was one of the students) walked through the exhibition and I stopped at a large piece of scaffolding that dominated the centre of the hall where I loudly exclaimed that I thought they should have finished decorating the place before staging the exhibition. My friend was mortified and whispered to me that the scaffold was one of the exhibits. After I learned that, I was mortified too.
 
This gets pretty deep into the definition of "Art." As a rule, this looks like a great analysis.

This gets into the basic philosophy of art forgery. What if that same bozo uses a paint brush to copy your style and art instead of a machine?
That falls under the definition of inspiration and not borderline theft, as no matter how much you would copy the art piece from another artist, it would still be noticeably different and unique.
 
As an art moron, this was the hardest part for me to grasp.

Many years ago, I was invited by to an exhibition of work by students at the Edinburgh College Of Art. My friend and I (she was one of the students) walked through the exhibition and I stopped at a large piece of scaffolding that dominated the centre of the hall where I loudly exclaimed that I thought they should have finished decorating the place before staging the exhibition. My friend was mortified and whispered to me that the scaffold was one of the exhibits. After I learned that, I was mortified too.
I drew the line at a pile of freeze-dried animal poo [reindeer?] that was in Tate Modern. I can get along most people view on what might be art, but not a pile of freeze-dried poo.
But the problem is with me and not the Artist. I didn't get what they were trying to do.
 
Except that has actually been the goal of people working towards it (or else it was for the most part of my lifetime.) The 'Turing Test' was specifically designed to measure intelligent behaviour equivalent to, or indistinguishable from, that of a human. So far, it has been purely an imitation game and that is not enough since these current machines now pass that test easily
But they really weren't working toward that goal any more than alchemists were working toward making gold from lead. They just hoped they were, partially because they misunderstood how brains work. It turns out the the Turning Test is no more relevant than the Three Laws of Robotics. Fashioning an actual intelligence in a disembodied processing system requires departing almost entirely from the social and spatial cognition of animals.

So this idea that the AI has to receive and process artistic knowledge in a way that is similar to people seems way off. An AI may have the ability to produce great works, but the way it formulates a work is going to bear little resemblance to a human squinting at a still life tableau.
 
I disagree.

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People said “it’s not art” about many artists in the past, especially those who were pushing boundaries, like those involved in Futurism, Dada, Fluxus, etc etc, and more recent artists such as Banksy, Richard Long, Carl Andre, Jeff Koons, Tracey Emin, or Andy Goldsworthy have continued the “but is it art?” argument.
AI is doing the same thing, it isn’t a person,that’s all.
I once saw a painting by the famous chimpanzee Cheetah, who also wasn’t a person.

Also, what if the person prompting the AI in the first place is an artist? Does the result continue to not be art because it’s AI?
Or does the involvement of the artist make it art?
(And if so, what about anything else the artist makes, such as a sandwich or a ‘to do’ list)
AI-generated art isn't really a movement as it's not really introducing any new fundamentals of art or really breaching any boundaries aside from me typing "Vladimir Putin laying down on a rose-covered bed in his whitey tighties with a rose in his mouth", I do agree using AI to get inspiration but completely replacing manually craft completely defeats the purpose of why we even make art, the feeling of putting each detail to your work and eventually finishing it, it's a feeling of great joy that I can't really describe in words. Meanwhile when I make prompts on a website that makes these images, I don't feel accomplished or anything, it feels like a hollow victory to be honest.
 
How much of what is celebrated about art is truly creativity and how much is about manual dexterity? "Whistler's Mother" by James Whistler and "David" by Michelangelo are considered artwork and they certainly display great technical ability in replicating images of people. Are they creative, however? Do they represent anything new or unexpected? I would differentiate works by M. C. Escher and Frank Lloyd Wright as creating images that are unexpected and I would categorize that as creativity.

Quite a bit of what I have seen as AI generated art consists of add juxtapositions similar to dogs playing poker. However, isn't that just allowing people to express creativity without first requiring them to achieve a technical skill set?
 
It's art using the medium of computers. The artist is the person who wrote the programme that created the item. It my not be very good art, but (as has been said) 'good' is entirely subjective - especially when it comes to art, or fashion.
 
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As an art moron, this was the hardest part for me to grasp.

Many years ago, I was invited by to an exhibition of work by students at the Edinburgh College Of Art. My friend and I (she was one of the students) walked through the exhibition and I stopped at a large piece of scaffolding that dominated the centre of the hall where I loudly exclaimed that I thought they should have finished decorating the place before staging the exhibition. My friend was mortified and whispered to me that the scaffold was one of the exhibits. After I learned that, I was mortified too.


I do wonder sometimes if artists produce a piece deliberately to create something random, then sit back and watch the critics discuss its merits (and the public stare in bafflement). It's a bit like 'The Emperor's New Clothes' - who will dare to stick their head above the parapet and point out the obvious?
 
I agree in general. And I think the same argument can potentially be made about AI's 'creative writing'. Is it art? Is it truly creative?

The way I see it, the output of AI is never excellent and never comes close to matching the best human endeavor (or even competent human endeavor). If I ask it to write me a story it will be unable match anything I can produce myself. Having said that, I wonder if that is really the point To be useful, it doesn't need to be excellent, it simply needs to exceed the abilities of whatever particular individual is relying on it.

For example, when it comes to the generation of art, I recently tried out an image-generating machine (after someone linked to it on sff chrons). The result, at first glance, looked pretty good. Upon closer inspection, it wasn't good at all; forearms out of proportion to upper arms, background perspective all wrong, a few objects that didn't look like anything in particular. It didn't stand up to scrutiny. Having said that, it was still way better than anything I could have produced myself (not being that kind of artist). I might have been tempted to make use of the image for that reason.

Anyway, AI may come to take its place in the spectrum of art. Already, in the human realm, there is good art and bad art (subjective, of course). And already there is plagiarism, copying and art that is highly derivative (‘It’s called stealing’: new allegations of plagiarism against Roy Lichtenstein).

Sounds like a Picasso or Dali! :LOL:
 
It's art using the medium of computers. The artist is the person who wrote the programme that created the item. It my not be very good art, but (as has been said) 'good' is entirely subjective - especially when it comes to art, or fashion.
There's a difference between digital art and something that is AI-generated
 
There's a difference between digital art and something that is AI-generated


True; but until a computer takes it upon itself (without any influence from a human) to create a piece of art (which one day is quite conceivable) the only reason the picture is being generated is because a programmer has created a programme to do so.

To some it's a piece of code, to others it's a piece of art. Same as a piece of scaffolding can be art or just a piece of scaffolding, depending on your point of view.

From a personal point of view, I would class a piece of computer art as soulless, same as a piece of literature written by AI. And I would value a painting or story created by a child in far higher esteem than any computer-generated item.
 
I do wonder sometimes if artists produce a piece deliberately to create something random, then sit back and watch the critics discuss its merits (and the public stare in bafflement). It's a bit like 'The Emperor's New Clothes' - who will dare to stick their head above the parapet and point out the obvious?
A lot of art starts out as random, for any number of reasons and sometimes it is done just to see what happens next.

Digital art is a huge umbrella. Modern day digital is quite often used to make realistic looking images. Personally I don't use any of that. I use primitive digital, photoshop 1999, which is free. The automatic features would be considered a joke by anyone who likes to use modern digital programs. I only need to use the mouse the same way I would use a brush, pen, pencil, camera, or a pair of scissors. Much of the work starts out with random bits and pieces of photographs, shaped until it starts to look like something, though that something could still be a randomized pattern.
 
In his Reith lectures on Art, Grayson Perry defines Art and seperates it from craft is that Art is "tat for rich people". He states that what is defined as Art within society, at least since the 19th Century is about a small elite network, previously the Academy, now Art dealers. Mostly Art is about defining status. Art is a useless object that a rich person owns to flaunt the fact they are so rich they can buy something that has no utility at all other than to signify wealth and status. Hence Hirst's Shark, Emin's unmade bed, Mutt's urinal, NFT's.

What the layman considers art - exceptional skill in craft hasn't been a thing in Art since the invention of the Camera and mechanical reproduction (See Walter Benjamin's "The work of Art in the age of mechanical reproduction"). Labour has become divorced from production across the board.

If you get the chance, watch this incredible documentary "Ways of Seeing", produced in the 70's but still absolutely relevant today. You won't regret it. It's brilliant.


For the last seventy odd years the ability to faithfully reproduce what the eye sees is no longer important when you can just take a picture. The whole skill of using a camera is about choice in representing reality - what to shoot, how to use lenses and light, what film stock to use, how to post process it.

The Art world took a turn towards the conceptual. What you represented was more important than the technique used to represent it. Recently the art world has turned to experiential art - happenings - as a reaction against Art as a commodity.

AI art is entirely analogous to photography in that respect. It's a fusion of labour free image production and the conceptual. The skill of AI art is in prompt crafting and curation - what you choose to ask the machine to make, what language you use to make it, and of the images the machine makes, which you choose to show to the world. You can even post process and relight images. With programs like Image 2 text you can compose a composition, choose a subject - do everything a camera does.

The skill in AI art is now linguistic, rather than in learning the rudiments of colour theory etc.

I think it was Marshall Mcluhan (or it might be David Lynch) that said that the real possibilities of a medium are only revealed in the areas where the art breaks down - the distorted guitar, the digital glitch, overexposed film, etc. Arguably we've seen this first - the things that AI is bad at - hands, eyes, form, depth, are the things that make it attractive to a (capital A) Artist.

Movements in Art tend to go hand in hand with our general conceptions of the world. It represents the things we have discovered about the universe and our place in it. The terrifying (to some) thing about AI art is what it says about us as a species. The faculties we regard as exceptional - our ability to speak, produce art, reason - can be reproduced by something that has no sense of consciousness, as far as we can tell, to a level that matches the best of our species (bear in mind how embyronic these technologies are, too). Beyond the idea that AI might replace us - is the suspicion that maybe the things we think, the words we speak, might be derived in a similar statistical manner as Large Language Models. In this we're seeing Freud's Third Existential Insult to humanity writ large.
 
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So, this thread has gone full circle from AI generated Art is not Art, to Art is no longer Art.

Maybe the only original future Art will be Bohemian AI Art that is nothing at all like any Art created by humans, who apparently simply crave wealth and popularity.

"Buddy, can you leave a few Watts for a starving AI?" "Hey Mister, have you got any spare Amps?"
 
In his Reith lectures on Art, Grayson Perry defines Art and seperates it from craft is that Art is "tat for rich people". He states that what is defined as Art within society, at least since the 19th Century is about a small elite network, previously the Academy, now Art dealers. Mostly Art is about defining status. Art is a useless object that a rich person owns to flaunt the fact they are so rich they can buy something that has no utility at all other than to signify wealth and status. Hence Hirst's Shark, Emin's unmade bed, Mutt's urinal, NFT's.
You really have to have your head stuck up a certain type of person's bottom to view the world of art as only they do. Art is everywhere, appreciated for all different reasons - including its sometimes stunning realism. So you really have to be an incredible snob to take the view that the only "art" is the stuff that you buy in Soho after rubbing elbows with the New York Times critic - and then decry that stuff as nothing but commodity.

I've bought art. I've sold my art. I studied briefly under a noted hyperrealist. None of that had anything to do with anything you've noted.

The main takeaway of your post is that people who write art criticism as social commentary ought to be rounded up and left on an island.
 

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