Everyone needs a conspiracy theory....

[Tysha]

1. *faints*
2. Well, Where to begin? I am a vile little man, I confess it. My crimes and sins are beyond counting, my lords and ladies. I have lain with whores, not once but hundreds of times. I have wished my own lord father dead, and my sister, our gracious queen, as well.
I have not always treated my servants with kindness. I have gambled. I have even cheated, I blush to admit. I have said many cruel and malicious things about the noble lords and ladies of the court.Once I...
3. I know several Boazes... but no Boaz was half.. emm.. what's the right word..? As THIS Boaz!
4.I AM new here.. oh, I get it, everyone in turn is suspected to be GRRM... And now it's my turn...
5. Oh.. my poor Alleras=Aegon theory.. *sniff* please! I'm still mourning over it!​

 

[Tysha]

Tysha, a woman from? (I swear it was Russia yesterday and now its Isreal) or GRRM? I think Tysha you are indeed covering your tracks like Jason Bourne.

It's ridicules, you're just being silly

 

[MOUNTAIN THAT READS]

Actually NO ONE has ever accused Boaz or me of being GRRM. Hmmm is that an insult

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

You know what separates good comedy from transcendant comedy? Committment. You Boaz committed to that bit with an absolute integrity, for that I salute you....Funniest thing Ive read here in a long time.

You know....Ive never seen George Martin and MTR in the same place at the same time....Im not accusing anybody of anything....Im just saying.

You can thank me later MTR.

 

[Young stormlord]

1. *faints*

2. Well, Where to begin? I am a vile little man, I confess it. My crimes and sins are beyond counting, my lords and ladies. I have lain with whores, not once but hundreds of times. I have wished my own lord father dead, and my sister, our gracious queen, as well.
I have not always treated my servants with kindness. I have gambled. I have even cheated, I blush to admit. I have said many cruel and malicious things about the noble lords and ladies of the court.Once I...
3. I know several Boazes... but no Boaz was half.. emm.. what's the right word..? As THIS Boaz!
4.I AM new here.. oh, I get it, everyone in turn is suspected to be GRRM... And now it's my turn...

5. Oh.. my poor Alleras=Aegon theory.. *sniff* please! I'm still mourning over it!​

Tyrion to Lysa Eryn (AGOT). I was never suspected to be GRRM by the way. I am sorry for your theory. There is no happyness in that victory.

 

[TK-421]

Now, Tysha's from Uzbekistan...She moves around more than Aegon the Unworthy...Actually, maybe she is our Aegon's wife and this is their new way of communicating (and disagreeing) by using the forums

 

[MOUNTAIN THAT READS]

OK, I suddenly feel like I am only talking to one other person. Could it be that you are all just one VERY VERY messed up person? And the name of that person is GRRM. HA!!!! I am on to you. And that's why the book isn't done. You are on here everyday arguing with yourself.

 

[Tysha]

I think it's quite unrealistic theory! GRRM to be disguised as a slender, extremely beautiful young woman?!

 

[MOUNTAIN THAT READS]

A beautiful bearded woman????

 

[MIDNIGHT]

LOL. That is quite the mental picture!! Thanks MTR!!

 

[Tysha]

If GRRM really wanted to disguise his beard, and turn into an extremely beautiful young woman, he should just spell his name backwards. Have anyone seen any MRRG lately?

 

[Tysha]

My own favorite theory on Tywin also suffers from no evidence whatsoever. The theory is that Shae and Bronn were working for Tywin from at least the night before the battle where Tywin defeats Roose Bolton. Knowing that whores are Tyrion's weakness, Tywin buys Bronn and has Bronn bring Shae to Tyrion. Both Bronn and Shae are vague concerning her origins. Shae seems over eager, in my opinion, to take a hideous dwarf (even a fabulously rich one) as her lover. Bronn and Shae feed info to Tywin (I'm sure the number of his informants was second only to Varys'.) Tywin expressly forbids Tyrion to take Shae to court knowing that Tyrion would then indeed take her to spite his father. How did Tywin stay abreast of the Small Council? Cersei, Baelish, Varys, Pycelle and Tyrion would only send Tywin certain information, but Shae and Bronn could easily inform him of all of the Hand's comings and goings. Bronn abandoned Tyrion for a title, Tyrion thought Cersei behind this, but in actuality Tywin had already assumed the Handship and the Regency. At Tyrion's trial, Shae's testimony was obviously bought or coerced... if it was Cersei, why was Shae not then immediately shipped off? if it was Tywin, would this explain why Shae was in his bed? Cersei seemed shocked that Tywin would take a common whore to his bed... but what if Shae was an accomplished spy and courtesan (a Geisha, if you will) in Tywin's employ? After Tywin's death, Bronn makes it clear that he disdains Cersei by naming his stepson after Tyrion. Bronn then defies Cersei's assassin and her authority. I don't think he'd have done it if he'd been in her pay, nor would she have treated him thus if she'd been paying him.

The problem with my theory is that there is not one bit of evidence... it's all conjecture.

I like this theory - although I do not have a sound proof as well, it seems to explain several things. So here are some more hints to support this theory:
1."And this is Bronn, a sellsword of no particular allegiance. He has already changed sides twice in the short time I’ve known him, you and he ought to get on famously, Father.”
A changing sides sellsword? Tywin saw in that a useful trait... Well Tywin needs Tyrion, but have no trust or love for him, so a close spy would be very useful.
2. Tywin has seen Tysha, so he knows Tyrion's taste in women better than Bron.
3. Shae wanted to be brought to court in spite of Tyrion's fear and warnings of his father's wrath. She's not stupid, so why would she like to risk herself that much? I can see only one reason: she knows that she is safe from Tywin's rage... because she is his spy.
4. Shae seems very interested to be involved in Tyrion's business as the Hand, and not only to be his whore. Does she love Tyrion so much that she wants him to share everything with her? Her testimony at Tyrion's trial shows otherwise.
5. We know how Cercei treats with "Tyrion's creatures" - she tries to kill them, and does not try to take them over to her side. So it does seem that Bron's title and marriage come from Tywin, whose favorite tactic is to buy the foes that he can use. Or was it a reward for a good service - spying on Tyrion?
6. When Tyrion finds Shae in Tywin's bed, she wears the golden chain of the Hand, a symbol of Lord Tywin's highest title. I can't imagine Lord Tywin Lannister allow a casual whore to wear this chain. However, if Shae is his faithful spy and courtesan, that's another matter.
7. Shae sounds very eager during her testimony - eager to please; but it seems more than just trying to please Cersei - it sounds more like trying to convince her master (Lord Tywin?) that she has not enjoyed being with Tyrion. Even if she knows that she is safe because she works for Tywin, Shae is also his lover, so it is important for her to show him that she thinks that Tywin is the true "giant of Lannister"

 

[Young stormlord]

I like this theory - although I do not have a sound proof as well, it seems to explain several things. So here are some more hints to support this theory:
1."And this is Bronn, a sellsword of no particular allegiance. He has already changed sides twice in the short time I’ve known him, you and he ought to get on famously, Father.”
A changing sides sellsword? Tywin saw in that a useful trait... Well Tywin needs Tyrion, but have no trust or love for him, so a close spy would be very useful.
2. Tywin has seen Tysha, so he knows Tyrion's taste in women better than Bron.
3. Shae wanted to be brought to court in spite of Tyrion's fear and warnings of his father's wrath. She's not stupid, so why would she like to risk herself that much? I can see only one reason: she knows that she is safe from Tywin's rage... because she is his spy.
4. Shae seems very interested to be involved in Tyrion's business as the Hand, and not only to be his whore. Does she love Tyrion so much that she wants him to share everything with her? Her testimony at Tyrion's trial shows otherwise.
5. We know how Cercei treats with "Tyrion's creatures" - she tries to kill them, and does not try to take them over to her side. So it does seem that Bron's title and marriage come from Tywin, whose favorite tactic is to buy the foes that he can use. Or was it a reward for a good service - spying on Tyrion?
6. When Tyrion finds Shae in Tywin's bed, she wears the golden chain of the Hand, a symbol of Lord Tywin's highest title. I can't imagine Lord Tywin Lannister allow a casual whore to wear this chain. However, if Shae is his faithful spy and courtesan, that's another matter.
7. Shae sounds very eager during her testimony - eager to please; but it seems more than just trying to please Cersei - it sounds more like trying to convince her master (Lord Tywin?) that she has not enjoyed being with Tyrion. Even if she knows that she is safe because she works for Tywin, Shae is also his lover, so it is important for her to show him that she thinks that Tywin is the true "giant of Lannister"

Bronn being Tywin's spy has already been discussed. Main reason for him not being is that Tyrion didn't hire him in first place, he already was in tavern when Tyrion came in. Shae is not so good as a spy either. She could rarely hear any secrets in her position as Tyrion's whore.

 

[Boaz]

I am a vile little man, I confess it. My crimes and sins are beyond counting...​

Hilarious!

MRRG? Also, hilarious.

MTR, yes it rubs that my intellectual ramblings have never been mistaken for Martin's.

As for Bronn... Bronn may have had dealings with Tywin in the past but was not currently employed... he'd have known at once that this was his chance to get back in good with the richest man in the realm. This explains his fighting at Tyrion's trial. It would also explain his not fighting at Tyrion's second trial.

As for Shae... she was not "a chance meeting" on the road. She was found in Tywin's camp. The golden necklace is a clue I'd overlooked! I think that strengthens the Shae as Tywin's spy theory... that's the closest thing I have to proof.

Sorry, Aegon. I swore to myself that I'd not expound on this theory again... I'm weak.​

 

[Tysha]

Bronn being Tywin's spy has already been discussed. Main reason for him not being is that Tyrion didn't hire him in first place, he already was in tavern when Tyrion came in..

Yes, but Tywin could hire him when Tyrion came with him and has introduced him as a "twice side changing sellsword" - that gave Tywin an idea to hire him. After all Bronn gets a "Ser", ind it's not likely for just being brave and good fighter.

Shae is not so good as a spy either. She could rarely hear any secrets in her position as Tyrion's whore.

Yes, but she has tried.
I didn't though about Bronn and Shae as Tywins spies before Boaz has suggested it. But I couldn't understand the - "he made me call him my giant of Lannister" thingy, ok, Cesei had bought her, but why to be SO evil, why? If it was just for the gold she could say that he is bad, he killed Joffrey, he made her sleep with him, he had stolen her from her fiance, BUT, "My giant of Lanister"?! - that is just evil, that is just to embarrass him, to hurt him, to please Tywin (I almost cried when I've read this part )

 

[Tysha]

Hilarious!

MRRG? Also, hilarious.

MTR, yes it rubs that my intellectual ramblings have never been mistaken for Martin's.

As for Bronn... Bronn may have had dealings with Tywin in the past but was not currently employed... he'd have known at once that this was his chance to get back in good with the richest man in the realm. This explains his fighting at Tyrion's trial. It would also explain his not fighting at Tyrion's second trial.

As for Shae... she was not "a chance meeting" on the road. She was found in Tywin's camp. The golden necklace is a clue I'd overlooked! I think that strengthens the Shae as Tywin's spy theory... that's the closest thing I have to proof.

Sorry, Aegon. I swore to myself that I'd not expound on this theory again... I'm weak.[/left]

I'm sorry, it's me who made you weak... But it IS make sense (Unlike -Tyrion as a Targaryen ******* lol)

 

[Young stormlord]

Yes, but Tywin could hire him when Tyrion came with him and has introduced him as a "twice side changing sellsword" - that gave Tywin an idea to hire him. After all Bronn gets a "Ser", ind it's not likely for just being brave and good fighter.

Yes, but she has tried.
I didn't though about Bronn and Shae as Tywins spies before Boaz has suggested it. But I couldn't understand the - "he made me call him my giant of Lannister" thingy, ok, Cesei had bought her, but why to be SO evil, why? If it was just for the gold she could say that he is bad, he killed Joffrey, he made her sleep with him, he had stolen her from her fiance, BUT, "My giant of Lanister"?! - that is just evil, that is just to embarrass him, to hurt him, to please Tywin (I almost cried when I've read this part )

Ok I actually like this theory, just telling that it was discussed already

 

[Tysha]

Ok I actually like this theory, just telling that it was discussed already

EVERYTHING has been discussed! Just one more kick, the horse is dead anyway, it doesn't hurt

 

[AandKsavetheDAY]

EVERYTHING has been discussed! Just one more kick, the horse is dead anyway, it doesn't hurt

Haha!!! So true! Good thing I didn't start the series when AGoT came out in, what, 1996? I would have been really tired of waiting! (And also a very advanced and emotionally mature six year old )
Anyways, I think that this forum makes me even more impatient, but I stick around 'cuz i don't want to be in the dark when Dance comes out. And it's a freakin sweet way to spend my time!

P.S... I really do like the Tywin=Ringmaster of spies theory... It actually makes sense- and seems just like something that he would do. Plus, it would explain Shae's presence w/ Tywin the night he's killed. Frankly, it would explain a lot of stuff, yet nothing explains it.
And if this were the case, why would Bronn name the kid Tyrion? Maybe regret? And I don't really think any sellsword would like to fight a battle (vs. Gregor) that seems unwinnable- they're not known for their valor...
I'm not dissing the theory, I actually really like it. I'm just also kind of excited to see what your counter-arguments will be!

 

[Tysha]

Haha!!! So true! Good thing I didn't start the series when AGoT came out in, what, 1996? I would have been really tired of waiting! (And also a very advanced and emotionally mature six year old ) !

I feel the same, I have discovered ASOIAF about 6 months ago, and have read those 4 books in a row, I can't imagine waiting so long between the books!(But now we have the opportunity to do so...)

P.S... I really do like the Tywin=Ringmaster of spies theory... It actually makes sense- and seems just like something that he would do. Plus, it would explain Shae's presence w/ Tywin the night he's killed. Frankly, it would explain a lot of stuff, yet nothing explains it.
And if this were the case, why would Bronn name the kid Tyrion? Maybe regret? And I don't really think any sellsword would like to fight a battle (vs. Gregor) that seems unwinnable- they're not known for their valor...
I'm not dissing the theory, I actually really like it. I'm just also kind of excited to see what your counter-arguments will be!

I agree.