Who will rule in Westeros at the end of ASOIAF?

[AryaUnderfoot]

I don't like poisoners.

I guess you don't like the Red Viper much, either.

I know we were all hoping for Joffrey to die a much more miserable death, but I thought the poisoning was well done.

Any thoughts on Margaery, Winters Sorrow?

 

[TK-421]

The Queen of thorns is sly and devious...I like that. Yes, Garlan has true honour and I think Werthead may have hit on something when he made the suggestion that the Tyrells will align with Dorne. But maybe not. Presonally, I think they will go to Dany.

Now, Margaery...She's a bit of a puzzle right now. On the surface, there doesn't seem to be much happening but I think she's learned ALOT from her Grandmother and from being at court. Her and Loras seem to be a mirror of Cersei and Jaime (without the can't keep it in your pants, keep it in the family part). Loras is brash and impulsive like Jaime but much, much more stupid. However, I think Marge has some surprises in store for us and is as ambitious and cunning as Cersei but not as stupid. In the end, however, Dany will eat her up and spit her out.

 

[Anomander]

Simple. The black dragon will go to brad (remember the dreams of flying). Arya and Dany will have an unsuccessful battle to the death for the other two dragons. Bronze Yohn will emerge from the north with a force never before seen in middle earth. Uhm... I mean westeros. Jon Snow (who we suspect is sibling to the sand snakes) will be crowned King of the Others, and will begat the new dynasty of the others.

 

[Winters_Sorrow]

I guess you don't like the Red Viper much, either.

I know we were all hoping for Joffrey to die a much more miserable death, but I thought the poisoning was well done.

Any thoughts on Margaery, Winters Sorrow?

Actually I wasn't that fussed by the Red Viper either way (he died far too quickly after being introduced) but at least he was amusing and ironic. He kind of reminded me of a more amoral (and erm, straight!) Renly in point of fact.

I wasn't bothered that Joffrey was poisoned to death - better than the little blighter deserved in some ways, but I'm not going to applaud death from the shadows - especially as they successfully pinned it onto someone else. The cads!

Margaery is an interesting one. We haven't really had the chance to get into her head the way we have with Cersei and Sansa but she reminds me of a more self-confident and arrogant version of Sansa.
She isn't half as worldly as she'd have us believe and she isn't half as clever as she thinks she is. Despite being 'coached' by the female Tywin as Wil said earlier, she displays none of her shrewdness and believes (falsely) that her position as eligable daughter of one of the major houses will allow her to get away with anything.

Being stripped, having her friends whipped and ostracised and being thrown into jail and beaten by septas is a good start on her road to education. It remains to be seen if she will survive these changes and how she will react to being 'alone'. Her shining knight brother is dying/dead/incapacitated, her grandmother is back in Highgarden and her father is a fat blowhard I wouldn't trust with the life of my pets, nevermind myself.

I see a lot of parallels (this is something Boaz touched on a while back actually, and I agree) between certain characters in the series. More the 'road not taken' mostly. I regard Margaery's ordeal as similar to Sansa's. From secure loving environment surrounded by friends to being held by hostile forces.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

I agree with you about Margaery. I sometimes wonder just how "in the know" she is about all the events surrounding her. Does she know Grandma poisoned her husband? All we really know is that she blindly trusts her family members to move her around and keep her safe. Beyond that, who knows?

 

[Koopa]

the wolfs are whimps, excuse me but so far not one wolf in the series has lost in combat, only thanks to low cunning they are dead. (well the ones that are dead), Bran is definitely gonna kickass, Rickon is somewhere , Sansa and the power of the Vale behind her is gonna shake things up,as for Arya she gonna kill and kill and kill and in her spare time kill some more.

As for Jon he is LC and basically manipulating Stannis in getting the North back on track, cause lets face it, the North will soon fall under Stannis power or the Stark Loyalists since East is blocked entirely away from it, both by land and sea, and the ones who are doing that interest (pyke) interest lies in the east against highgarden and nly have left provisionary forces, just enough to hold the entrance from the south to the north. The Wolves are set to a comeback that is clear. The Lion is crumbling under its arrogance and the Roses are off at the moment, it is clear momentum is changing.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

the wolfs are whimps, excuse me but so far not one wolf in the series has lost in combat, only thanks to low cunning they are dead.

Thank you for saying it better than I could have, Kiwi.

I suppose that in some minds, having a sense of honor is wimpy. Having pride in your family that is not merely associated with a "might makes right" mentality is wimpy. Making a sacrifice that is based on love and not on a grab for power is wimpy... the Starks will never catch a break.

As for Jon he is LC and basically manipulating Stannis in getting the North back on track, cause lets face it, the North will soon fall under Stannis power or the Stark Loyalists since

The Stark Loyalists will take the Wall? Why would they do that? And do you mean "Stark" loyalists, or "Bolton" loyalists?

 

[Koopa]

I mean stark loyalist, and i dont mean the well but the north itself (get things organisized (? difficult word), the Boltons are impossible anyway since they are stuck south.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

I see a lot of parallels (this is something Boaz touched on a while back actually, and I agree) between certain characters in the series. More the 'road not taken' mostly. I regard Margaery's ordeal as similar to Sansa's. From secure loving environment surrounded by friends to being held by hostile forces.

Its funny, I see Maergary as a smarter more put together version of Cersei. I always assumed when she was younger she played a better game of being "sweet Cersei" to the public much like Marge is doing.

I equate Tywin and The Queen of Thorns in their respective lives, domineering and manipulative....and even have the Jaime-Loras angle as well....twincest baby!!! yeah!!!!

 

[southron sword]

i reakon the doom will return and westeros will go down. so all this fighting and plotting was pointless. whatever the doom is it will defeat the goodies and the badies. go doom lol................. or in another twist, the children will come back n wreak havoc, them tiny little things goin ape on everyone. imagine seein a baby humble the mightiest knights. it may come down to a battle between the children of the forrest and the doom. that would b a good fight. and if im way off then one of the stark kids.

 

[Werthead]

Westeros lacks volcanoes, so the Doom happening there may be unlikely...

 

[Trey Greyjoy]

Westeros lacks volcanoes, so the Doom happening there may be unlikely...

Do we know that for certain? I had been under some impression that it was either something falling from the sky or some great rent in the fabric of magic. Could be volcanoes though...

 

[southron sword]

yeah, i thought the doom was uncertain, thats y i said it lol. its never mentioned what it is in the books i dont think. i wanna know tho.

 

[the smiling weirwood]

Perhaps it was a collapse of their corrupt, heartless government and "The Doom" was just a physical mirror of the fall of their people.

 

[Werthead]

I think there's a whole thread on this, but no, it's 90% likely it was volcanoes. We do know absolutely for certain that there were volcanoes across the neck of the Valyrian Peninsula (the Fourteen Fires) and their destruction during the Doom created the Smoking Sea which is still volcanically active according to ASoS. AFFC makes it highly likely that the Doom was a deliberate event brought about by the Faceless Men to destroy the Freehold. This would also track with the city of Valyria being rendered uninhabitable by falling ash (the Doom 'descending on Valyria') but being possible to visit in the present day. A meteor impact nearby would have blown the city off the face of the planet. A meteor impact strong enough to have shattered the peninsula would also have rendered most of the planet uninhabitable as well.