Horcruxes. The remaining.

[PTeppic]

I thought that to create a Horcrux was not just about having killed someone but then afterwards performing a very complex and specific spell to trap the divided soul. You wouldn't just do it by accident...?

 

[Adasunshine]

I think it can be done accidentally, you forget the kind of power Voldy actually has, which leaves room for pretty powerful mistakes... also, the magic that was protecting Harry from the Avada Kedavra curse was extrememly old powerful magic, when those two powers collide, you never know what's going to happen.

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[Joel007]

Presumably those powers have collided before, otherwise no one would know about this old powerful magic. One of the big things about horcruxes is that it takes some serious planning and evil determination. I'm amazed people even suggested that harry could be a horcrux.

 

[Adasunshine]

Apparently they haven't, well, not that it says because at first no-one had any idea why Harry survived the Avada Kedavra curse, it was a mystery, not even in Philosopher's Stone was it mentioned until right at the very end and even then, Dumbledore only figured it out through Quirrell not being able to touch Harry so it was new to everyone and one that has only recently been fathomed (in wizarding terms of course).

Basically, it's all speculation but I don't think anything's impossible, they thought surviving the Avada Kedavra curse was impossible but someone did...

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[Azure]

Presumably those powers have collided before, otherwise no one would know about this old powerful magic. One of the big things about horcruxes is that it takes some serious planning and evil determination. I'm amazed people even suggested that harry could be a horcrux.

Isn't trying to kill defenseless babies pretty evil? We still don't know how it's actually done, only the criteria that you need to kill someone, and you need somewhere that ideally means something to do you hide it. Weird things happen when you mess around with prophocy.

 

[PTeppic]

Ah - have just re-read the pages of chapter "Horcruxes" in HBP.

"There is a spell..." said Slughorn, with which a murdering wizard might take advantage of the damage done to their soul by committing murder. I had misread or misinterpreted the text at some point.

So basically AFTER committing a murder, with the soul in two parts, a suitably knowledgeable wizard would be able to "save" that otherwise lost portion of soul by encasing it some other object. It would not require the spell to be ready, as it were, before the murder. Unless you're Voldemort and potentially killing people deliberately to split your soul to create a Horcrux.

 

[carrie221]

Ah - have just re-read the pages of chapter "Horcruxes" in HBP.

"There is a spell..." said Slughorn, with which a murdering wizard might take advantage of the damage done to their soul by committing murder. I had misread or misinterpreted the text at some point.

So basically AFTER committing a murder, with the soul in two parts, a suitably knowledgeable wizard would be able to "save" that otherwise lost portion of soul by encasing it some other object. It would not require the spell to be ready, as it were, before the murder. Unless you're Voldemort and potentially killing people deliberately to split your soul to create a Horcrux.

So that may have been his last minute ditch effort to remain around at the time and leave another backup.

 

[PTeppic]

So that may have been his last minute ditch effort to remain around at the time and leave another backup.

But wouldn't he already be too weak after his attack on Harry. That's, I suppose, the key question. In fact, was he not only still alive because of his pre-existing Horcruxes? As such he was probably not strong enough, without form or substance to action the spell necessary to save the last portion of soul.

 

[MJRevell]

Yeah, there's no logical way that he could have cast a spell after the Harry incident, because he has no body. Otherwise he could have just brought himself back without the need of his rat friend.

 

[Majimaune]

Sorry I havent been in this bit lately but anyone who thinks Harry is a horcrux then they can just *points finger* G-get out! (Lano and Woodley joke).

I'm watching the first HP movie on TV right now. Its on Channel 9.

 

[PadfootandProngs731]

Re: Spoilers: Horcrux (Book 6)

That theory has appeared here and there, but let us not forget, to make a Horcrux you need a death, and Harry's death probally was supposed to be a Horcrux, and Lord Vlodemort did not know he would mark Harry as his equal, therefore the theory that Harry's scar is, in fact, a Horcrux is almost impossible.

So wate, let us think, is there in fact only 5 more Horcuxes out there because Harry's murder was reserved for a Horcrux, but that did not turn out according to plan, henceforth, Voldemort never achieved at making 6 Horcruxes.....??

and dont forget Voldemort used significant deaths to create horcruxes, so he was waiting for Harry's to make a Horcrux, because of the prophecy and all, therefore he wasnt anticipating the backfire of his spell, making Harry as his equal because he didnt hear the last half of the prophecy, so he wouldve made Lily's death a Horcrux because he thought he was gfoing to get Harry...

 

[Dave]

Re: Spoilers: Horcrux (Book 6)

I follow your reasoning Padfoot, but it seems overly complicated to me. These are still stories aimed at eleven-year olds, are they not? I think the explanation is going to be much simpler than that. I'm sure there is a good explanation though as JKR has said she wrote the final chapter years ago.

 

[Koopa]

Re: Spoilers: Horcrux (Book 6)

i say harry is not a horcrux for several reasons
1) Voldy actively tried to kill harry aka a part of his own soul if the theory is right. (granted he may not know harry is a horcrux)
2) Plotwise it seems to difficult to come off with without making a big joke of it.
3) Dumby said harry had a whole soul, i do not see harry sould and a part of Voldy mixing together becoming one.
4) the ending would be predictable, they both have to die simultaneously --> jump in veil or so together.
5) the prophecy states something like one cannot live whilst the other survives. They get to decide who is topdog, who remains and who is a goner. If harry is a horcrux, he cannot remain, or at least that part of him, else Voldy will remain alive as well. Wich means that Harry can not live anyhow, and the the prophecy is worded incorrect. (if assuming that one cannot destroy the horcrux part withing harry without killing harry in the process.

 

[GEBOREN]

Re: Spoilers: Horcrux (Book 6)

harry cannot be a Horcrux, as when he who must not be named uses an animal(livingbeing) as a horcrux dumbledore tells harry this is dangerous as the animal will have a mind of his own, Yet, Voldermort has a Huge amount of control of the animal, and the ability to be the animal as demenstrated by harry's dream of Mr.Weasly therfore he who must not be named cannot have used harry as a horcrux or harry would be suspect to being Controlled by He who must Not be named.

However Voldemort does take over Harry's Body during OTP yet he could not have done this without taking harry's blood due to LOVE in Goblet of fire and so could not have encased his soul in Harry when he was 1 without tha fragment being destroyed

 

[Koopa]

Re: Spoilers: Horcrux (Book 6)

I kinda like the tarot card idea for the remaining horcruxes mentioned on the other thread.

 

[lea27]

Re: Spoilers: Horcrux (Book 6)

If there is a Horcrux in Harry (and this is the first time I've heard that theory - but we did discuss them being inexticably linked in some way last year) then how can harry ever kill Voldemort?

All the Horcrux's need to be anihilated before Voldemort himself can be tackled, and to destroy the Horcrux in Harry first would leave Voldemort the victor.

Please explain how it can work a different way?

exactly if harry was a horcrux as soon as he realises this he will have to sacrifice himself, becoming like a jesus figure.

 

[lea27]

i dont understand how Dumbledore destroyed the Slytherin ring? any ideas?

 

[PTeppic]

I have an inkling we've seen at least one spell for destroying things, but that seems to just smash things up. I get the impression that a magical ring, especially one as powerful as Slytherin's, will take a lot more than a simple "smash" spell.

 

[Koopa]

Re: Spoilers: Horcrux (Book 6)

Harry for Jezus, Harry for Christ, Harry for the son of the holy Father, too bad i think that if God did exist he is an as-shole, after all we are suppossedly created in his own image.

Can the horcrux theory get any more insane.

 

[Koopa]

Here is my boot, and there is the ring, now I step on it