Horcruxes. The remaining.

Re: Spoilers: Horcrux (Book 6)

I posted that quite a while ago - almost 2 years - and since then I've become sure that the Scar is either a Horcrux, or the result of a failed Horcrux; overcome by Lilly's love for her son. If it is a failed Horcrux then it will somehow be a way to get at Voldemort, and the mechanism will undoubtedly be explained at length. If it is an actual Horcrux, then the only solution I see is for Voldy and Harry to both die in some kind of final battle at the end of the book. I've read some other good arguments that the Scar is not a Horcrux though - read the other newer thread - so I may well be wrong, and I have no inside knowledge.
 
Ahhhhhggg where has this thread gone to? I havent looked at it for ages. Whats been happening? Give me a rundown.
 
Majimaune said:
What are the remaining horcruxes. Mine would be (I'll just put up all of them so that I don't get confussed.
  1. Slytherins ring (destroyed)
  2. The diary (destroyed)
  3. Slytherins locket (destroyed)
  4. Hufflepuff's cup
  5. Something of Ravenclaw's
  6. Voldemorts snake
  7. Voldie himself.
The is nothing there of Griffindors because the only known things left are the Sorting Hat and the Sword.
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something of ravenclaws or gryffindors
 
I didnt read all of the posts here because there are a gazaillion, but my thoughts are the same as Majimaune except for the snake because I don't believe that Voldemort would put a horcrux in something that is living because he fears death above all else. And he would know that the snake is mortal and when the snake dies (either naturally or some other cause) then his horcrux is gone. Also, as for the locket I don't think it is destroyed but I think it is the locket that Harry and the others found when they were cleaning out the cabinet in Sirius' house in book 5. It says they found a locket but were unable to open it. I think R.A.B., Sirius' brother or cousin (I can't think of their relation) took the locket to Grimauld Place and maybe died before he could figure out how to destroy it and that's how it ended up in the cabient. As for it's where abouts now, who knows where it is? Maybe Kreacher took it or maybe Dung took it and tried to sell it. But I think Harry will have to track it down and destroy it. I think that the thing in place of the snake is something of Gryffindor's so that way all four houses are represented.
 
Riker said:
but my thoughts are the same as Majimaune except for the snake because I don't believe that Voldemort would put a horcrux in something that is living because he fears death above all else. And he would know that the snake is mortal and when the snake dies (either naturally or some other cause) then his horcrux is gone.
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Someone agrees with me yay!! Thats actually a good point that I never thought of. THat Voldie wouldnt use a live thing. Maybe he made the Riddle House a horcrux but I dont think so because that would give him a link to the muggles who he hates.
Riker said:
Also, as for the locket I don't think it is destroyed but I think it is the locket that Harry and the others found when they were cleaning out the cabinet in Sirius' house in book 5. It says they found a locket but were unable to open it. I think R.A.B., Sirius' brother or cousin (I can't think of their relation) took the locket to Grimauld Place and maybe died before he could figure out how to destroy it and that's how it ended up in the cabient. As for it's where abouts now, who knows where it is? Maybe Kreacher took it or maybe Dung took it and tried to sell it. But I think Harry will have to track it down and destroy it.
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Hmmm that is very possible. He could have to track it down but I think it was destroyed.

The Upright Man said:
something of ravenclaws or gryffindors
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The reason I didnt say Gryphendor is because the only known things of his are the sword and the sorting hat. I said that before. Or at least I think I did.
 
That was very clearly possession; Tom Riddle was a memory of Voldermort, and only part of a Horcrux, with limited power himself.
 
Sorry, but it doesn't have any legs to stand on. Voldermort would have had to imbue a part of his soul into Ginny himself. Tom Riddle, the memory, had no real power, and was only a shadow of Lord Voldermort's past; this is more than evident by the fact that he could not truly harm Harry in this form. Also, Voldermort would have created all seven Horcruxes prior to the Chamber of Secrets on the time line. The Diary was destroyed, and with it one of the horcruxes; Ginny was possessed, nothing more.
 
ther was no stopping the diary riddle from using her as a horcrux, as the diary riddle hadnt known of any other, therfore he could start agen

itll be dividing a 7th, not from the original soul but a split of the slipt 1 (diary riddle) dont u c
 
No, I don't see, the idea is ridiculous. Sorry for being so blunt, but it makes absolutely no sense. The diary couldn't have split the Horcrux, as the diary itself (and Riddle) had no power save being able to possess its reader. Acting as Voldermort's agent, Ginny hadn't actually killed anyone, and therefore no other Horcrux could have been made. I love the idea of developing theories about who/what the horcruxes are, but this particular theory has no weight whatsoever.
 
commonmind, i think not, more like uncommon.

it is truly possible as jk herself has said there is no boundaries to what voldie can do using magic. so it seems likely that voldie own soul would have the power to split it with the correct knowledge of doing so. also with the ginny not killing anyone, voldie diary dude couldve been using her death to make the horcrux, jk never stated that it would have to be an instantaneous death to work. so ha boo *rasp* :p
 
It not only doesn't seem likely, but nothing of what JK said eludes to that point. Voldermort has almost limitless abilities with magic, not the part of his memory trapped inside the diary; for the third time, Tom Riddle (the memory) had absolutely no power, none, nada, zilch, zip. The only ability he had was to instill a piece of himself in Ginny's consciousness, that was all. As you continue defending this wild theory, it expands more and more, so that now you're telling me the (possible) imminent death of Ginny will cause her to become the horcrux - so she is both the death and the horcrux itself, a completely paradoxical concept. If she dies to become the horcrux her death also is the destruction of that horcrux. Even if we entertained the idea that Tom Riddle was a tangible part of Voldermort's soul and did possess some of Voldermort's powers, the Voldermort of current chronology had not achieved power again until the end of Goblet, he was still brittle and unable to do much beyond commanding others to do his bidding; one can then assume, that Tom Riddle was equally powerless (though no assumption be need made as it's clear to anyone that paid attention to the books).

Ok, this is obviously one of those types of conversations that will end up turning into an endless debate so no more replies from me. The idea is ludicrous, and again, has no legs to stand on. I'm also not a fan of insults.
 
not rele, i see ur point on a never ending debate, but upon her death she will be an inanimate object, therfore is the perfect candidate for 1, for example, her parents take her body home and bury her, that way voldies soul will become untouched for hundreds of years etc..
 
The destruction of an inanimate object means its breakage, the destruction of a living thing is its death. Again, no dice. If Voldermort could have resided in dead bodies, he would not have had such a hard time in the first place, let alone he could have easily entered Lily or James after having failed killing Harry.
 
I agree with Commonmind when he says that Tom Riddle's objective was to posses Ginny and not to make a horcrux nor even have the power to make a horcrux. Upright, if your theory were true that Tom Riddle was indeed trying to make a horcrux out of Ginny then why wouldn't Voldemort have made more diary like horcruxes so that all of his horcruxes could make more horcruxes. Then he would have a lot more than seven horcruxes and would never have to fear death as they would just keep being made by the horcruxes themselves.

Another thing to mention is that a horcrux is part of the wizard's soul cast into an object from a death caused by the wizard. In order to directly cause a death someone must have a body to hold a wand and say out loud (or say in your head) the incantation for death. Even to cause a non wizard like death, for example shooting someone, then you still must have a body and be able to hold the gun. Now if a horcrux is part of the wizard's soul, then it is not physical and therefore can not cause a death. It can order someone else to cause a death but can not on its own cause a death. And if a death is required to make a horcrux then the immaterial soul can not make a horcrux. So in the end, Tom Riddle could not have been trying to make a horcrux.
 
There's also the issue that the diary version of Voldemort was only as powerful as he himself had been at 16 or so. We know he was interested in horcruxes, and had murdered (possibly by accident) using the Basilisk. But could he actually create Horcruxes at that age...?
 
I would have to agree with almost everything Commonmind says. I'm sorry Upright Man but I just think that it is mor plausable.
 
I'm not saying it's definite, just plausible. Remember, even at that young age, Tom Riddle had cracked the legend of the CoS and actually found it, when no other wizard or witch could (and don't say that was only because he was the Heir of Slytherin, way too obvious!!).

Ginny also tells Harry that Voldie hadn't possessed her in CoS....

What a can of worms! Thanx for your support, Upright (God knows what these two would make of my major theory, which is that Harry & Hermione are brother and sister!!!!). HONEST they are. Wait & see.
 
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Semantics. It was a possession. And we keep going back to Tom Riddle having been powerful at his age during the time in which he originally opened the CoS, while also forgetting the important fact that, despite this, he was still powerless when he confronted Harry; meaning any arguments as to his ability to support the theory is moot, since it is made quite clear, just by the events at the end of CoS, that Voldermort had to rely on other means to kill Harry, and could not do so himself.
 
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