Sam and . . .

Thanks to the both of you for your support and kind words. And I'll never turn down a chance for hugs!!

Things like that just make my day.

I fully agree with you, Texane, on the passion that people have for this 'issue' (particularly S/J and S/D relationships). I think it goes to a deeper sociological meaning. Change is uncomfortable for us humans. We like our friends and family to behave in a predictable manner. That makes it easier to say 'we *know* them'. When they start making changes and behaving differently, it can be hard to accept. And easy to think, 'I guess I didn't know them that well at all.' So the best course of action, IMHO, is to realize that people are going to grow and change. Those changes are not all for the worst.

We should be glad that the writers and the actors do not allow their characters to become static and two-dimensional. Imagine how boring the show would be if we could completely predict, with absolute certainty, how each character would respond to every situation. As for me, I love complexity. Complexity is exciting.

Speaking of soapboxes. . .

Renee. . .<learning not to be overly sensitive>
 
So people... We can just hunker down and await the reaction to 2010!

Yes, as an anthropologist (primatologist mainly but got P& C background) change is hard for people in general to accept but once accepted (non-acceptance is a different topic) it is incorporated into the actions and beliefs rather quickly and the new position is held rather stubbornly, just as the old was!
 
Hm... its funny that even Tapping seems to think it would upset the balance if something came of Sam and Jack.

I think they probably should though(even though i think most tv romance is annoying), the producers have let it go to far to retreat. I suspect it could create viewer animosity not to.
The group against such a match often surmise that "They are professionals. They wouldn't do it".
Although that may make sense in the army, it doesn't fare all that well outside, or so I should think (granted, being loveless myself perhaps I'm somewhat biased in the other direction). I would think it sick to ignore or supress such feelings, possibly even inhuman (which is where I see the potential for animosity, some people might grow to dislike the characters (Not me I think, It's just TV :) ))

Oh, what a man wasn't Edward Albert Christian George Andrew Patrick David - the man who was born and bred to be the King of England, the Prince of Wales - who happened to fall for a common woman, a common american woman.
He could have her, or be King - those who remember history know that on Dec. 11, 1936 he stepped up to the radio mike and proclaimed <b><i> "I have found it impossible to carry the heavy burden of responsibility and to discharge my duties as King as I would wish to do,without the help and support of the woman I love." </i></b>

Now that kind of sacrifice wouldn't be required of Sam and Jack, though some people seem it would be big. "They love the army!" - I suspect some posters are projecting more of their own belifs into this than what we have seen. I remember actress Ingrid Bergmann said in an interview, that if she was in doubt about a scene, how she should act, she simply put on a blank face and people would project what they thought to be a fitting reaction. Indeed, people often see the world as they are, not as it is. Perhaps that is why I remeber 'A matter of Time' where Sam is upset about the stupid attitude of the army; They don't understand it, so they are going to blow it up. Except of course she manages to be clever in time.

"It's not allowed in the army" - so? That's the easy one... Sam could just resign! Be a civilian again. Why is she in the army? Her father was, sure, and? She did it to please daddy? I doubt it. To show up the guys? 'children of the gods' not withstanding (and I read an interview where she expressed her dislike for the character there), she doesn't strike me as the competitive type - she's clever and wants to persue information for informations sake. (Jack wants to go fishing, and she wants to tinker with an alien reactor (I should think that would be the more interesting thing as well)

But, the reason she joined the army? Well, the impression I got was that she wanted to go to the stars, be an astronaut, and the army might be a shortcut to that? And even if it isn't perhaps she thought so (and her father did get her a good job in the end - just not as good as what she had found on her own!)

In two alternate universes she has chosen not to be military, and while that in no way constitutes statistical proof, it might be an indication of what the writers have in mind.

She resigns from the army, and becomes a technical consultant - like Daniel Jackson (and Teal'c ??)

Simple :D

And in case someone might object, "Why should she resign, why not Jack?" - Oh come on. He's the dunce, if he is in the army he can designate who hides behind which bushes, and who fires at whom - but as a civilian? What would he do? Stand around and insult the aliens?

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Of course he could resign permanently this time, to his little lake in the mountains. She could visit him in her spare time :)
 
shipping wasn't something i ever was really aware of until i started surfing and reading fan fic and realized there's a whole contingent of people dying for them to get together and a whole other contingent dying for them to stay apart.
i second the motion(kindly said please don't take offense) get a life. it's a tv show for cryin out loud.
personally the reassurance of at, rda and brad wright that they won't is enough for me. and i think it helps that both actors are happily ensconced in their own personal relationships...there's no 'dating in real life' garbage.
again in my humble opinion, i think if sam and jack ever wanted to get together, it could happen. they've saved the planet...how many times? that should get them a bit of lee way. and there is one of them resigning. jack could become the next commander and if sam eventually stopped going through the gate and concentrated on lab work...what would be the conflict? (yeah technically he'd be her co but...it'd be a minor conflict) don't start flaming me with quotations of the regulations...it is a tv show and they can take some poetic license.
the fact is, eventually sam's biological clock will tick and she's going to have to make the decision of career or family. now if she eventually stayed planetside she could have both. so could jack both with minimal risk of orphaning families.
and, well they're both getting older(ok not that they're OLD but...there is a chance the day will come when one of them is injured and can't qualify for active duty. then they will be planetside. and...well i'm rambling and probably not making much sense but, if they get together, fine. as long as the relationship isn't 'the show'. and if they don't...in the minds of hundreds of fic writers and fans it's gonna happen, even if it's not in reality.
still ain't gonna let a relationship or lack there of stop me from watching my show.

[Edited by skydiver on 12-13-2000 at 04:06 PM]
 
As for that ticking part . . .

For another really big issue/query: Would you really give up traveling to other planets, finding resources to save your own world and , and meeting new species? Really? Now that you've gotten a taste of it? Could you? Tough question. (No, I didn't mean to ask for another recount in Florida; I was just asking a theoretical question).

And as for us not liking change, Arcane, when you're right, you're right. We here in Texas have been so busy waiting to see who will be president, we haven't even thought about how our state will be run when we get a new governor on January 20th. How about that for a big change! And it will be.

Oh, and I didn't know what "shipping" was either. I had to look around to figure it out.
 
Shipping is not one of my fav. toppics. I ain't fer it. Give me logical reasons why it would happen and .... Will be happier about it near the end of SG-1's TV life. Am worried that if done to soon could have same results as Moonlighting.
 
amen to that. someone else who remembers that colossal blunder. they had a nice long run of ust then runied a perfectly good show by letting them consumate it.
that, jst is my perfect arguement for why sam and jack shouldn't get together until the end.
 
After all these years I still feel ripped off and that is my first reaction to anyone that mentions Moonlighting or Sam and Jack or Sam and (sorry) Danny or Sam and Teal'c.

So it lookes like Sam and a main male character are on the outs for me until near the end until then Davis, Feretti or some civilian (can be alien) as long as she loves him (or it or them)...sorry I do get silly.
 
exactly. i don't mind them having a realtionship...as long as the show isn't the realtionship. it's sci-fi not harlequin for cryin out loud
 
Um . . . I REALLY hated Moonlighting (and Bruce Willis particularly at the time; he was such an as_).
 
i just saw absolute power. who was that lucious tok'ra? was that aldwin? or did he even have a name?
i hope he comes back cause if he does we have another contestant for sam & ____.
(and if she doesn't take him, i will)
 
Yep, the Tok'ra was definately Aldwin, from Jolinars Memories (?) and Devil You Know. Altho his hair seems to have changed from brown to black, i thought he was kewl. :D

But, come on, after all he's been through, and that touching speech in Divide and Conquer, don't you think Martouf deserves a little affection from Sam, when he's clearly in love with her? And especially those eyes... How can anyone resist?! Military training i suppose...! ;)
 
To tell you the truth, the possibility of Sam and Davis never crossed my mind. But I will be honest, and no shoes please, I am a shipper. S/J all the way, but I dont want it to take over the show. I really dont think that Sam and Aldwin would be good together, although he is cute. Just my opinion, and I agree with whoever said (sorry dont remember who said it) that they've gone too far with the S/J thing to turn back.
 
I am totally against Sam and Jack having a relationship, it would make things way to complicated. but my own personal opinion says that sam and marty would have made a great couple. darn zatarcs.
 
OOPS,I just noticed...

Jad69 and kelsi,

I just noticed that you are followed around by aliens....'

In Stargate General Discussions we have a thread called ~ alien. When you name the new ones pop over and let us know what you have named them, Please.

I thought Sam and Martouf would be great ... then they

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Now I am routing for Major Davis or at the final SG-1 scene..a ustfilled look from Sam and Jack.
 
okay, i just did, and i now know what that huge big thread is about.
 
Do the words Total Insanity spring to mind, perhaps?
 
nope, that happened when i saw the post in the chit chat section 'welcome martouf'.
but it is great how such a simple topic can last so long!
 
I know that you and your three will help in the legnth department!
 
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