9th Chevron

[PTeppic]

As I hav eposted on another thread (where I think I repeated my own question!), MS Encarta states the Milky Way is about 100,000 light years in diameter.

[Light Year = 5.8 million million miles]

 

[Jedispara]

Originally posted by shazstar
I did an assessment task for physics last year on Edwin Hubble, and if you look him up online there are HEAPS of addressess and links which refer to his work on the expanding universe. I am fairly sure I remember, one of these give a ~value for the rate of expansion and current size.

can you find that out, please???

 

[PTeppic]

Originally posted by Jedispara
can you find that out, please???

I think the information about the links was a prompt for people to do their OWN research

 

[Jedispara]

okok... sorry i'm kinda busy here. doing reshearch and posting....

 

[shazstar]

Sorry Jedispara and Pteppic, forgot all about it.

Ok, basically, I have looked up a few sites, and there is one i just found that explains alot, also relating to a few other theories used in some other threads.

http://www.sciam.com/specialissues/0398cosmos/0398peebles.html

This next one is even better, from the same source, but gives some values.

http://www.sciam.com/specialissues/0398cosmos/0398freedman.html

Also on these two there a various links.

 

[shazstar]

Also on the Scientific American, I ran a search that cam back with a few results worth checking out, I just did a basic, "size of the milky way" search.

http://www.sciam.com/index.cfm

 

[Ko'or Oragahn]

Yub yub !

Sorry, but I have to get back about the 8th chevron.

I don't really know if each HDD located on planets within the milkyway network has the same glyphs placed in the same manner, but how can an 8th chevron redirect to a place outside the galaxy since the glyphs refer to constellations belonging to the milkyway ?

Is this a bridge that must be interpreted as an entry/exit vector between two galaxies ?

I'm fairly lost.

Note : I didn't see the episode that involved the 8th chevron. I don't even know what the door looked like.

 

[PTeppic]

The mechanism of how the 8th chevron works is quite blurry. Extra power was supplied to the gate, and the seventh glyph was NOT the point of origin. So, technically, since the 8th WAS the point-of-origin, it is the 7th which is the "distance vector", or whatever it is.

There is much debate, but perhaps insuffiucient canon evidence to say how it works.

 

[shazstar]

It has been debated that the use of the 8th chevron increases the radius of the "gate" signal range (note: see thread Gates - all in contact?') and possibly, as pteppic suggested, includes an extra distance vector to theoretically bridge a gap between galaxies or out of radius gate systems.

 

[Jedispara]

well i mean what other options are there??? i mean it could be a gate into other universes... but i mean what esle is there?

 

[Shaun]

There are probably millions of ideas and concepts that our brains can not comprehend at this point in time (and indeed may never will.) But that doesn't mean they don't exist.

 

[Tiberius]

Seriously, there would need to be a near-infinite energy source for any of these theories to work. Controlled time-travel? Alternate Universes? If It takes so much energy to dial an 8th Chevron, how much will it take to dial nine AND break through the time barrier/alt. universe barier?

 

[PTeppic]

Not necessarily.
Since we don't really have much current physics evidence to say how much energy is required to cross between the current 4 dimensions into the other 7/11/etc (depending on current theory) of the regular universe, it is difficult to say if the SG-1 universe is any different.

Similarly who can possibly say how much it takes to find an alternate universe. There are no large power sources for the mirror on P3R-232, so it can't take THAT much energy.

 

[Jedispara]

good point...

 

[Unas]

The Milky Way galaxy is about 100,000 light years in diameter. The nearest galaxy (Andromeda) is about 2,200,000 light years away. So it makes sense that since the nearest galaxy is over 20 times farther, it would take at least 20 times as much energy to dial other galaxies (which, if I remember right, is pretty close to the amount of energy required to dial with chevron #8).

Continuing with this line of reasoning, the nearest galactic cluster/supercluster is the Virgo Cluster, somewhere between 50 million and 60 million light years away. If chevron #9 is used as yet another distance calculation to dial other clusters and superclusters, as suggested earlier, then this chevron must require at least 500 or 600 times as much energy as a typical 7-chevron dialing.

 

[PTeppic]

It does obviously take SOME extra power to reach the Ida galaxy, but since the gates are going via alternate dimensions, in addition to our own, we can't really make linear assumptions about distance through those dimensions.

Theoretically the Ida galaxy could be closer through those other dimensions than the moon, OR 1000 times further than the relative distance in our own dimensions. We simply don't know.

 

[Dr.Jackson]

Originally posted by PTeppic
Not necessarily....
There are no large power sources for the mirror on P3R-232, so it can't take THAT much energy.

But as we've seen from Learning Curve, a very powerful Naqhadah reactor can be pretty small, so why can't an amazingly advanced race create a super-powerful and yet small power source for the mirror?

It could, however, be that the same amount of energy needed to engage the 8th chevron would be the same amount needed to engage the 9th chevron.

Just a thought.

 

[PTeppic]

Very true.

This (trans-dimensional travel) is using physics which is barely out of the theoretical stage, so we have no real figures to use. When it comes to this issue, unless the script-writers decide to help us out, we are going to (probably) have to leave it as "we don't and can't know".

 

[leprykawn]

Originally posted by PTeppic
The mechanism of how the 8th chevron works is quite blurry. Extra power was supplied to the gate, and the seventh glyph was NOT the point of origin.

Are you sure about this???

Does this mean that the use of the 8th Chevron makes the point-of-origin glyph variable as a function of whether you use an eight chevron???

 

[Dr.Jackson]

I'd have to agree with PTeppic, the mechanism of how the 8th chevron works is not really clear.

The Point Of Origin glyph is a constant, it is the number of glyphs preceding it that is a variable, be it six or seven, or even eight. The P.O.O. glyph has to be the last one entered in order for the final connection, or calculation to be made.
Therefor, only the position, not the function of the P.O.O. glyph is a variable.

Or am I making no sense?