5.22: Revelations

[Krystal]

The episode was great but as other persons have mention in newsgroups it doesn't look like a Season Finale episode. Anyway was very cool. The old specimen of the asgards was very strange, and more tall than the new clones. As for Anubis, he looks like a version too of Mabus of First Wave when he doesn't show his looks. I enjoy Jack reaction to the explanation of the experiments on the planet laboratory. It was hilarious. Looking forward to see what more advance things Anubis have, it brings new possibilities to the war against the goauld's and their enemies. The breeze at the end was a nice touch.

Krystal

 

[PTeppic]

Originally posted by Indiana
After a look at Johnathan Glassners credits on IMDB I discovered he left Stargate to work on this:
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0220238

These blokes sure do get around: also listed under Directors for this series are Martin Wood (SG-1) and Bruce Seth Green (Buffy), and they were just the ones I recognised.

[And just heading way off topic, sorry]
Okay, just looking, they also had directors including Adam Nimoy (well known dad, and himself director on eps of ST:TNG, B5, Sliders, Outer Limits, and er, Ally McBeal) and Jeff Woolnough (SG-1 "Emancipation", Outer Limits, Dark Angel)

 

[Hatshepsut]

Originally posted by Krystal
The breeze at the end was a nice touch.

I understand that, at the end, Jack said, "Goodnight Daniel" - but it was cut...

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
--

 

[angelle myst]

And i thought Meridian was bad! I don't even think this ep is worth speaking about, i just watched it for the first time, and, to say i was disappointed would be an understatement.

xxx:aliengray
"The Unstable One"

 

[skoon]

Originally posted by Indiana
I wish I could find that Apophricialtor image. It's so cool

sorry haven't read through yet (don't know how I ever missed the S5 threads) but here's well my pic, don't know if it's the one you were thinking of I've posted it several times on different threads.

 

[skoon]

skoon let's aout DEEP breath, pheeww, finally finished reading all the posts:

OK, I pictured Anubis as being an Unas under ther, he's really old right? & Unas were one of the first host. But I really like the suggestion by Leprykawn that maybe he's Asgard. Maybe he's a ticked off G-Asgard who doesnt' want the Asgard resuch to succeed, since they are a dieing race. That would explain why they were serching so hard for the lab? I live your expression Indian "Gimp in a nighty" I laughed my tummy to pain! I really liked this ep. & thought it one of the best of the season (after much disapointment, though I did find bits here & there in all S6 eps that I did like). I didn't like the end of course. I felt it was climbing up to something big & spectacular & then...as Jack says something like, What that's it, it's over. Splat goes Skoon on the floor! I was really happy with the fact that they did address Danny though. My biggest concern was that they killed off Danny & the next show, oh well nothing happened, we are just 3 instead of 4. I thought it was handled well, especially Sam & Jack's two different ways of dealing...or not dealling with it. My favourite part was Sam talking to Teal'c saying something to the affect of, 'don't give me that hard soldier ****, I've got enough from Jack'.

I liked the emotional conflic that was going on, & though at first I thought it over done that first Sam sees Jack pass out & there's nothing she can do becasue she's not on the ship with him & then Jack sees Sam get zatted & theres nothing he can do. But then I got to thinking that maybe this was to , hmmm how to I put my thoughts in to words...'the Team' has been having conflics of late even before Danny left, but now with Them seeing each other (Teal'c too sees same) in peril & not being able to help each other, the team seems to come back together at the end (going for dinner) including Danny's little breeze by assuring Jack that, it's OK your team will be one again even with me gone.

Anyhoo, someone, I think Indiana mentioned back-engineering and replicating copies of stuff got me to thinking. What if they fix Reese or figure out how she works & create replicators that can replicat things for them so they don't have to back-engineer stuff? Just a thought...of course that would be too much like the replicator in StarTrek...

And onto Anni's commebt about Osiris, I like the crazy & despotic ruler bit & your questioning her of ever being strong enough . Perhaps this is how He the symbiot was first put away in a jar with his mate (can't remeber she was), & also probably why He/she now serves Anubis. Ain't strong enough. I love the Craziness, keep her alive!!!

 

[skoon]

OK I just watched it again. When Teal'c & Jack are in the cell Jack says "I can't believe they took my watch" but then for the rest of the show including them breaking out of the cell, he has his watch on!!!

 

[leprykawn]

My GOD, you're REALLLY nitpicking aren't you??!!!?!?

 

[skoon]

Originally posted by leprykawn
My GOD, you're REALLLY nitpicking aren't you??!!!?!?

no not usually. It's just it's soooooo obvious that he still has his watch on!

 

[webmouse]

If it is obvious enough that Skoon noticed it without having to run the ep multiple times and frame by frame, then it isn't nitpicking at all. It is a failure of continuity. There's supposed to be someone in post-production to catch those things, but it happens all the time, both on TV and film.

Just one of the delights of being observant. Me -- I've got Attention Deficit Disorder so a lot of those things go right by me. Well, until later when I realize that something is nagging at me and I start watching the ep multiple times frame by frame . . .

 

[PTeppic]

Originally posted by skoon
OK I just watched it again. When Teal'c & Jack are in the cell Jack says "I can't believe they took my watch" but then for the rest of the show including them breaking out of the cell, he has his watch on!!!

Sorry - no he doesn't!

Even still in the cell, only seconds after saying the Goa'uld took his watch, you can see it is a medium width bracelet of some kind, but with no watch face. It is this which is visible on Jack's left wrist for the remainder of the episode.

 

[Sindri]

Regarding the actual revelations in this episode, is it implied that the Asgard have been physically incapable of copulation for a thousand years? This is stated on many boards although it is not implied by the technical terms Heimdall uses.
Being incapable of achieving cell division through meiosis simply means the Asgard are sterile, being unable to produce ovules and sperm. It doesn't itself imply they can no longer have sexual relationships.

Heimdall: "As a race the Asgard reproduce exclusively through a process of enhanced cellular mitosis."
Carter: "Are your serious? You have no other means of propagation?"
Heimdall: "No."
O'Neill: "Carter?"
Carter: "They're clones, sir. All of them."
O'Neill: "Ah. Well, that answers a few questions."
Heimdall: "In fact for nearly a thousand years we have been physically incapable of achieving cell division through meiosis."
Carter: "Sexual reproduction, sir."
O'Neill: "A thousand years?"
Heimdall: "It is not something we usually discuss with other races."

Mitosis and meiosis are just cellular processes to either produce new identical cells or create gametes for sexual reproduction respectively so Heimdall appears to using the terms correctly. It therefore doesn't seem likely he is using meiosis as a euphemism for sexual relationships. From his voice O'Neill's query is obviously concerning physical copulation, I was curious if Heimdall's response implies the Asgard are also incapable of this.

 

[PTeppic]

Would be interesting to know WHY they used cloning - because it perhaps raises ethical questions, such as those from Euronda ("The Other Side").

Also, since I'm not a geneticist - would cloning itself prevent sexual reproduction by cloned off-spring? I had a feeling the infamous "Dolly" the sheep had lambs... If so, the lack of (ahem) more physical methods was either social or for a different reason.

 

[skoon]

as I understood it, they could no longer reproduce & that's why they turned to cloning & since they already couldn't repoduce neither would the clone have the ability?

 

[beckmen]

I think they started cloning to find immortality. Not sure how they managed to not have like 20000000000000 percent population growth since if they are immortal the population just goes up up up.

 

[PTeppic]

Maybe they lost their male fertility rate, as humans are doing (certainly in the UK) as a result (probably) of water- and food-borne oestrogens.

 

[Tapestry_03]

Can I just ask what was up with their voices? Other than Thor they all sounded like Goa'uld! Is it just me, or did anyone else notice this?

 

[PTeppic]

It's probably other members of the cast, so they're trying to slightly hide their own natural vocal tones.

I know Teryl Rothery (Dr. Fraiser) does Heimdall.

 

[webmouse]

Originally posted by PTeppic
Also, since I'm not a geneticist - would cloning itself prevent sexual reproduction by cloned off-spring? I had a feeling the infamous "Dolly" the sheep had lambs... If so, the lack of (ahem) more physical methods was either social or for a different reason.

At our present understanding of cloning, the technique produces an identical twin to the one donating the genetic material. Since twins breed the same as everyone else, there is no reason why clones could not or should not reproduce the old fashioned way.

It is possible that some anomaly can creep into the process, producing a clone incapable of reproduction -- and the world is full of uncloned people who also have reproductive difficulties.

The Asguard seem to have created bodies which depend on cloning rather sexual reproduction. If sex was not important to them (they really are alien beings aren't they :blush: ?) then they may have created bodies with out the necessary organs and hormones for sexual reproduction.

Silly Asguard!