5.22: Revelations
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because as much as i would absolutely DREAD this storyline...it falls into a typical myth/quest scenario.
danny 'dies'...and in dying he gains a power. a power he likely doesn't understand. this power however puts him on a more equal ground with the main baddie...in this case anubis.
thus eventually leading to a stereotyhpical good vs evil showdown.
me personally...if i want this kind of stuff...that's what lord of the rings is for. i like the more mundane wiht a dash of the supernatural to spice things up...if they go this way...i dunno. i really hope i'm totally off base but it's a thought i've had ever since the whole harcesis thing came up.
danny's search for shau'ri fits in with the mythical quest bit...and shifu fits in with the 'destiny' bit. sam, jack, teal'c, hammond...all fit in with the 'companion' roles you see in LOTR or the fantasy books i like 'the belgariad' and 'the mallorean'
reluctant hero goes on a quest that was prophecied before he was even born, with his companions at his side. each of these companions bring something to the quest...at some point each of them save thequest by their actions...and it's all leading down to the knock down, drag out to the death battle between good and evil.
the simple appearance of anubis is sorta leading this way. granted i'm on squinty vision...but that is one dude that does not look human.
i can see how they could take this path (Pun intended) but a part of me hopes they don't. like i said, i'll save my fantasy for my fantasy time
danny 'dies'...and in dying he gains a power. a power he likely doesn't understand. this power however puts him on a more equal ground with the main baddie...in this case anubis.
thus eventually leading to a stereotyhpical good vs evil showdown.
me personally...if i want this kind of stuff...that's what lord of the rings is for. i like the more mundane wiht a dash of the supernatural to spice things up...if they go this way...i dunno. i really hope i'm totally off base but it's a thought i've had ever since the whole harcesis thing came up.
danny's search for shau'ri fits in with the mythical quest bit...and shifu fits in with the 'destiny' bit. sam, jack, teal'c, hammond...all fit in with the 'companion' roles you see in LOTR or the fantasy books i like 'the belgariad' and 'the mallorean'
reluctant hero goes on a quest that was prophecied before he was even born, with his companions at his side. each of these companions bring something to the quest...at some point each of them save thequest by their actions...and it's all leading down to the knock down, drag out to the death battle between good and evil.
the simple appearance of anubis is sorta leading this way. granted i'm on squinty vision...but that is one dude that does not look human.
i can see how they could take this path (Pun intended) but a part of me hopes they don't. like i said, i'll save my fantasy for my fantasy time
shu_hunter
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Y'know, you guys can download the episode from www.sg1archive.net . I did. It was ok, but I'm not going to answer any of the questions about the supposed hybrid, or the revived Appophis, or stuff like that. I didn't get the ending the first time, though, so when you see it, think of Daniel. It doesn't really make sense, but at least you're not sitting there at the end thinking, "what the heck?!!" like I did.
The beginning was great, there's no Daniel, and the end doesn't make any real sense.
~Shu Hunter
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P.S. I think sg1archive's closed on the weekends, but I'm not sure. It was last weekend.
The beginning was great, there's no Daniel, and the end doesn't make any real sense.
~Shu Hunter
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P.S. I think sg1archive's closed on the weekends, but I'm not sure. It was last weekend.
Scifi and fantasy
I see what you're saying. Personally, I am not a fantasy fan so the more unexplained pull-it-out-of-a-hat-magic thrown in, the more I groan as this is my scifi, wah. However, now that they've invested whole hog in the supernatural way, those of us, including me, who would've preferred DJ depart in a car rather than in a burst of light can't help but wonder - what's to become of DJ? What did DJ become?
Sometimes the line between scifi and fantasy is very blurred. e.g., I've always questioned whether George Lucas threw in the information about the "midi-chlorians" in Phantom Menace to explain the Force in order to keep it more scifi and less fantasy and also to keep it from being thought of as a type of religion. Keeping that in mind, are Oma and her people merely thought of as more evolved, not necessarily supernatural? And who knows, did some type of extremely advanced technology get them there? [funny they didn't end up acting like the "Q-Continuum" on ST:TNG though). Like they say, when it gets that advanced, it seems like magic.
I was not a fan of the Harcesis child scenario. I suspected that it would lead to more of the same as they made a point of making a point about Daniel's next step. That's when I got confused and perhaps that's what I don't like. With more concrete plotlines, you can see where things might be going - several possibilities. But when they start talking the metaphysical, I tune out. I suppose those mysterious riddles are brought up to lay the groundwork for the future, but I'm still scratching my head.
This is all moot, isn't it? Meridian had a tender ending and lots of fans liked it; that's what counts. And Revelations introduced some curious tidbits that can definitely be expanded on.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this subject with me. I find it interesting.
- O
"....skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been." - Wayne Gretzky
I see what you're saying. Personally, I am not a fantasy fan so the more unexplained pull-it-out-of-a-hat-magic thrown in, the more I groan as this is my scifi, wah. However, now that they've invested whole hog in the supernatural way, those of us, including me, who would've preferred DJ depart in a car rather than in a burst of light can't help but wonder - what's to become of DJ? What did DJ become?
Sometimes the line between scifi and fantasy is very blurred. e.g., I've always questioned whether George Lucas threw in the information about the "midi-chlorians" in Phantom Menace to explain the Force in order to keep it more scifi and less fantasy and also to keep it from being thought of as a type of religion. Keeping that in mind, are Oma and her people merely thought of as more evolved, not necessarily supernatural? And who knows, did some type of extremely advanced technology get them there? [funny they didn't end up acting like the "Q-Continuum" on ST:TNG though). Like they say, when it gets that advanced, it seems like magic.
I was not a fan of the Harcesis child scenario. I suspected that it would lead to more of the same as they made a point of making a point about Daniel's next step. That's when I got confused and perhaps that's what I don't like. With more concrete plotlines, you can see where things might be going - several possibilities. But when they start talking the metaphysical, I tune out. I suppose those mysterious riddles are brought up to lay the groundwork for the future, but I'm still scratching my head.
This is all moot, isn't it? Meridian had a tender ending and lots of fans liked it; that's what counts. And Revelations introduced some curious tidbits that can definitely be expanded on.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this subject with me. I find it interesting.
- O
"....skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been." - Wayne Gretzky
The idea about Ascension is taken from The Buddhist Religion. When we first encountered Oma it was in the S3 eppy, Maternal Instinct. Oma wasn't enlightened. She was merely a god. In Buddhism, once somebody has been enlightened, they cannot return to their old life after death. However, it is possible for Buddhists to "ascend" I suppose is a good enough word. They are not enlightened, but they do know a lot and are there to help anyone else who chooses the path of Enlightenment.
My two cents:
It was a fairly decent ending up until the end. It cleared up a lot of questions about the Asgaard, introduced the new Big Bad, had some good special effects, and mercifully, was shipper/conspiracy free.
However, that last scene in Revelations was completely stupid. They should have just killed him off permanently. How am I supposed to take the show seriously as a Scifi/Actioner when they have a ghost living in the air conditioning vents? BTW, since Daniel's supposed to be on a higher plane of existence now, you'd think he'd have better things to do than float around the SGC ventilation system.
Also, I found all that "we miss Daniel, the team is ruined" stuff a bit much. Where was all this feeling during the last two seasons? The reason Shanks left is because the producers told him his character "wasn't worth an upgrade". The man barely had 3 lines an episode for much of season 5 and the rest of the 'team' (especially Sam and Jack) wouldn't give him the time of day. All of a sudden they're heartbroken at his loss?
TPTB deliberately focused on the S/J romance, NID and earthbound stories and demoted Daniel from co-lead to a glorified extra. NOW they give us an episode with off-planet travel, aliens, and teamwork. Too little, too late IMHO.
(Visit www.savedanieljackson.com for the full story.)
It was a fairly decent ending up until the end. It cleared up a lot of questions about the Asgaard, introduced the new Big Bad, had some good special effects, and mercifully, was shipper/conspiracy free.
However, that last scene in Revelations was completely stupid. They should have just killed him off permanently. How am I supposed to take the show seriously as a Scifi/Actioner when they have a ghost living in the air conditioning vents? BTW, since Daniel's supposed to be on a higher plane of existence now, you'd think he'd have better things to do than float around the SGC ventilation system.
Also, I found all that "we miss Daniel, the team is ruined" stuff a bit much. Where was all this feeling during the last two seasons? The reason Shanks left is because the producers told him his character "wasn't worth an upgrade". The man barely had 3 lines an episode for much of season 5 and the rest of the 'team' (especially Sam and Jack) wouldn't give him the time of day. All of a sudden they're heartbroken at his loss?
TPTB deliberately focused on the S/J romance, NID and earthbound stories and demoted Daniel from co-lead to a glorified extra. NOW they give us an episode with off-planet travel, aliens, and teamwork. Too little, too late IMHO.
(Visit www.savedanieljackson.com for the full story.)
Hatshepsut
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A very good two cent's worth there, Jobeth - well worth a good deal more, I'd say. For the record I have just posted my two penn'orth to T.P.T.B. thus:
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Benjamin Disraeli (quondam British Prime Minister) once said, "If I want to read a good book, I write one."
I have now reached a similar point in respect of ‘Stargate S.G.1' which looks set to become as formulaic as ‘Star Trek'. Gung-ho militaristic and conspiracy plots are all very well in moderation, but desperately need some leaven in the mix. The intelligent and (com)passionate character of Dr. Daniel Jackson, provided scriptwriters with great scope for a far wider range of interesting and original storylines.
I loved his independent spirit, his childlike curiosity and his enthusiasm. I also liked the way that violence was always - well usually - a last resort with him, rather than a first one, yet he wasn't a pedantic pacifist and was prepared to get stuck in when the need arose, even if he wasn't terribly good at it.
Consequently, I was very sad to learn of his departure, leaving the rest to boldly go where no man had gone before - and shoot things - with no one to say, "Unless we want to give ourselves a bad reputation, I think we should avoid shooting the first people we meet on a new planet." Fighters are ‘ten a penny'; complex characters like Daniel are rare and valuable assets. Without him, the dynamics and balance of the team are irrevocably lost.
At first, I accepted the official line that he had left to pursue other projects. When I heard that his reasons for leaving were consistent with my own dissatisfaction with the direction the programme was taking, I was just a trifle incandescent...
Introducing a new character at this late stage to fill the void left by Daniel's unique talents does no one any favours. Any character needs time and a great deal of talent to develop the stature that Dr. Jackson had. The only viable solution is the return of the said doctor. Clearly, returning in the manner of Orlin cannot be repeated. If the present scriptwriters have run out of ideas, there are plenty of other imaginative and talented writers out here in the big wide world.
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One *hopes* they got the message, but really, I despair...
:dead:
Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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Benjamin Disraeli (quondam British Prime Minister) once said, "If I want to read a good book, I write one."
I have now reached a similar point in respect of ‘Stargate S.G.1' which looks set to become as formulaic as ‘Star Trek'. Gung-ho militaristic and conspiracy plots are all very well in moderation, but desperately need some leaven in the mix. The intelligent and (com)passionate character of Dr. Daniel Jackson, provided scriptwriters with great scope for a far wider range of interesting and original storylines.
I loved his independent spirit, his childlike curiosity and his enthusiasm. I also liked the way that violence was always - well usually - a last resort with him, rather than a first one, yet he wasn't a pedantic pacifist and was prepared to get stuck in when the need arose, even if he wasn't terribly good at it.
Consequently, I was very sad to learn of his departure, leaving the rest to boldly go where no man had gone before - and shoot things - with no one to say, "Unless we want to give ourselves a bad reputation, I think we should avoid shooting the first people we meet on a new planet." Fighters are ‘ten a penny'; complex characters like Daniel are rare and valuable assets. Without him, the dynamics and balance of the team are irrevocably lost.
At first, I accepted the official line that he had left to pursue other projects. When I heard that his reasons for leaving were consistent with my own dissatisfaction with the direction the programme was taking, I was just a trifle incandescent...
Introducing a new character at this late stage to fill the void left by Daniel's unique talents does no one any favours. Any character needs time and a great deal of talent to develop the stature that Dr. Jackson had. The only viable solution is the return of the said doctor. Clearly, returning in the manner of Orlin cannot be repeated. If the present scriptwriters have run out of ideas, there are plenty of other imaginative and talented writers out here in the big wide world.
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One *hopes* they got the message, but really, I despair...
:dead: Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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whatever the reasons for ms leaving..they're his reasons. and unless we can turn back time and become a fly on the wall of brad wright's office when he and ms talked...we'll never know the complete, total and objective truth.
sometimes the conspiracy stories can be seen as a drag...but they are a fact of the show that has been a part of it since the nox.
the stargate represents power. power in the allies it helps you make, power in the material you can bring back, power in the tech you can find. imagine the wealth if they found a world with....gold mountains and diamond streams...far fetched but possible. just because certain minerals are rare here...they may not be on other planets.
also imagine the power of forging alliances with races that are more advanced than us. face it, if a race has conquered interstellar space flight...they're pretty advanced...or owning the weapons they can find.
all of this is power. both political and personal.
now imagine that someone has that power and won't let you have any...mankind's greatest folly is that it craves power. mankind craves domination, being the strongest...and the gate is a source of power.
people will want control of that. and if they can't get it directly, they'll get it indirectly.
waaayyy back in WWII and post world war 2, america alone had control of the atom...everyone wanted it. various countries worked long and hard to get a hold of the secret. true they could have eventually figured it out themselves...but stealing it is faster. so they sent spies and they did steal it.
that is another of mankind's follies...we're lazy...why make it when we can steal it
the gate is the same way. it represents power and lots of folks want it...and they'll do whatever they can to get it...and the more they are foiled...the more desperate they'll get and the harder they'll try...as evidenced by how the actions of the NID are getting more and more obvious.
it sucks but if we pretend the gate was real...there'd be no way in heck folks would just sit back and not try to harness that power. i know lots may not like the nid stuff...but it's far, far more realistic a scenario than the 'we're all on the same side and play well together' ideal you see on star trek.
all in all we really haven't advanced much beyond the hairy apes whacking each other over the head for the best piece of meat
sometimes the conspiracy stories can be seen as a drag...but they are a fact of the show that has been a part of it since the nox.
the stargate represents power. power in the allies it helps you make, power in the material you can bring back, power in the tech you can find. imagine the wealth if they found a world with....gold mountains and diamond streams...far fetched but possible. just because certain minerals are rare here...they may not be on other planets.
also imagine the power of forging alliances with races that are more advanced than us. face it, if a race has conquered interstellar space flight...they're pretty advanced...or owning the weapons they can find.
all of this is power. both political and personal.
now imagine that someone has that power and won't let you have any...mankind's greatest folly is that it craves power. mankind craves domination, being the strongest...and the gate is a source of power.
people will want control of that. and if they can't get it directly, they'll get it indirectly.
waaayyy back in WWII and post world war 2, america alone had control of the atom...everyone wanted it. various countries worked long and hard to get a hold of the secret. true they could have eventually figured it out themselves...but stealing it is faster. so they sent spies and they did steal it.
that is another of mankind's follies...we're lazy...why make it when we can steal it
the gate is the same way. it represents power and lots of folks want it...and they'll do whatever they can to get it...and the more they are foiled...the more desperate they'll get and the harder they'll try...as evidenced by how the actions of the NID are getting more and more obvious.
it sucks but if we pretend the gate was real...there'd be no way in heck folks would just sit back and not try to harness that power. i know lots may not like the nid stuff...but it's far, far more realistic a scenario than the 'we're all on the same side and play well together' ideal you see on star trek.
all in all we really haven't advanced much beyond the hairy apes whacking each other over the head for the best piece of meat
Perhaps that little blip in the ventilation system in the final scene was just that - a blip.
But, bearing in mind that Oma was Mother Nature and could control such things as the wind, that draft of wind just reminded Jack of the friend he'd lost. So he smiled as he thought about him...
Oh, and the reason for Anubis's hood - I bet they just haven't cast his character yet!
But, bearing in mind that Oma was Mother Nature and could control such things as the wind, that draft of wind just reminded Jack of the friend he'd lost. So he smiled as he thought about him...
Oh, and the reason for Anubis's hood - I bet they just haven't cast his character yet!
I think that when I first posted almost a year ago, I made the very point that this show is just a mirror of what we, human beings are. What we think and what we do for real in the world.
Everything that the writers and producers do which makes the enemy, in this case the Goa'uld, amoral, cruel and despotic is merely a reflection of our own very human attributes.
It is human nature to be lazy...especially now, when we have no need to be vigilant and see to our own survival and the survival of the species in the same way as we did even a thousand years ago. We have lost the ability to see to ourselves and we allow governments and those we perceive to be stronger or more powerful than we are to do it for us.
We do exactly what the Goa'uld do..... we steal technology from each others' countries rather than invent and develop because it's a darn sight easier to do that. We are all capable of huge cruelties and inflicting pain. Hitler, Pol Pot, Vlad the Impaler to name but three in a myriad of despots and dictators which have proliferated in society over the millennia spring to mind, but there are many many more. All have inflicted the very kinds of suffering on their own kind as well as the other species on this planet as the writers portray as being the attributes of the Goa'uld. We are in fact loathing a mirror image of ourselves if we hate them.
All did it because they believed that they were superior and that anything/anyone else is vastly inferior fit only for slavery.
Does that ring a bell with anyone?
Even the cannibalism which was portrayed in the Summit episode is something which we ourselves once indulged in..... and in some parts of the world it is still a practice.
Therefore although I dislike the NID storylines because they are slightly boring and it irks me that shiny white SG1 constantly win through (no change there then!), I agree with Sky that they are a necessary part of the continuing storyline. There would be people on this planet with an agenda and they would constantly try to chip away at the security and secrecy surrounding something like the Stargate.
I just don't want these to occupy as much time as they often appear to have. It should be more a thin thread running through the entire story arc. And in a way the producers did try to do that, but in my opinion got slightly carried away!
Despite our cultural taboos and distaste for the atrocities committed by our own kind, we are not so different from primal human beings..... scratch the surface veneer of our 'civiisation' and you will find primal man......... ready to kill, maim and destroy in order to survive. The only difference now being that we do it with a smile pasted on and our hand with the club behind our back. Diplomacy is saying 'nice doggie' while you make sure you have a big stick to hit him with.
I think that the Daniel 'fart' was a further sop to those Daniel fans who are in strictest mourning right now. They know that they have offended and upset many of the firm, but rabid fanbase who adored the Daniel character and obviously felt that they should do something to make you all feel better. Gee, Danny is watching over them. My only fear is that in the huge battle with the Goa'uld, which we all know earth couldn't possibly win despite SG1's godlike status, the odds will be tipped in earth's favour by the appearance of flights of mighty Cherubim (the angelic warriors of god) headed by St Daniel of Desala.
If they do that..... then I will personally send Brad Wright, RDA and anyone who is involved with the show to the top of my hit list. They should leave it....as in any good science fiction, with a huge question hanging over the whole issue.
Humans don't flourish when they don't have a challenge or a fight on their hands. To have such an easy solution on hand is too pat and too hard for someone like me to swallow..... but I guess the average viewer will be quite happy to see the goodies win and the baddies bite the dust. But if we are talking about the vaguest idea of reality, life ain't like that. And before someone starts wittering on about it being a TV show, please remember, that the genre of Sci Fi came about because people questioned what was 'out there'. Sci Fi is not a fairytale or a soap opera....it's about the what if's and maybes of our lives and is closely related to real life.
If you want sheer unadulaterated romance and sex, then go watch a soap.
Murff may be right..... I hope he/she is..... that Jack just smiled in remembrance of his friend. That would be so much more palatable and less tacky than the idea than Daniel is wandering like a lost soul around the corridors of the SGC just waiting for a chance to make contact or protect.
Everything that the writers and producers do which makes the enemy, in this case the Goa'uld, amoral, cruel and despotic is merely a reflection of our own very human attributes.
It is human nature to be lazy...especially now, when we have no need to be vigilant and see to our own survival and the survival of the species in the same way as we did even a thousand years ago. We have lost the ability to see to ourselves and we allow governments and those we perceive to be stronger or more powerful than we are to do it for us.
We do exactly what the Goa'uld do..... we steal technology from each others' countries rather than invent and develop because it's a darn sight easier to do that. We are all capable of huge cruelties and inflicting pain. Hitler, Pol Pot, Vlad the Impaler to name but three in a myriad of despots and dictators which have proliferated in society over the millennia spring to mind, but there are many many more. All have inflicted the very kinds of suffering on their own kind as well as the other species on this planet as the writers portray as being the attributes of the Goa'uld. We are in fact loathing a mirror image of ourselves if we hate them.
All did it because they believed that they were superior and that anything/anyone else is vastly inferior fit only for slavery.
Does that ring a bell with anyone?
Even the cannibalism which was portrayed in the Summit episode is something which we ourselves once indulged in..... and in some parts of the world it is still a practice.
Therefore although I dislike the NID storylines because they are slightly boring and it irks me that shiny white SG1 constantly win through (no change there then!), I agree with Sky that they are a necessary part of the continuing storyline. There would be people on this planet with an agenda and they would constantly try to chip away at the security and secrecy surrounding something like the Stargate.
I just don't want these to occupy as much time as they often appear to have. It should be more a thin thread running through the entire story arc. And in a way the producers did try to do that, but in my opinion got slightly carried away!
Despite our cultural taboos and distaste for the atrocities committed by our own kind, we are not so different from primal human beings..... scratch the surface veneer of our 'civiisation' and you will find primal man......... ready to kill, maim and destroy in order to survive. The only difference now being that we do it with a smile pasted on and our hand with the club behind our back. Diplomacy is saying 'nice doggie' while you make sure you have a big stick to hit him with.
I think that the Daniel 'fart' was a further sop to those Daniel fans who are in strictest mourning right now. They know that they have offended and upset many of the firm, but rabid fanbase who adored the Daniel character and obviously felt that they should do something to make you all feel better. Gee, Danny is watching over them. My only fear is that in the huge battle with the Goa'uld, which we all know earth couldn't possibly win despite SG1's godlike status, the odds will be tipped in earth's favour by the appearance of flights of mighty Cherubim (the angelic warriors of god) headed by St Daniel of Desala.
If they do that..... then I will personally send Brad Wright, RDA and anyone who is involved with the show to the top of my hit list. They should leave it....as in any good science fiction, with a huge question hanging over the whole issue.
Humans don't flourish when they don't have a challenge or a fight on their hands. To have such an easy solution on hand is too pat and too hard for someone like me to swallow..... but I guess the average viewer will be quite happy to see the goodies win and the baddies bite the dust. But if we are talking about the vaguest idea of reality, life ain't like that. And before someone starts wittering on about it being a TV show, please remember, that the genre of Sci Fi came about because people questioned what was 'out there'. Sci Fi is not a fairytale or a soap opera....it's about the what if's and maybes of our lives and is closely related to real life.
If you want sheer unadulaterated romance and sex, then go watch a soap.
Murff may be right..... I hope he/she is..... that Jack just smiled in remembrance of his friend. That would be so much more palatable and less tacky than the idea than Daniel is wandering like a lost soul around the corridors of the SGC just waiting for a chance to make contact or protect.
I agree with Anni and Skydiver totally, but as I have said before, the producers of this show made a big mistake of having Apophis' Motherships come to attack Earth at the end of Season 1. That should have been an 'ID4' climax of the series. OK, there are more powerful Goa'ulds still out there, but they cannot just repeat the same story with a different enemy.
Politics was part of this show from the begining, as the reasons Skydiver gave are valid. But as someone else said before, I think it was Anni, we would'nt just sit and steal technology, we would be taking things apart, back-engineering them, and replicating copies of them. The SGC would now be fully armed with zat guns, and powered by an unlimited energy Naquada reactor.
We would have 'moved on'. I do like the character inter-reactions, but while they have been going on, the record seems to have got stuck in the same place, playing over and over again.
Politics was part of this show from the begining, as the reasons Skydiver gave are valid. But as someone else said before, I think it was Anni, we would'nt just sit and steal technology, we would be taking things apart, back-engineering them, and replicating copies of them. The SGC would now be fully armed with zat guns, and powered by an unlimited energy Naquada reactor.
We would have 'moved on'. I do like the character inter-reactions, but while they have been going on, the record seems to have got stuck in the same place, playing over and over again.
Hatshepsut
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In the beginning...
...there were Jack and Daniel - military might and social conscience - brawn and brain... Balance.
Two is good, so four is obviously better... Sam straddles the brain/brawn boundary, Teal'c is a warrior. To maintain the balance, Daniel and astro-physicist Sam need to carry a little more of the load.
Their original mission - to explore other planets, make contact with other civilizations, assess any risk to Earth, and negotiate to bring back anything that Earth might find useful. Even the President backed them on that.
Once S.G.1 has completed a mission and reported on it, it should then pass out of their hands and on to a higher authority for evaluation, and application if relevant.
Yes, unscrupulous, power-hungry, ‘goa'uld-ish' people on the make will want to get their hands on any advanced weapons technology that they get to hear about and, yes, there's a place for it now and again to add variety.
It is, however, up to S.G.1 to ensure that as little as possible passes on out of the mountain that could be misused, and it should fall to Daniel and, to a lesser extent, Sam to argue for the ethical angle on the decisions they take.
Clearly they will occasionally fail, after which, it should be up to General Hammond and other higher ranking officers to sort it out, not S.G.1. The ball should only return to their court in cases such as Senator Kinsey's attempt to close down the Stargate project when, as it directly affects them, they should, and did, fight their own corner.
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Skydiver:
Yes, Shank's reasons for leaving are his own; I don't have a problem with that. In his shoes, I'd probably do the same thing. What I do object to is that he was given those reasons in the first place.
Pretending the gate was real? It isn't. It's there for our entertainment. An episode involving arguments about the project's budget and funding would pretty realistic, but entertaining? I don't think so...
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Anni:
Strictest mourning? Incandescent rage, more like. Yes, the sci-fi genre is a result of people questioning what's 'out there' and saying, "What if... "
There are already plenty of S.F. programmes on the go in the stale old "we come in peace - shoot to kill" mode. For this reason, ‘Stargate S.G.1' provided a welcome breath of fresh air. Now it just looks set to become just another tired formulaic monster... This I find extremely exasperating.
In the words of the song, "You don't know what you've got till it's gone... "
Best wishes,
Hatshepsut.
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...there were Jack and Daniel - military might and social conscience - brawn and brain... Balance.
Two is good, so four is obviously better... Sam straddles the brain/brawn boundary, Teal'c is a warrior. To maintain the balance, Daniel and astro-physicist Sam need to carry a little more of the load.
Their original mission - to explore other planets, make contact with other civilizations, assess any risk to Earth, and negotiate to bring back anything that Earth might find useful. Even the President backed them on that.
Once S.G.1 has completed a mission and reported on it, it should then pass out of their hands and on to a higher authority for evaluation, and application if relevant.
Yes, unscrupulous, power-hungry, ‘goa'uld-ish' people on the make will want to get their hands on any advanced weapons technology that they get to hear about and, yes, there's a place for it now and again to add variety.
It is, however, up to S.G.1 to ensure that as little as possible passes on out of the mountain that could be misused, and it should fall to Daniel and, to a lesser extent, Sam to argue for the ethical angle on the decisions they take.
Clearly they will occasionally fail, after which, it should be up to General Hammond and other higher ranking officers to sort it out, not S.G.1. The ball should only return to their court in cases such as Senator Kinsey's attempt to close down the Stargate project when, as it directly affects them, they should, and did, fight their own corner.
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Skydiver:
Yes, Shank's reasons for leaving are his own; I don't have a problem with that. In his shoes, I'd probably do the same thing. What I do object to is that he was given those reasons in the first place.
Pretending the gate was real? It isn't. It's there for our entertainment. An episode involving arguments about the project's budget and funding would pretty realistic, but entertaining? I don't think so...
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Anni:
Strictest mourning? Incandescent rage, more like. Yes, the sci-fi genre is a result of people questioning what's 'out there' and saying, "What if... "
There are already plenty of S.F. programmes on the go in the stale old "we come in peace - shoot to kill" mode. For this reason, ‘Stargate S.G.1' provided a welcome breath of fresh air. Now it just looks set to become just another tired formulaic monster... This I find extremely exasperating.
In the words of the song, "You don't know what you've got till it's gone... "
Best wishes,
Hatshepsut.
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Anni, gee it feels weird calling you annit, especially after all the time calling you Titan, anyway. Anni, I remember you once mentioned that I would probably do a better job writing for Stargate. lol. I have to say that you would be a fine addition to the team that creates that show. If there was to be a spin off, Atlantis, I say that MGM should hire you as their Creative Consultant.
Dave - I guess you must have been preaching your beliefs that the Goa'uld should not have attacked earth at the end of Season One. I respect your right to your beliefs, but I tend to disagree.
it seemas a bit like this post on revelations has developed into another discussion on what the show lacks and the potential it has Such is the way of conversations.
Dave - I guess you must have been preaching your beliefs that the Goa'uld should not have attacked earth at the end of Season One. I respect your right to your beliefs, but I tend to disagree.
it seemas a bit like this post on revelations has developed into another discussion on what the show lacks and the potential it has
Such is the way of conversations.
Yes, sorry to go off-topic, because it was a good episode, and I'm going to be lost without it on every week!
what did you guys think about osiris?
first of all i love this combination of goauld voice in a brit accent. (and the way she goes 'insolence')
what i really like about her, some may say it's trite or contrived but her...well frankly she's nuts. and i love the mix of slightly nutty symbiote pulling out earth colliquisms from the host.
like in summit, her 'i hope i haven't missed anything' or somethign like that.
and she's got this nutsy quality that quite frankly makes her more interesting to watch because it's hard to peg down what she's doing next. i mean i can watch an eps and at times i've said jack's line right as he does the first time i watch it...sort of 'reading his mind'...i mean i got the character pegged and know how he'll react...with osiris it isn't this way.
she's unpredictable and that makes her fun
and when it comes time for her demise...it's sam's turn. she hasn't whacked a goauld since season 3
first of all i love this combination of goauld voice in a brit accent. (and the way she goes 'insolence')
what i really like about her, some may say it's trite or contrived but her...well frankly she's nuts. and i love the mix of slightly nutty symbiote pulling out earth colliquisms from the host.
like in summit, her 'i hope i haven't missed anything' or somethign like that.
and she's got this nutsy quality that quite frankly makes her more interesting to watch because it's hard to peg down what she's doing next. i mean i can watch an eps and at times i've said jack's line right as he does the first time i watch it...sort of 'reading his mind'...i mean i got the character pegged and know how he'll react...with osiris it isn't this way.
she's unpredictable and that makes her fun
and when it comes time for her demise...it's sam's turn. she hasn't whacked a goauld since season 3
Hatshepsut
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I agree. I think she makes a *brilliant* villain, but hey! that's what Brits are good at :evil: It's also interesting that Osiris is male inside a female body - O.K., I know it's been said somewhere that goa'ulds have no gender, but that's the way it comes across.
Would definitely like to see more of her/him.
Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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It's also interesting that Osiris is male inside a female body - O.K., I know it's been said somewhere that goa'ulds have no gender, but that's the way it comes across.Would definitely like to see more of her/him.
Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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i agree with the gender thing. apparently osiris had always been male...sort of like jolinar had always been female up until that last host.
what's neat....at least in summit/last stand...osiris either indulges his host's feminity or likes using it to serve his purposes
what's neat....at least in summit/last stand...osiris either indulges his host's feminity or likes using it to serve his purposes
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