SGC Point of origin

[shu_hunter]

i'm almost sure this has been asked before, but isn't the sgc point of origin this and not this anymore? in season 4 Nemisis, sg-1 beamed up the stargate into Thor's ship, and the stargate and ship crashed into the ocean. then the sgc took out the |0 stargate, the russians got the Ã… stargate, etc. . so why does the sgc's stargate still lock on Ã…? did the russians and the americans do a trade? what would've been the point... it was either carter or daniel that said as long as the other stargate was hooked up to a dhd all incoming wormholes would by default go to the sgc.. or maybe it was hammond. anyway....
is it just another inconsistency? or is there something logical behind this?

~Shu Hunter
:upto: stargate fan{atic}

 

[Roach]

I have no idea which Stargate the SGC has now, but all evidence points to the original one, even though the storyline sez it'd be the Antarctica one.

But if you look a bit further down, you'd see a thread called "Stargates in Starships" or something like that, and someone said that a Stargates coordinates change depending what planet it's on. So supposedly, no matter what gate you use on Earth, it'd always use the same chevrons. Or something.

Oh, incidentally... is there a Stargate font anywhere, that uses the chevrons instead of characters (Wingding-style)? If not, does anyone know how to make fonts?

 

[CynVision]

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As I heard it, The Stargate with the original DHD would over-ride the SGC's gate and it's computer. That's why they had to go to Russia. Russia had the SGC Giza 'Gate's original DHD and the SGC (or whoever stores stuff for them) would presumably have the second gate's (Antartica) DHD. So maybe Point Of Origin priortiy is locked into the DHD? No DHD, the SGC has computer hooked to Stargate #2, it reads on the Stargate system as the primary gate, so the SGC gets the incound traffic. It's business as usual for the SGC. Hook the original DHD to the original gate and Russia gets the inbound traffic. Leave the primary 'Gate "on" and the second one can't do anything at all. The Antartica gate sure seems to have been an outbound 'Gate or "in case of emergency" 'Gate only.

I gotta wonder if all planets have two Stargates! Clever of them Ancients, eh?

 

[shu_hunter]

almost all stargate planets only have one. I'm pretty sure the beta gate was brought to earth by the goa'uld and then maybe they forgot about it. or maybe the secand gate's how the goa'uld smuggled humans to their various planets!

and you can get the stargate glyphs font at http://home.kendra.com/urania/stargate_sg1/sg1_font.htm .

~Shu Hunter
:upto: stargate fan{atic}

 

[PTeppic]

Originally posted by shu_hunter
i'm almost sure this has been asked before, but isn't the sgc point of origin this and not this anymore?

These addresses seem to be giving errors now...

 

[PTeppic]

Originally posted by Roach
But if you look a bit further down, you'd see a thread called "Stargates in Starships" or something like that, and someone said that a Stargates coordinates change depending what planet it's on. So supposedly, no matter what gate you use on Earth, it'd always use the same chevrons. Or something.

Basically each gate "knows" where it is... but, thinking about it more, the stargate NETWORK must also know about them - which is why it goes to a specific on earth when there are technically two valid ones, except during overload conditions...

And it can't be position, since the earth rotates, and around the sun, which rotates in the galaxy etc...

 

[shu_hunter]

i don't think the earth revolving around the sun or it's rotation matters. I think when a gate dials, it selects a point in space, and maybe picks up a signal from a gate saying "I'm here, and you can dial me!". It probably doesn't select a specific point, just a general area in space. Not too general, of course.

~Shu Hunter
:upto: stargate fan{atic}

 

[PTeppic]

Define "not too general"?

It needs to be about 180 million miles in diameter, at least, to allow for Earth's rotation...

 

[shu_hunter]

well then that's ok, because I doubt there'd be more that one planet within the same 180 million miles with a stargate, and if there is, that's what alpha and beta and-so-on gates. So I guess the Alpha gate within the general area of whatever (180 million miles to make PTeppic happy ), and... yeah..! So within the general area coresponding with the six glyphs, the Alpha gate will pick up any incoming wormholes.
That beings up another question: what determines the Alpha Gate? for some reason the gate at the sgc is now the alpha gate even though it was in Antarctica for who knows how long, while the previous alpha gate is now locked up in Russia.
I thought i heard somewhere that it had something to do with the DHD, but could anyone tell me specifically?
And STILL nobody's answered my original question: why does the gate at the sgc lock on Ã… instead of |O ? was there a trade between russia and the US? if so, why? I was under the impression that the beta stargate is attached to the dhd and that's why the one at the sgc picks up the ordinary wormholes.
Whatever. I'm going to post a question of what determines the Alpha Gate.
Meanwhile, if anyone can answer my question of what the point of origin at the sgc is, please do.

~Shu Hunter
:upto: stargate fan{atic}

 

[PTeppic]

Okay, cut in here from one of my own other threads, rambling on about how the gates work:

To enable gates to be able to work when moved to a new location, and to allow the addition of the new gates (e.g. Tollana), the actual point of origin is irrelevant, apart from the fact that it is at a point in physical space that can be incomingly addressed. Ah, answering myself: from Grasp/Lair, when Daniel/Sam conclude "the point of origin is no longer valid", what it actually means is that the gate is no longer at an addressable position in the sphere of space. Specifically as a incoming point for wormholes, but this ALSO means in terms of outgoing ones, the POO is no longer valid.

It ALL makes SENSE now... due to the relative position of the forty or so constellations in space, only so many physical places in space can be addressed as a 3-D glyph sequence. And most of those already have "static" gates in place on planet. It won't take a rocket scientist (actually, pretty much that WOULD be the purpose of a rocket scientist!! :blush: ) to determine the addressable places in space, find which don't currently have gates and realise that a mobile gate could be placed there (e.g. Klorel's ha'tak). When it moves, it is no longer able to be dialled, either in or out, since we can assume as a fail safe each gate can detect where is in space, and can work out it cannot be dialled into, and hence won't allow out-going wormholes from such a position. Or perhaps the physics won't allow it?

Which means this thread has just drifted away from the A/O gates, and into how they work. But that can't be a bad thing...

 

[Garron]

I find it painful to read messages posted on this forum. I can't understand what people have to say. I'm no grammer teacher, but I do know english.

I'm in no mood to teach a grammer lesson, but please follow some basic instructions. Use verbs, pronouns, adverbs, and adjectives properly.

Its painful to read messages that make no sense!

FOOTNOTE: If you find a message that says "I hope you understand what I say because it makes sense to me." That person must rewrite his sentences. The shorter the better!

 

[PTeppic]

Do you find fault with just this thread, forum or the whole Stargate section?

Are there particular authors who are problemmatic, such as myself?

And if not a grammer teacher, perhaps you are a grammar teacher?

Your point, of course, is well made. Perhaps a number of factors should be considered by all correspondents to the board. The single most important factor is that not all users will speak English as their first language. Whilst this may inevitably result in postings which some find unreadable, this should be borne with generosity and tolerance. Conversely, those writing should also remember their readers, and where possible avoid unnecessarily complex grammar, constructions and so on. However, a second factor also comes into play: the predominance of younger users who appear to show (and this is probably an unsupportable statement! ) ) a tendency to mis-spell and form dubious sentences of indeterminate grammar. The increasing use of SMS-style abbreviations, acronyms and abbreviations also exacerbate the problem.

Hope you find the pain diminishes soon.

 

[System Lord Gypsy]

Further to the Gate/POO question, without seeing this thread I posted a similar question on the ausgate group. It was basically: The alpha gate was lost and the russians picked it up therefore the SGC had to use the beta gate for a while. All the while they were using the beta gate which has a different glyph for earth you saw the original earth glyph with no sign of the new glyph. I presume that is just an incontinuity error with their only being 2 gates used on the show. But another question comes from this, With the russians an SGC both using the same original earth glyph why have SG-1 never accidentaly dialed the russian gate when they are returning from being offworld. If the russian gate is set up exactly as the SGC gate with the exception of the russians usng a DHD would the wormhole not stand a 50/50 chance of being directed to the russian gate. It is after all using the glyph sequence SG-1 would have to use to dial home.

It has been stated on the show that a second gate is only used when the original was lost. I would assume that is the reason behind this therefore would having 2 working gates on a planet really work?

Gypsy

 

[PTeppic]

[Season 4 spoiler: "Watergate"]

Originally posted by BC-Lord-Gypsy
It has been stated on the show that a second gate is only used when the original was lost. I would assume that is the reason behind this therefore would having 2 working gates on a planet really work?

Sam and the Russian scientist in "Watergate" imply they already know that having the Giza DHD attached to the Russian gate causes incoming earth-bound wormholes to go to Russia. Without it, the wormholes go to the SGC. The former case is obvious, but the latter, though the normal and accepted scenario, is a little more obscure and puzzling.

 

[Jedispara]

In Watergate, the russians said that there gate was only attached to the DHD when they were expecting someone coming back or going out, which means that when the DHD wasn't attached the SGC's gate became the primamry gate... remeber now... so the whole problem of where the wormholes went problem is solved, back to teh problem of the alpha/beta gates....

 

[System Lord Gypsy]

LOL. Fair enough. Only saw Water gate twice before I realised about the different glyphs etc. Thats cleared something up for me at least.

Gypsy

 

[PTeppic]

Isn't that what I said? My puzzlement comes from how the SGC gate becomes the primary gate - it is equally as valid to be primary as the Russian gate when neither have the DHD connected.

Perhaps it is because the SGC gate has electric current supplied and live?

 

[Jedispara]

ok... well back to the origin chevron problem...

ok, lets says the system has a bit of leniense built in that would allow for any stargate that has the same base set of chevrons as the other gate of that planet, to use any DHD that had the same set.... follow me yet...

so if any Stargate that has the same Chevrons, can be used by and DHD that has the same symbols... why does it matter what the origin looks like, as long as all of the other chevrons are the same on that planet????

 

[PTeppic]

Not sure I follow - according to the show (back to the film in fact) the glyphs each represent a position in space, the intersection of the points representing a single location where the destination Stargate is located. From the episodes involving the second gate we "know" that if there is a second gate at the spacial location when the first is out of use, (or the second one has a valid DHD) this second gate takes over for that planet. So it is the planet that has the chevrons, not the gate. Which is why it is so easy to get a second (or third!) gate into the system and still be able to use it as a valid point of origin - the gate simply becomes the valid one for that planet, since it is the planet which is identified, not the gate.

 

[Jedispara]

ya i realize that, but do you get what i'm saying that the point of origin doesn't matter what it looks like, as long as the rest of the chevrons corispond with that gates place in the universe...