Further inquiry regarding female taste in sci-fi & fantasy

All I want is interesting characters and a good story. I don't care if they are female, male or generic.

Umm, what's "generic"? Is that as in asexual? Reproduces by cellular division? (Got a little lost there.) Or would that be like creatures that are both female and male at the same time? ;)
 
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Zombie apocalypse? Hell yeah, that's the best kind!

Someone should write a book or make a movie with zombie ninjas*. I'd read it.

*concept came up during an odd discussion.

Okay, so they might be more fun than scary, due to the "natural" slow tempo and clumsiness of zombies not going very well with being a ninja, but I still want to see a book or movie with them.
 
Mind you, the Zombies in the remake of Dawn of the Dead are able to run, (and that's evil, at least before you could run away from them, but now they chase after you!) and the ones in Land of the Dead could use weapons, so perhaps Ninja zombies wouldn't be so funny after all!
 
Hate chick-lit and romance too! Much rather have a good book with lots of blood and guts! :D Also cannot stand chick flicks! Much rather have a good martial arts film! ;)

You sound like my best friend :)
 
Oh, let's see...to begin with, as much as I love science fiction and some subgenres of fantasy, I read more non-fiction than fiction. I don't know if I read it because that's mostly what I write, or if that's mostly what I write because it is mostly what I read. It's one of those chicken/egg things, I suppose. And I'll read almost any subject, although my favorites are history, science, anthropology/archaeology, religious studies (from an academic point of view, rather than from a devotional point of view) and political science.

As far as fiction (aside from sf/fantasy) goes, I don't read that much mainstream fiction. I'm much more likely to read mainstream fiction if it touches on one of my non-fiction interests. For example, I recently read a mainstream novel called Resurrection because it a) had archaeologists in it, b) was set in the past (post-WW II), and c) had to do with the Nag Hammadi texts. It also helps if it has some quasi-sf/fantasy aspect, such as The Time Traveler's Wife, which was one of the best books I read last year.

I like mysteries and police procedurals, but I'm particular about which ones I read and mostly stick to certain authors...I like Faye Kellerman, Jonathan Kellerman, Kathy Reichs (in whose books anthropology/archaeology is a key aspect), Stephen White, and Robert B. Parker (but only his "Spencer" novels). Oh, and Tony Hillerman and his novels about Jim Chee and Joe Leaphorn. Some Native Americans have issues with his depiction of Indian culture and characters, but I guess since I'm not a Native American I don't see the problem, and I quite like those books of his that I've read. Every once in awhile I'll happen on a new writer who gets added to the list, but not often.

Romance...meh. I read a lot of what we called "gothics" back in high school, writers like Victoria Holt, but I outgrew those sometime during high school. I do like books in which there are romantic relationships, but not often novels that are part of the "romance" genre. I discovered Kage Baker's "Company" novels when I picked up the first one and thought it sounded interesting because it was an odd combination of romance novel, historical novel, and science fiction.

I'm not even really sure what "chick-lit" consists of. Is Bridget Jones' Diary an example? I liked the movie, but never was able to finish the book.

Horror is another genre that I'm very picky about. Love Stephen King, although I haven't read many of his new things simply because I haven't gotten around to them. And I love Clive Barker (what did somebody say earlier about him..."fun and twisted"...he is that. Although I couldn't read The Great and Secret Show because he didn't do his homework as far as I was concerned...he used the name of the place I grew up as a location but didn't get the geography right, which ticked me off horribly. I've read some Dean Koontz and like some of his books, but I don't pick his work up on a regular basis.

I've never read a western. Well, I did read one Louis L'Amour novel, but that was The Haunted Mesa, which was set in contemporary times and is actually a fantasy novel...there's time and/or interdimensional travel involved.

Adventure is fun, and I'm fairly well addicted to Clive Cussler's Dirk Pitt novels, despite the inherent sexism in some of them, especially the earlier stories.

I could go on...don't worry, I won't. I guess it all boils down to the fact that I'll give almost any genre a try, but I'm sometimes very difficult to please.
 
"Adventure is fun, and I'm fairly well addicted to Clive Cussler's Dirk Pitt novels, despite the inherent sexism in some of them, especially the earlier stories."

My other half has a shelf of these, I'm terribly snobbish, and refer to them as 'Spot goes Shopping' books. However, I will read them when I run out of my regular fare. It's a guilty pleasure, like belgian choc ice cream eaten whilst in pajamas.

I prefer fantasy to sci-fi, and the bulf of my libraary is in these genres, but I do read 'meaty' romances, as a mills and boon only takes half an hour and no brain cells! I also like historical stuff, biographies, hmmm... cereal packets, posters, tv guides.

I can and will read most things!

I've read a couple of Clive Barker's things, but found them really disturbing, and I enjoy sagas, purely due to the length, I like really getting into a character. 'Chick-lit' is a balnket term, I suppose like sci-fi; it covers a HUUUUGE range of authors, topics, books... some are trash, some are gems. (heretically, I'd count LOTR as trash, and William Shatner's 'Tek' books as gems! which tells you alot about my taste) And I'll attempt to read anything once, just because I can't stand the sight of an unread book.
 
It's a guilty pleasure, like belgian choc ice cream eaten whilst in pajamas.

That's exactly my position on Cussler's books. I read them, but I won't use one of them as my "carry around" book.

Barker...well, some of what he writes is, you're correct, quite disturbing. But I thought that was the whole thing about horror. Just me, maybe. I don't find most horror "scary", but Barker is the only writer, ever, to have something he wrote give me a bad dream. But, if you like sagas, you might want to tackle his Imagica sometime...amazing book, over 1000 pages long. Some editions are sold in two volumes, it is so long.
 
Hmm reading just romance by itself is often tedious. I enjoy more of the action/adventure types of novels with a mix of fantasy, comedy and romance. Those are the best and most enjoyable in my opinion.
 
Mind you, the Zombies in the remake of Dawn of the Dead are able to run, (and that's evil, at least before you could run away from them, but now they chase after you!) and the ones in Land of the Dead could use weapons, so perhaps Ninja zombies wouldn't be so funny after all!

There's a remake of Dawn of the Dead? I need to see that!
 
That's exactly my position on Cussler's books. I read them, but I won't use one of them as my "carry around" book.

Barker...well, some of what he writes is, you're correct, quite disturbing. But I thought that was the whole thing about horror. Just me, maybe. I don't find most horror "scary", but Barker is the only writer, ever, to have something he wrote give me a bad dream. But, if you like sagas, you might want to tackle his Imagica sometime...amazing book, over 1000 pages long. Some editions are sold in two volumes, it is so long.

I tried imajica, bits of it were really beautiful, he writes relationships very well. I think the one that turned me off for good was the book that became Hellraiser? It was 'normally' scary and odd and then it got to a bit with a woman and a dog (I think it was that one). I'm a Christian, but not mentally rabid about it or anything, but at that point my internal censor kicked in. I don't mind being scared, but that was totally beyond my tolerance limit.

Another guilty pleasure is bodice rippers, but NOT EVER EVER Barbara Cartland!
 
I love classic British-style mysteries (P.D. James, Elizabeth George, Martha Grimes) and a few other authors - Nevada Barr, Kathy Reichs, Sue Grafton.
I do like some chick-lit, but as for romance, I prefer it as an additive in another genre - not really by itself.
 
I read all the genres even non-fictions as long as it's well written and worth my time, but very rarely romance and western. Most of novels I read are fantasy, mainstream literature, classic, S.F., horror, mystery, thriller. My preference in fantasy is the satirical, humourous, light-hearted type. Not really a serious epic reader - never read George R.R. Martin, Robert Jordan.
 
I read tons of science fiction and fantasy and prefer those genres to all others, so I don't have much time for other reading.

But I do enjoy the occasional mystery (particularly by Tony Hillerman, P.D. James, or Peter Dickinson), and I have read and adored all of Dorothy Sayers's Lord Peter Wimsey novels.

I haven't read any modern mainstream "chick lit" that I know of, but I have read and enjoyed women-centric novels by Amy Tam, the Bronte sisters, Virginia Woolf, Toni Morrison, Isabel Allende, Alice Walker, Barbara Kingsolver, and so on.

I read the longer sort of historical romance novels by certain authors, especially Laura Kinsale.

I don't read horror. I don't enjoy it. But I do read what some consider a subcategory of horror/fantasy that often crosses over into romance: series in which kick-ass female protagonists deal with supernatural menaces such as vampires, werewolves, and the like, often in bloody and creepifying fashion. Some authors I read in that subgenre are Kim Harrison, Kelley Armstrong, C.E. Murphy, Barb and J.C. Hendee, Charlaine Harris, and the early Laurell K. Hamilton.

I enjoy--but don't require--romantic elements in SFF. Sharon Lee and Steve Miller's books are some of my favorite SFF books with romantic elements, as are works by Catherine Asaro, Tanya Huff, Nina Kiriki Hoffman, Teresa Edgerton, and Karin Lowachee. Early works by Anne McCaffrey, such as Restoree and the Crystal Singer series, also fit in this category, but I've stopped reading her newer works.

So, yes, I do read what some might consider novels aimed at women, but I also read a large amount of hard science fiction that others would consider aimed at men, such as works by Charles Sheffield, Larry Niven, Jack McDevitt, and--oh, there are too many to name.

The one kind of fantasy I don't usually read or enjoy is epic fantasy that's mostly about battles. Blood and guts for bloody guts' sake doesn't interest me.

Oh, and on the Eowyn versus Arwen question: I never was happy that Aragorn ended up with Arwen! Eowyn rocks.
 
I definately don't like those 'chic lit' books. I'd rather read the local newspaper! On the other hand, I have enjoyed reading many Fantasy books written by female authors...Sara Douglass, Cecilia Dart-Thorton, Janny Wurts and Jennifer Fallon, to name but a few. Most of these books have a strong female character which is great.

This is another reason why I enjoy historical fiction which are often based around the story of a famous (or infamous) female.
 
I'd like to turn this around a little. What, in a genre that a particular woman likes, turns her off. In other words, imagine picking a book up, where, all things being equal, you really expect to like it. Then, in the mists of enjoyment, you encounter ??????????? It ruins it for you. What is ?????????
 
I'm probably a bit of a prude, but I hate it when sex is randomly lobbed into a story.

Some books, I kinda expect some sex in them, for example, chick-lit. But in fantasy and sci-fi, it's really difficult to achieve in context, so I get very annoyed by irrelevant and/or badly written sex in a fantsy novel!

I wish I could express this more coherently, apologies people.
 
What about mainstream SF? By that I mean SF that written like a mystery or thriller, or something that let's say Sagan would write. A story where people are realistically portrayed, as are relations between men and women. If you reflect on what may be awkwardly real in your own life in terms of relationships--do women find that inappropriate in a SF novels?
 

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