The Revived Tolkien Trivia

[hopewrites]

The answer is in the appendices, but I've left my copy at home. I believe it's in the bit with the genealogy of the Kings of Numinor, "this guy did this and lived so many years and begat such-and-such who did these things and lived this long..."
Something like that.

I won't be home for two weeks at least so someone else go for it.

 

[hopewrites]

Appendix A
Section I The Numenorean Kings,
Section i Numenor
"For though a long span of life had been granted them, in the beginning thrice that of lesser Men, they must remain mortal, since the Valar were not permitted to take from them the Gift of Men (or the Doom of Men as it was called)."

page 1011 in my triple.

 

[Pyan]

And I'd just about given up on the thread! Well done, Hope, and away you go...

 

[The Judge]

Wot, no bell? (Well done, Hope! I'd completely forgotten this was still open!)

 

[hopewrites]

Thank you much I had assumed that someone would have come along while I was on vacation and so didnt remember to check back in til last night. Seeing that I was still the last post, I thought "well, everyone else has had plenty of time for a good go at it, I'll just grab my copy and see what I can find."
lol then it took me an hr to hunt up the passage I wanted (what with reading right around it 3 times then wandering off looking for another reference, lol)

but on to business.

who was also assumed to confuse Kindness with Blindness?

 

[hopewrites]

as an aside, last night in my dream I got a "get well soon" card from Mr. Brandybuck

...it was supposed to be from my sis in law and the incongruity of him being my sis in law woke me up.

 

[hopewrites]

would you like a hint?


the dream had nothing to do with the quote I'm after.



oh a good hint... like who the assuming is about... or who is doing the assuming? too telling.
How about where they are when this assuming is being done? also pretty telling.


okok. For a first hint I will say that the answer is in the text of the story.

 

[Hugh]

Page 640 (my edition) of Chapter 3, "The Black Gate is closed, Book IV:
Sam's thoughts: "It had always been a notion of his that the kindness of dear Mr Frodo was of such a high degree that it must imply a fair measure of blindness".

 

[farntfar]

....which would imply that the person who "also" may have confused kindness with blindness was young Smeagol, some 2 sentences later.

As I hadn't got anywhere near this before Hugh's entry, I hope you give it to him, if Gollum's the right answer.

 

[hopewrites]

It is. A teamwork bell for each of you and the honor of quizzing us next to @Hugh

 

[Hugh]

Many thanks indeed @hopewrites and @farntfar for this valuable teamwork bell.

I'm new to these tricksy questions. This could well have been asked before, but I baulk at looking through the archives:

When a rolling stone stops rolling, where might it rest awhile?

 

[farntfar]

Ooh. Isn't this some sort of Gandalf reference to himself and Bombadil.
From memory: "I'm going to visit Bombadil. He's (Bombadil's) a something or other that stays still, whereas I've been a stone doomed to rolling. We shall have much to discuss."
So after Bree, on the way home, but before the liberation of the Shire.

I'll look it up and give you the exact reference in the morning.

Edit: "Moss- gatherer" probably.

 

[farntfar]

Nearly the end of Homeward Bound, Gandalf's speech starting 'I am with you at present.'

"I am turning aside soon. I am going to have a long talk with Bombadil: such a talk as I have not had in all my time. He is a moss-gatherer, and I have been a stone, doomed to rolling. But my rolling days are ending and now we shall have much to say to one another."

Well I was mostly right, but JRRT says it so much better.

 

[Hugh]

Nearly the end of Homeward Bound, Gandalf's speech starting 'I am with you at present.'

"I am turning aside soon. I am going to have a long talk with Bombadil: such a talk as I have not had in all my time. He is a moss-gatherer, and I have been a stone, doomed to rolling. But my rolling days are ending and now we shall have much to say to one another."

Well I was mostly right, but JRRT says it so much better.

Well remembered. I'd like to have heard more about that meeting.

Please accept one Bombadil-tuned Bell

 

[farntfar]

Thank you Hugh. A merry bell indeed.
I agree that that meeting must have been interesting.

Tom has always held a certain fascination for me. Although it would seem he is a Maia and was there in his house almost from the beginning, (called "oldest and fatherless" by Elrond), he seems to have or at least to wield very little power. The tales of Tom Bombadil treat him almost as just a man and a rather simple one at that.

I'm rather glad that Jackson left him out of the films. I suspect that any film version of the events would have displeased me more than their exclusion, being either too twee or too serious.

Anyway, the next question.

Who's last known destination was the forgotten south of the world.

 

[Hugh]

Anyway, the next question.

Who's last known destination was the forgotten south of the world.

ahhh! This would be the Silmarillion and Ungoliant. I'm keen to have another bell....

".....Ungoliant herself departed, and went whither she would into the forgotten south of the world, her offspring abode there and wove their hideous webs. Of the fate of Ungoliant no tale tells."

 

[Hugh]

Thank you Hugh. A merry bell indeed.
I agree that that meeting must have been interesting.

Tom has always held a certain fascination for me. Although it would seem he is a Maia and was there in his house almost from the beginning, (called "oldest and fatherless" by Elrond), he seems to have or at least to wield very little power. The tales of Tom Bombadil treat him almost as just a man and a rather simple one at that.

I'm rather glad that Jackson left him out of the films. I suspect that any film version of the events would have displeased me more than their exclusion, being either too twee or too serious.

I think of him as being surprisingly powerful, despite his deceptively simple front, given his treatment of the ring.

Agreed re leaving him out of the films.

 

[farntfar]

A web-covered bell for you Hugh.
Well done.

Gandalf said in the council of Elrond that it was simply that the ring had no power over Bombadil.
Who can tell.

Have you read the Adventures of Tom Bombadil? He does very little out of the ordinary in terms of power. So it's hard to tell. He seems to be Yomeshta, before Ursula LeGuin had invented it.

 

[Hugh]

Many thanks for the sticky bell. That's probably the last for a while: I doubt I'll get lucky again.

Next question then....

Where can you always be certain of good solid vegetarian food?

 

[Hugh]

Who can tell.
.

Exactly.