The Revived Tolkien Trivia

[Pyan]

Well, this is a thorny one!
In Middle-earth, it appears to be Sauron, (the Olog-Hai):

"That Sauron bred them none doubted, though from what stock was not known."

LotR - Appendix F - Of Other Races.

Is this what you had in mind? or do I need to dig more?

 

[Marky Lazer]

I'm not sure what I meant... How about this line:

‘Maybe you have heard of Trolls? They are mighty strong. But Trolls are only counterfeits, made by the Enemy in the Great Darkness, in mockery of Ents, as Orcs were of Elves [,’ said Treebeard].

The Lord of the Rings, The TwoTowers, Treebeard.

But then, take into consideration this as well:

I think I agree about the ‘creating by evil’. But you are more free with the word ‘creation’ than I am.* Treebeard does not say that the Dark Lord ‘created’ Trolls and Orcs. He says he ‘made’ them in counterfeit of certain creature pre-existing. There is, to me, a wide gulf between the two statements, so wide that Treebeard’s statement could (in my world) have possibly been true.

* Inside this mystical history (as its metaphysic is, not necessarily as a metaphysic of the real World) Creation, the act of Will of Eru the One that gives Reality to conceptions, is distinguished from Making, which is permissive.

The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, No. 153, To Peter Hastings (draft), p. 190.

I think in the end, it ought to be Eru, really... so feel free to dig deeper, but not before you post a new question!

 

[Pyan]

Ok....
Who's dwelling was "West of West"?

 

[Marky Lazer]

Mightier than Este is Nienna, sister of the Feanturi [...] Her halls are west of West, upon the borders of the world; and she comes seldom to the city of Valimar where all is glad.

The Silmarillion, Valaquenta.

 

[Pyan]

Spot on....take one bell, and away you go!

 

[Marky Lazer]

Shiny bell, I missed you!

What was the original nickname for Aragorn before Tolkien changed it into 'Strider'?

 

[Pyan]

"Trotter" (HoME passim)
a name with unfortunate connotations these days in the UK..

 

[Marky Lazer]

That is correct...

 

[Pyan]

Try this :
A mighty ravine, barred by seven gates....but what's its name?

 

[Pyan]

Still pondering, Marky? I won't offer you a clue, yet........

 

[Pyan]

Sorry about the consecutive posts...

Further to my last answer....as HoME is not one of the allowable sources,
Trotter=Aragorn is also in the Letters, note 2 to No 83 - to Christopher Tolkien.

Sorry about that - I'll stick to the permitted books in future...

 

[Marky Lazer]

Try this :
A mighty ravine, barred by seven gates....but what's its name?

Then they were led up the mighty ravine of Orfalch Erech, barred by seven gates, and brought before Echtelion of the Fountain[.]

The Silmarillion, Quenta Silmarillion, Ch. 23 Of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin

 

[Pyan]

Correctamundo! Your go....

 

[Marky Lazer]

Okay... I'm not sure whether this is even a correct quesiton, but it does provide you with something to search for (I guess).

What is the Elvish word for 'Great Bear' ?

 

[Kissmequick]

Er, Quenya or Sindar for the constellation, or literally Great Bear?

 

[Marky Lazer]

I'm just going to say that you're really close to what I am looking for

 

[Kissmequick]

oookaaay, I assume you mean sickle of the valar then

which would be Valacirca in Quenya

 

[Pyan]

Don't forget to say where you can find the reference, KMQ.....

 

[Kissmequick]

I habve to say? Oh - hang on isn't a trivia quiz where you know the answer? Looking it up is cheating lol

Er the reference is my brain - yes I'm a bit of an LOTRO geek. Put it like this I have a tattoo of the rohirrim flag on my shoulder.......
I suspect I could dig it out if you like.

*wanders off to search*

edit: Silmarillion, p48.

OK, my question...which elvish river name is rendered border-river in english

 

[Pyan]

Well, I believe he was going to marry her to Aragorn, as Arwen was a rather late addition to the cast - but that was from HoME, which is not an allowable source. I can't find any other source...perhaps Marky knows differently.