Wrath of a Mad God- Spoilers May Be Included

Woops, sorry about the spelling in my previous post! Its supposed to be 'Talwin wasn't in it'. I read that Talwin was still part of the Conclave, but only if they called upon him for some dire need. And wasn't the Conclave a lifetime oath?
 
Nakor wasn't as upset as I thought I would have been. A couple of gripes with this book. Wasn't impressed with Jimmy. He could never take the place of the real Jimmy. Was impressed with the destruction of Kelwan, although upset over the Cho ja.
 
I think Ray is missing the real Jimmy quite a lot. It was quite obvious to me that Jimmy was his favourite character throughout the Riftwar and the Serpentwar and I think he just tried too hard to substitute him into another character.
 
"Apart from the mistakes it was a good book. Isn't the next series called the Gods War?"

It is called the Demonwar and will probably have some thing to do with the 5th circle of reality
 
I believe that the final (5th) Rift war was originally going to be called the Godswar (following the Demonwar), but I have heard (possibly on Ray's site) that it is now going to be called the Chaoswar.

The next Riftwar will be the Demonwar, and going by name it should hopefully have something to do with the Demons of the 5th Circle. Perhaps Maarg is after revenge for the injuries Macros gave him?
 
I was a bit supprised that Nakor died the way he did, not a very emotional send off for such a well loved character also Eric Von Darkmoor's death was a bit weak, we should have watched his heroic death through the eyes of say Kasper, not just see him walk off towards the front with sword in hand.
What was the point of the 'Quor', so they're beautiful looking things and Miranda decided she would die protecting them, but this took up a good half of the book and just seemed pointless. If the survival of the Quor is paramount to the next riftwar, then a small part at the end of this book would have been enough to bridge the next book to this one.
Overall It was an OK read, we all know Fiest can do better, but has he started to run out of ideas? Let's hope the next book is better.
 
There actually is a lead going on. If you go onto the gazetteer website then you'll find some maps. It shows you the 'disaster' of the FIFTH riftwar and what it has done to the geography of Midkemia. It looks awesome

Can you set up a link Fake, can't seem to find it, Cheers.
 
My thoughts on the Wrath of a Mad God - please forgive any spelling mistakes - particularly in names/races :)

As much as I love the work of Raymond Feist, this latest book struck me as somewhat disappointing.

The one thing I have admired about Feist's writing is his characters and their development. I enjoy seeing the characters struggle with flaws and overcome obstacles and I like the repetition of certain character traits...such as the "Jimmy the hand line". It makes it seem like there are always similar people no matter what time you live in. In WoaMG, I found some of the characters disappointing. Pug didn't seem his all powerful self, Thomas was conspicuously absent from most of the book, Miranda was too self restrained, and not enough was said about most of the main characters like Tad, Zane, Jommy, Kaspar, Erik et al.

I was also irritated at the inconsistancy between the other series that have already been mentioned, but also at the seemingly complete lack of imagination of the most brilliant minds of the midkemia/kelewan realms. With the ever mentioned awesome magical power that they commanded I fail to see why the magicians could only make a select number of rifts and why they couldn't contrive some way to speed the evacuation process along.

Another point of annoyance was that when fighting to save their world, and possibly by extension the universe, the tsuranni were fighting mostly alone, and the cho-ja, who refused to elave the world, and who had powerful magicians, were absent from all the conflict. I would have also thought that Thomas would have helped, along with whatever dragon he was with, maybe some elves and sauur (sp?) would have been drafted to assist them.

Also, I may have to go back and reread a few books, but I am under the impression that the deark god of the Dastati was a dread lord, and that Pug and Thomas had overcome and bound a dreadlord before.

And one more thing, I wish he wouldn't milk the "Mara of the Acoma" thing. I loved the Empire series more than all the others but in the WoaMG he mentions her a lot for someone thats been dead for a long time (over a century?) I liked it when there was a coupke of referances to other books but by the 10th time it seemed like he was leaning on it to explain all the actions of the Tsurani

However, I have to say that it was mainy the last half of the book that I disliked. The first part, with Kaspar + Jommy + crew meeting the elves, Pug and co. in the other realm meeting the others that were to become important later on, I liked.

I don't think Nalor is really dead either, you can't expect the expected when the trickster god is involved, and when it came to him saying he wouldn't be leaving I didn't think it would be a "forever" sort of death, Pug, Thomas and Macros have all died and come back, I think that Nakor would be put on the same kind of path.

One more thing before I end my longest ever post....what was the point in the Quor?
 
I also thought it was a bit odd that the fate of a whole world was left in the hands of the Tsuranni alone, surely the cho-ja would have fancied a crack at the Dasati rather than simply not bothering to get involved when thier entire existance was about to be wipped out?
The other bit that annoyed me was when Ban-ath said that he expected Pug to create a rift under the black dome of the dasati that would have dropped the whole structure into the molton core of the planet, why didn't he say so before as surely that would have meant the planets survival?
 
About the dark god; he was indeed a Dreadlord, but one so powerful that Pug and Tomas wouldn't have been able to best it for he gained more and more power by the death of others; ala the Dasati killings.
 
Also, I may have to go back and reread a few books, but I am under the impression that the deark god of the Dastati was a dread lord, and that Pug and Thomas had overcome and bound a dreadlord before.

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One more thing before I end my longest ever post....what was the point in the Quor?

The being that Tomas & Pug imprisoned in the City Forever (or whatever it is called) was a Dreadmaster. Tomas himself says that even the Valheru would be worried about going up against a Dreadlord. There is a Dreadlord at the end of the Darkness in Sethanon - it is he who fights and kills the dragon Ryana. So this Dasati Dark God which has been fed so much would surely be way outside the possibilities of Tomas & Pug to beat. In fact he had already devastated two realms and clearly the gods of Midkemia were worried about him.

As for the Quor, it was a completely odd addition I agree. Indeed the whole scene there was weird with the ship arriving with the magician & dark creature (whatever it was). My suspicion is that this is a prelude to the next series, and not very related to what we have seen.

Otherwise I agree with most of your points about the book although it did bring several issues properly to an end, which was more satisfying than the book really deserved :)
 
I can honestly say that I hated it.

usually Feist is so good at characterisation. Arthua, Jimmy, Nakor, Erik, Roo, Trask... all had been great

But not now. Magnus is a cardboard cut out of any powerful mage in any series (and if i see that 'he will outstrip pug and miranda one day' one more bloody time i will scream). Miranda has gone from being a powerful, intelligent, strong minded individual to a petulant brat. We have a bunch of Jimmy wannabes running around and then, to add insult to injury, he managed to make Nakor seem 2 dimensional.

The inconsitancies grate as well. All the ones mentioned above, plus.... what the hell were the Minwabi still doing alive? they'd been wiped out refusing Mara's offer to let them live as I remember it. Was Feist rushed by the publishers? does he not keep notes? do teh editors bother to read what gets sent?

NAd the worst, worst, worst thing as far as I am concerned is that ending. Feist had, at the start, a believeable magic system. Since then he has expanded upon it and at times pushed the boundaries, sometimes too much. But now he has gone to far. Pug, who had been tired from creating just 7 normal rifts, is then able to create one to send a large section of the moon crashing into the planet, destroying it completely. Well.... rather a stretch that one. And why didnt he just do that on the Dasatii planet anyway?

Hell if he can do that much why didnt he just create a huge rift well before to alloow people to escape through. One a few miles wide would have given the tsuaranii a much better chance to escape.

Too much power, not enough thought in this book for me.
 
I have to say I agree with there MrWall, except that I didn't really hate it, I thought the book felt rushed as if he had a good plot but rushed it through.
I read an interview with him somewhere and he said the next book would be totally finished in 4 weeks, now thats either just fast writing or banging books out for the sake of it?

Does anybody out there actually like Magnus :), not met anybody yet, hopefully he'll get bumped off in the near future.

Anyway welcome to Chrons from a fellow Taff ;)
 
We're being taken over..... Eeeeek
May I also extend some warm welcomes?

Yeah, I think most of Feists more recent work could have done with a smidgeon of a polish but this one certainly tok the biscuit for number of histroicl/reference/thingy errors.

And to kill Nakor, well, just not the done thing, eh?
 
Thats right, we are taking over cyberspace... Mae Cymru am byth! (all the welsh i know)

cheers for the welcomes
 
Well, I stretch to Araf, dammit araf I say.

And, so far as oi know nobody like Magnus, most despicable type of fellow, doncha know?
 
I will also send my warmest welcomes. Its been getting too quiet here of late, nice to see some new insights. As for Magnus, I don't despise him but I am also fed up with the 'going to be more powerful someday' phrase. He hasn't really shown any of his power yet at all
 

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