General Weird discusion thread

Has anyone read Washington Irving ?

I love the movie Sleepy Hallow and when i saw that the short story was written by this writer i want to read it badly. I think his story Rip Van Winkle is famous too. I dont know why i knew the name of that story before i saw it. Must be like wiki said cause of the many adaptions in the last two centuries.

That story sounds like Sleepy Hallow short story too.

Are there other famous stories of this ? They dont have be that old, they can be period stories like the movie. Written today but set in those days and the feel of that kind of story.
 
Irving was primarily a humorist-a bad one,seeing what he did with "a ghoistly bridegroom" or however is the original title.
 
Irving was primarily a humorist-a bad one,seeing what he did with "a ghoistly bridegroom" or however is the original title.

Is that all you have read of him ?

He is more famous than i thought. I saw him credited as the father of the american short story.


Im wondering if he is any good. Specially with his famous horror stories and whatever. Hoping someone else here have read enough of him to help me out.

The Specter Bridegroom is not one of his famous stories so i geuss you cant judge him by that.
 
Well,I meant if you have the book and could name a few lesser known rarities perhaps?Cause,well,the catalogues 15 dollar plus what another 12-20
shiping costs and around here thats alot of money,if it would only be used as a reference to buy other books

I'll look through my copy and send along any particular items that seem to fit; though I will also keep it brief, as most of this is also copyrighted material, I believe. Incidentally, there are lists of the "weird items" in his library in other volumes, such as the final Collected Essays....
 
I'm sure JD will chime in here Conn but I think he's defintely worth a look. I particularly enjoyed Sleepy Hollow, German Student, Rip Van Winkle etc.. and he is an imprortant figure.

I think I have a best of Irving somewhere in my library...
 
I'd have to strongly disagree with Lobolover on Irving; he was, in fact, quite a good humorist; much more subtle and textured than a simple jokester; instead, he was someone who was very precise at evoking and developing a particular effect, and often able to turn it on its head at the climactic moment. He was also often very good at blending the spectral and humor, as in several moments of "The Spectre Bridegroom" (which is actually a modern take on a much older tale, adapted to a peculiarly American sensibility -- a very skillful rendering of the theme, frankly), not to mention "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow", portions of "The Money Diggers", and several other pieces which he wrote.

Irving was, in many ways, the father of the American short story (as Charles Brockden Brown was of the American novel), and he had quite a wide range of skills in writing, from outright satire -- he even managed to do a wonderfully witty parody of such journals as The Spectator, The Rambler, The Idler, and the like (Salmagundi) -- to tales of genuine pathos, historical and biographical works, retellings of old legends and myths, "straight" ghostly tales now and again, adventure stories... and more. He had a very urbane touch, and his work is often on the level of literary caviar -- to be savored slowly, for its textures, its subtle blending of flavors, and for his exquisite use of the language. He also wrote two wonderfully fine potpourri volumes, The Sketchbook of Geoffrey Crayon, Gent., and Bracebridge Hall, which are simply delightful volumes of reminiscence, travel essays, recountings of legends and traditions, political and social satire, and affectionate regard for the variegated foibles and follies of humankind.

As with most writers of his generation, Irving had a prodigiously wide range of subjects and styles, and remains one of the gems of American literature....

By the bye... it makes an interesting experience to read and contrast Irving with Thomas Moore, as they were not only contemporaries, but wrote on many of the same themes, with vastly different points of view and, consequently, effective results....
 
The urbane touch is what im looking for. Hoping for the wierd little village feel of Sleepy Hallow.

When i read about the short story and Rip Van Winkle i got that feel from the synopsis the little i read not wanting to spoil myself too much.

The myths is important too. The headless horseman angle is what drew me to Irving cause i liked that part of the movie best.
 
Speaking of which, HPL wrote a delightful little bit on Sleepy Hollow in one of his travel essays -- in fact, it was included in some school textbooks during his lifetime. You may want to look that up sometime.....
 
J.D.-again,I was solely referencing that one uterly horrible story people here get the hots for,regardless if it IS a ghost story or not.-I may have worded it badly.Its just the links to Poe later on in that story-"The Spectre Bridegroom", well,I didnt realy like it,because you kinda saw from some details what it wouid lead to.And puting this together with Gaskel,serious Poe and Hawthorne-
 
J.D.-again,I was solely referencing that one uterly horrible story people here get the hots for,regardless if it IS a ghost story or not.-I may have worded it badly.Its just the links to Poe later on in that story-"The Spectre Bridegroom", well,I didnt realy like it,because you kinda saw from some details what it wouid lead to.And puting this together with Gaskel,serious Poe and Hawthorne-

I'm afraid you have the order reversed here. "The Spectre Bridegroom" was from 1819-1820, long before Poe had written any of his tales, let alone published them; ditto Hawthorne. As for the reference to Gaskell -- are you meaning Elizabeth Gaskell? I'm afraid I don't see the connection, save in a very general way; and, again, Mrs. Gaskell was writing long after Irving's main literary career was over....
 
I KNOW-what I meant was that Poe used it at a LATER time.
Its half four AM and my "e" key doesnt work much,so im kinda tired.

And what I meant by puting those all together-ive referenced it several times- that horror anthology (not the purely Poe one),which had serious stuff like "Rapaccini's Daughter",an inbetween story by Poe,then a story by Gaskel,some other serious stuff and then THAT story.Fast forward about 5 years,an entierely diferent colection-and WHAT story do you expect they choose from Irving,alongisde stuff like "The monkeys paw" or "An ocurence at owl creek bridge"-you guessed it.
Well,out of ALL of Blackwood,they chose "a haunted isle" to represent him,so thats anothr factor too.
 
I see. The connection wasn't that clear before, as several books have been discussed in the intervening period. But this is the fault of the editor, in that case, and hardly to be chalked up to Irving's account. As I noted earlier, this particular tale was a retelling of a very old tale, adapted to particularly American sensibilities, with Irving's trademark ironies and wry wit added. The intent was more to parody such things than to tell a straight ghostly tale; and, as such, I'd say he succeeded admirably. To top if off, when he is dealing with the supposed ghostliness of the figure, he doesn't do at all badly in conveying just the impression such a figure would traditionally make... while yet maintaining enough of a slyly humorous tone to keep the reader balanced between the "suspension of disbelief" and outright knowing the imposture.... And, of course, Poe himself was more than a little influenced by Irving....

I'm curious, though: Which Gaskell was included in the volume?
 
the one about the spectral kid in that old house.A "nanny" was telling it,hope that works.
 
the one about the spectral kid in that old house.A "nanny" was telling it,hope that works.

"The Old Nurse's Story", sounds like. That seems to be the default tale by Gaskell, I'm afraid. A good tale, but one does get a little tired of seeing only that one.....:rolleyes:
 
Thts the exact same problm with Irving-I would LIKE to read some of the stuff HPL advises,but they only publish that one single story.

But weve got a slight bit of the topic,now havent we?To the catalogue-well, its not like copying the whole contents,I mean,HPL comented on theese things both in his essays and his letters too.
 
Thts the exact same problm with Irving-I would LIKE to read some of the stuff HPL advises,but they only publish that one single story.

But weve got a slight bit of the topic,now havent we?To the catalogue-well, its not like copying the whole contents,I mean,HPL comented on theese things both in his essays and his letters too.

A. Yes, he did, but we have only a very tiny portion of Lovecraft's correspondence in print, whereas Joshi has culled from all available collections of his manuscript letters, the Arkham House Transcripts of his letters, etc.; so not all of these references have been published as of yet. And even those which are, are (I believe) still under copyright. B. "Fair Use" is a rather slippery concept, but one thing which has been stated over and over in any authoritative reference to it is that among the things considered are the amount quoted and the possible impact on the commercial viability of the item quoted from. If the latter is impacted negatively, then it is much less likely to be considered fair use and much more likely to be considered copyright infringement or outright theft.

Now, while what I propose to do is nothing even approaching that, the feeling I'm getting here (I could be wrong) is that I'm being asked to at very least "skirt" this issue. To be frank, I have no intention of doing so. My support goes entirely to the writer and/or their chosen heirs (should the writer be deceased), even where such causes me no little inconvenience. And in this case, I have far too much respect and admiration for S. T. Joshi to wish to in any way step over the line as concerns the work he has done.

While this may not be the case here, far too often I see people on the internet thinking that this sort of work (as well as fiction) should be free access, regardless of copyright laws; that "information wants to (or should be) free". That's utter nonsense. "The laborer is worthy of his hire" applies here, and whether it be a fiction writer, a scholar doing research, or what-have-you, they deserve the benefit of their hard work, not we. If I feel in any way that to post something will be to lessen that, it won't be posted.

Again, such may not be the case in this instance, but that is how the above comes across, especially given prior comments about the Eddy-Lovecraft collaborations, and I'm replying accordingly. If I am in error about the intent, then I certainly apologize; but addressing this growing trend does no harm in any event.
 
well,yes.but stil,adressing the bearest info itself encyclopdiacaly is not anything worth to get all uptight about.Its just I wont be ableto get it,thats why im asking if theres something I dont know of in there.
 
The reason I come on so strong on this matter is that I've seen the sort of thing I describe above an awful lot, and the trend does seem to be growing. It never seems to occur to most people involved in this that, without selling the material, there's no reason for publishers to print it in the first place, nor for writers to attempt to get published. And with something as specialized as this, it doesn't take much of a diminishment in sales to make such a thing simply non-viable; which would be a great loss for Lovecraft scholarship.

As for specifics here: the listing of "Weird &c Items in Library of H. P. Lovecraft", as included in the book, amounts to five pages of material, which is quite a bit. As you've asked for lesser-known items (or ones not so well known today), these are what I'll include... though with many of these, I know little or nothing about them.

They are:

Leonid Nikolaevich Andreyev: The Seven That Were Hanged (also includes The Red Laugh), with an introduction by Thomas Seltzer, published by Boni & Liveright (Modern Library). Joshi dates this to "[1918] or [1925]". LL#29

Michael Arlen: Ghost Stories [1927] (which Lovecraft, however, describes as "unbelievably lacking in every possible element of the truly weird"). LL#41

John Jacob Astor: A Journey in Other Worlds: A Romance of the Future (1894). LL#46

F. Britten Austin: On the Borderland (1923). Lovecraft describes this as "mediocre". LL#51

Mary Bligh-Blond: Avernus (1924). LL#107

Frank Cowan: Revi-Lona: A Romance of Love in a Marvellous Land [188?]. LL#198

Jules Barbey d'Aurevilly: The Story without a Name (trans. by Edgar Saltus; 1891). LL#65

James De Mille: A Strange Manuscript Found in a Copper Cylinder [1888]. LL#230

Benjamin Disraeli: Alroy [1833]. LL#252

Esther Forbes: A Mirror for Witches in Which is Reflected the Life, Machinations, and Death of Famous Doll Bilby (1928). LL#322

Friedrich Heinrich Karl La Motte-Fouqué: Undine and Sintram (includes Undine, The Two Captains, Auslauga's Knight, Sintram and His Companions). LL#513

Charles Loring Jackson: The Gold Point and Other Strange Stories (1926) LL#466

Basil King: The Spreading Dawn: Stories of the Great Transition (1927). LL#495

Stephen McKenna: The Oldest God (1926). Joshi labels this a "Weird novel". LL#579

Fred Lewis Pattee: The House of the Black Ring (1916). Joshi notes that "Pattee reviewed HPL's Supernatural Horror in Literature in American Literature 18, No. 2 (May 1946): 175-77". LL#679

Leo Perutz: The Master of the Day of Judgment (trans. by Hedwig Singer; 1930). LL#687

Sir Arthur Quiller-Couch: Noughts and Crosses: Stories, Studies, and Sketches (1893). LL#715

____________________: Old Fires and Profitable Ghosts: A Book of Stories (1900). LL#716

____________________: Wandering Heath: Stories, Studies, and Sketches (1896). LL#717

W. Clark Russell: The Flying Dutchman; or, The Dutch Ship [1888]. LL#751

_____________: The Frozen Pirate [1887]. LL#752

Frank Mackenzie Savile: Beyond the Great South Wall: The Secret of the Antarctic [1899]. LL#759

M. P. Shiel: The Lord of the Sea [1901]. LL#798

May Sinclair: The Intercessor and Other Stories (1932). LL#803

Sir Osbert Sitwell: The Man Who Lost Himself (1929). LL#805

Signe Toksvig: The Last Devil (1927). LL#887\

J. Provand Webster: The Oracle of Baal: A Narrative of Some Curious Events in the Life of Professor Horatio Charmichael, M.A. (1896). LL#928

S. Fowler Wright: Deluge: A Romance (1928). LL#973

______________: The World Below (1930). LL#974

Dolf Wyllarde: Stories of Strange Happenings (1930). LL#975

There are also sections on anthologies, treatises, and on myth, folklore, and the occult as well....

I don't always agree with his assessments of various writers; some (such as Le Fanu) whom he felt rather coldly toward, have long been recognized as among the great contributors to the field, and I would agree. HPL did have his blind spots, too. Some of the above volumes are back in print, such as The Frozen Pirate; while the books by "Q" (Sir Arthur Quiller-Couch), though sometimes traditional, are certainly high on the list of Victorian spectral lore.
 
THANKS! :) :) :)

"The Seven That Were Hanged"-gasp-promising title-I didnt KNOW HPL liked ANY of the russians-Ive got a collection recently from a russain author,with a story about a madman,thinking all the evil in the world is conentrated in a single flower and tries to destroy it-havent goten around to finish it yet-but Id imagine he'd like that too.It is on amazon,I could try to find it online,but god,you have to admit the new editios has an AWFULL cover. Amazon.com: The Seven That Were Hanged: Leonid Andreyev, Thomas Seltzer: Books

Edit:E-text time! http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext04/seveh10.txt

Ill go through those others,but I have to coment on Undine-I read it myself and I can try to find the other ones-but even if it is a tad juvenile,I HAVE to say its good and the mentionings of people that always confuse the stream for a giant so many times made me think he WASNT a stream at all.


OH-And ive just found an online store at this country selling the 1921 translation of Alraune for 198 crowns (103 shiping,which is weird)-which is marvelous,as the original price istn even 5 US dollars-for a 400 page extra rare book-they only have one,though,but I am SO geting it ! :)
 
HPL hadn't read a great many of the Russian writers, no, but he did read some, and commented on them here and there, and certainly he recognized their importance, even when they didn't necessarily appeal to him personally.

Congratulations on the Alraune! I've yet to read that one, though I did read The Sorcerer's Apprentice back those many years ago (own both now, so will be getting around to them sometime in the next 6 months or so, I reckon). Hope you enjoy it.

There was a little book of three stories by Ewers, titled Blood, but from what I've seen, it's rather difficult to find here nowadays, and tends to be a bit pricey....

Thanks, too, for the link to the Andreyev. I'd like to read that one, as well, in the near future....

EDIT: Well, I did find a copy of Blood, just after posting the above, for a quite reasonable price -- first time I've seen that for over 20 years....
 
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