General Weird discusion thread

I have, but it's been quite some time since I last did much in the way of fiction. Most of my writing is of a critical nature these days.

I'm not quite sure what you mean with Coleridge, though, especially about the "believable" ending....
 
The angels apearing and all that jazz.

But dont you ever get any ideas,fiction-wise?

Which reminds me-Id like to ask you about Wells and Level-which storis of theese (especialy the former) are worth a read,in this dreary genre of ours?
 
The angels apearing and all that jazz.

But dont you ever get any ideas,fiction-wise?

Which reminds me-Id like to ask you about Wells and Level-which storis of theese (especialy the former) are worth a read,in this dreary genre of ours?

Ummm... you consider that to be a more "believable" ending? As for bringing God into it... one could hardly expect otherwise, given such a moral tale, and the period, not to mention the entire philosophical idea of the supernatural here....

I do, but not that often these days.

And... "dreary"?
 
Just a "knock up",to see if you'd bite it :)

I know that about Coleridge-I just wish he lived at a later time.

Oh-and one thing-while reading 252-did Torvieja present himself to you visualy as Aleister Crowley as well?
 
Hmmm. No, can't say as he did. Speaking of Crowley, though... have you ever read W. Somerset Maugham's The Magician?
 
That one I read even longer ago... when I was about 10 (eeep! that's 40 years ago now!!!). But I recall quite liking it, nonetheless....

What about the writers (and tales) mentioned in the earliest parts of the essay? Things like "the werewolf incident in Petronius, the gruesome passages in Apuleius, the brief but celebrated letter of Pliny the Younger to Sura, and the odd compilation On Wonderful Events by the Emperor Hadrian's Greek freedman, Phlegon"? If you'll recall, Lovecraft notes that: "It is in Phlegon that we first find that hideous tale of the corpse-bride, Philinnion and Machates, later related by Proclus and in modem times forming the inspiration of Goethe's Bride of Corinth and Washington Irving's German Student...".
 
They're worth looking into. I'm not sure the whole of The Satyricon would be suited to your taste (though it is quite an achievement, even in the fragmentary form we have it now), but the werewolf tale there might appeal, and is certainly one of the earliest known instances of the theme being used in literature. Ditto Apuleius' The Golden Ass... though as a picaresque fantasy novel, this is quite a marvelous read as a whole. But it's the "gruesome passages" that fit more in the weird theme here... Pliny's letter is almost the type of traditional ghost tale, and fits a pattern which is still used in many ghost stories today, not to mention having helped form our ideas of how ghosts are supposed to behave. The Proclus isn't easy to find in English translation, but one can find that particular section of it, and it makes for interesting reading to someone partial to the weird tale.

http://www.horrormasters.com/Text/a0494.pdf

http://www.horrormasters.com/Text/a0073.pdf

LXXXIII. To Sura. Pliny the Younger. 1909-14. Letters. The Harvard Classics.

http://www.horrormasters.com/Collections/SS_Col_Collison-Morley.htm
 
J.D.-OH ,the Pliny leter,I READ that in a collection with Poe,Pu Sung Ling and Lytton.

Anyway-you'd recomend any of the Wells tales (the kind which HPL might have liked,as he wrote in SHiL) ?And what about Level-nevr heard of him.

Oh and one more thing-St. Leon-it was never published here,but its 200 years old,so its BOUND to be in th public domain-any ideas?

Fontaine-the diferent strain of horror throughout the centuries-fascination with the weird and the macabre-Lytton's masterfull excercises in "A Straneg Story"-but mostly the things writen by HPL,his clique,people from the period (Machen,Blackwood,Shiel) and the things referenced in Lovecrafts essay-the first modern survey of the horror tale-"Supernatural Horror in literature".
 
Which (late though it is for this thread:eek:), can be found at the link below:

http://www.gordon-fernandes.com/hp-...l Horror In Literature by H_ P_ Lovecraft.htm

along with this for several of the tales suggested:

http://www.gordon-fernandes.com/hp-lovecraft/other_authors/index.html

Also, see the links above, as well as:

The Literary Gothic - the premier webguide to pre-1950 Gothic literature

and:

HorrorMasters Themes - Over 2000 Free Horror Stories Organized Into Horror Themes...Ghosts, Vampires, Monsters, the Occult, etc.

On Wells... oddly enough, his style has always (or almost always) tended to put me off a bit; but, aside from such novels as The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, The Food of the Gods, The Island of Dr. Moreau, and The Invisible Man, I'd suggest the tales in Thirty Strange Stories. While I've not read them all, those I have have often impressed me at least conceptually, and some in their handling as well.... You might want to read both "Pollock and the Porroh Man" and "Lukundoo" together, by the way; it's obvious the former influenced the latter, even though the latter was from a dream of White's....

Maurice Level: some of his work can be found at the above; but most of his stuff dealt with the conte cruel, rather than the genuinely spectral or weird in its truest sense.
 
thanks-ive already read Lukundoo,though.

And.why are you linking SHiL?For Fontain?

Hmm-gonna try it.Any personal recomendations from that colection?
 
For anyone who comes across the thread and is interested; simply to make it easier to get discussions going.

The ones I recall impressing me most from the Wells volume (again, read about three decades ago now) would be: "The Strange Orchid", "Æpyornis Island", "The Plattner Story", "In the Abyss", "The Cone", "Pollock and the Porroh Man", and "The Sea Raiders".
 
Hmm.Yes.Im only asking cause ive read ONE story from this,"the stolen bacilus" and though it was humorous sci-fi.

And-could you please kindly refresh my memory on what happened in the Pliny leter?
 
Eh? The link above should take you to the letter itself, which is really quite short. Suffice to say that in many ways it seems to have defined the pattern for many of the ghost stories that follow... even though this is supposed to be an actual occurrence....
 
Hmm-well,hearsay was much more believed in those days.

And strangely-arent ALL the best horror writers skeptics?
 
Hmm-well,hearsay was much more believed in those days.

And strangely-arent ALL the best horror writers skeptics?

By no means; at least, this was the case until well into the nineteenth century and beyond. After all, most writers (of any stripe) before that point tended to have some religious belief; many had a fair amount of belief in the supernatural in one form or another (even if a somewhat reserved belief at times); very few of them were outright skeptics in the sense of complete disbelief.

Blackwood and Machen were both mystics (in fact, both belonged, at one time or another, to The Order of the Golden Dawn); Bulwer was certainly a mystic; E. F. Benson had at least a belief in the possibility of the supernatural, as did M. R. James; so did Hodgson, Wakefield, Dickens, and Le Fanu. It's more a matter of not being gullible enough to buy into much of the formalized occultism and spiritualism (which really do tend to show a rather meagre imagination when you look at their stuff), rather than an outright skepticism. In other words, they do see it as a violation of the natural order, the irruption of the numinous or supernatural into the natural, more mechanistic, universe, and therefore an extremely rare thing, as it questions the very nature of accepted reality; whereas those who view such things as relatively common tend to (as HPL pointed out) view them as less impressive and awesome or terrifying.

With the Pliny, though... keep in mind that it wasn't that hearsay was so much more easily accepted, as that there was less known about the way the world works, and therefore such things were thought to be less unlikely or impossible than the rationalist of today would hold them to be.
 

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