Jaime

[hodor]

There is also Ser Jorah to consider. He has little liking for the Starks, especially Ned, and he's been telling Dany his side of things for a long time. However, the fact remains that Dany really can't afford to off or ostracize all of the more powerful houses in Westeros; she needs to make amends with at least some of them, or she will lose the favor from the rest of the realm.


I, too, believe that Jon and Dany will not end up together. She needs an heir, though.

She can send people to serve on the wall and not loose favor. However, given that SPOILER:

Ned is dead... who is she gonna punish on the Stark side for what they did before they were born?

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

She can send people to serve on the wall and not loose favor. However, given that SPOILER:

Ned is dead... who is she gonna punish on the Stark side for what they did before they were born?

I agree that sending people to the Wall would be well done on her part, not to mention the obvious fact that the Wall needs some serious maintenance and re-staffing.

I don't know who she would punish amongst the Starks. I was really just throwing it out there as food for thought.

 

[hodor]

I agree that sending people to the Wall would be well done on her part, not to mention the obvious fact that the Wall needs some serious maintenance and re-staffing.

I don't know who she would punish amongst the Starks. I was really just throwing it out there as food for thought.

Aye, and I have thought about it a bit. I think she would take stock is who is there and where they stand. This is all depending on how much she knows of the current situation though.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

Aye, and I have thought about it a bit. I think she would take stock is who is there and where they stand. This is all depending on how much she knows of the current situation though.

I think that Dany will try to judge as fairly as possible and get the story from all who have been involved so far. Also, in support of my earlier statement, she is someone who longs to be loved. I think she will be desperate to cater to the people in order to curry favor with them.

 

[erickad71]

I think she will be desperate to cater to the people in order to curry favor with them.

I don't think she will be desperate to curry favor. She's been in very dire situations before and never shown desperation except when her contractions started. While I agree with you about her longing to be loved, she is such a brave woman...and she takes the council of those who are around her. Takes it and does what she will with it. In a good way so far.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

This is true. It would be dangerous to ostracize anyone too powerful, though, as I have said before. I guess that's another reason why her experiences thus far have been most valuable.

 

[erickad71]

True. Where do you think she will go first in Westeros? Or where do you think she should go first?

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

True. Where do you think she will go first in Westeros? Or where do you think she should go first?

I think the best place to start would be King's Landing. It's the heart of the Kingdom, and she really needs to nip it in the bud, so to speak. She needs to sit the Iron Throne before she can really claim the country. It would serve her very well symbolically, as well.

 

[Winters_Sorrow]

I think she'll take Dragonstone first.

For the family connections, loyal retainers who (after Stannis) will be MORE than happy to see her arrive.
And she can get to do the whole Aegon thing again!

 

[Jinglehopper]

As far as Dany sending people to the wall, does anyone else seem to think that there is a showdown brewing between the mystical powers behind the wall and the dragons of Targaryen?

Will there even be a wall left by the time Dany reaches Westeros?

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

As far as Dany sending people to the wall, does anyone else seem to think that there is a showdown brewing between the mystical powers behind the wall and the dragons of Targaryen?

Will there even be a wall left by the time Dany reaches Westeros?

Oof, that's a toughie. I hate to think what Dragonfire would do to the Wall.

 

[Jinglehopper]

Here's what i think is going to happen over the next few books. The Wall will crumble. (remember: Winter Is Coming) The Others will ravash the North and possibly the Trident. All the factions currently battling for the Iron Throne will need to form some kind of resistance to the wights, maybe under Jon Snow. They will be beaten, or pushed back. At the same time, Dany will land on Dragonstone or King's Landing to claim Westeros but will find her beloved homeland in ruins. She will lead the armies of the Free Cities, Westeros and her dragonflight against the wights and defeat them forever. After that, she won't have to fight for the Iron Throne, everyone from the nobles to the smallfolk will demand that she rule Westeros.

Hmmm? Sound too wrapped-up?

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

Here's what i think is going to happen over the next few books. The Wall will crumble. (remember: Winter Is Coming) The Others will ravash the North and possibly the Trident. All the factions currently battling for the Iron Throne will need to form some kind of resistance to the wights, maybe under Jon Snow. They will be beaten, or pushed back. At the same time, Dany will land on Dragonstone or King's Landing to claim Westeros but will find her beloved homeland in ruins. She will lead the armies of the Free Cities, Westeros and her dragonflight against the wights and defeat them forever. After that, she won't have to fight for the Iron Throne, everyone from the nobles to the smallfolk will demand that she rule Westeros.

Hmmm? Sound too wrapped-up?

It all sounds possible to me, except for the Wall crumbling. I know it has been weeping quite a bit, but Winter is coming, and I think it will freeze up. Unless the Others have a way to collapse it.

 

[Jinglehopper]

That's what I was thinking, the Others would break the Wall down.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

That's what I was thinking, the Others would break the Wall down.

Oh, haha, it sounded at first like you thought it was just going to desintigrate.

Only thing is, I read a spoiler from Jon's PoV somewhere, in which there were some things that made it seem like the Others would have a tough time doing anything too bad to the Wall.

 

[Jinglehopper]

I think you're right, even further I think that the Others is the reason the Wall was built in the first place. But because of their increased activity of late, I think there must be something found (a la the Horn Of Winter) which will break down the wall or at least weaken the sorcery which created it.

Otherwise, why all the attention given to the Others by Martin? If they don't threaten the rest of the kingdom somehow, I will be disappointed.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

Umm, I really don't want to give anything away here, but I know a little sumpin' sumpin' about the Horn of Winter. I guess I'm just that cool.

And yes, I agree that the Others should pose a greater threat than usual, and should not be simply turned back at the Wall.

 

[erickad71]

Umm, I really don't want to give anything away here, but I know a little sumpin' sumpin' about the Horn of Winter. I guess I'm just that cool.

Awww, come on now...you can't just dangle that little bit in front of us. What is it you know?!

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

Awww, come on now...you can't just dangle that little bit in front of us. What is it you know?!

Okaaaaaay, but I don't want to hear that I've ruined anything for you.....


******************SPOILER!!!!!*************************






After Jon has assumed the Command of the Wall, and Stannis has arrived, Stannis keeps offering Jon Winterfell. In addition, Mance Rayder is captured. He has the Horn of Winter. Mance Rayder is given to the fire, as is the Horn of Winter, I believe at Melisandre's urging. Jon has mercy on Mance and has him shot with arrows to alleviate his suffering. Stannis will continue on, to fight the others, but Melisandre will remain at Castle Black, with Jon.





Melisandre really really makes my skin crawl. I don't want her near Jon, but that's just the way I heard it. Anyway, that may not have been the Horn of Winter, but apparently it was used to call the Giants to tear the Wall down.

 

[Culhwch]

I think you're right, even further I think that the Others is the reason the Wall was built in the first place.

Isn't that the established fact - the Wall was built to keep the Others on the other side? It wasn't built against Wildlings - rather Wildlings became Wildlings because of the Wall.

It's all well and good to talk about Jon and Dany leading armies against the Others, but what of Bran and Rickon? Not to mention Arya and Sansa? Where do they come into it, then? Bran is now King in North, though no one knows it. I, personally, have no idea what's going to happen, but running with the Jon-and-Dany from the south theory, maybe Bran will lead an army of wargs/animals from the north to crush the Others between them? Though I don't really like the sound of that, now I've written it down....