A Dance With Dragons: Speculation?

Oh, I agree that the bulk of the story still revolves around the Game of Thrones. And you make good arguments for Stannis being corrupted and/or Melisandre betraying Stannis. We've discussed Mel before... If she thinks Stannis is AA reborn, then either she's severely delusional or stupid. We know she's not stupid and I doubt she's delusional... Selyse and her uncle might be delusional, but Melisandre seems sane to me. Since she's not delusional nor stupid, then she must know that Stannis is not AAR. If she knows he's not AAR, then what is she up to? Sabotage of the resistance against THE Other my guess.

I don't envision Littlefinger, the Tyrells, or the Lannisters taking the Others seriously until they see them with their own eyes. Hmmmm. I sense that you have practical experience in story construction and plot development... at least more than me. I'm just a loud mouthed armchair critic. Hmmmm. So what's next?

The Wall was raised to prevent the return of the Others. And now they're back. If the Wall falls and Dany chases the Others back to the North, what will prevent them from marching south next winter? The only solution to that is for TPTWP/AAR to kill THE Other. If that happens and the Wall has been torn down, what will Jon do? What becomes of the NW?
 
I think Brandon Stark starts building another wall. Just like his namesake.

And one more point in favor of my 'the wall's gotta come down' position: Chekov once wrote a friend One must not put a loaded rifle on the stage if no one is thinking of firing it." I don't think the idea of The Horn of Winter, a horn one blows to bring the wall a tumblin' down, ever gets introduced if someone's not going to blow it at some point. Mance found a big scary horn that he never blew. John found a much less impressive horn on the fist of the first men... somebody's gonna blwo that horn.
 
Your logic has overwhelmed me. I confess that I don't have any more half baked ideas to serve up... the Wall must come down. So I say to George Martin (with apologies to Mr. Reagan), "Best Selling Author Martin, if you seek plausibility, if you seek continuity for your epic story, if you seek believability: Come here to this gate! Mr. Martin, open this gate! Mr. Martin, tear down this Wall!"
 
lol. That wall is coming down. Maybe there will be a cracks of doom scenario.

Do you think the dragons could breathe on one of the derelict rock castles and make dragonglass for all?
 
And now I feel as though I've bullied you. Who knows, maybe we'll be able to add The Wall coming down to my longish list of places I thought the story was headed that I was totally wrong about.

Some of my favorites:
*Robb and Gendry riding into battle together like their fathers before them, with Sandor close behind striking down Lannisters left and right.
*Nymeria coming out of nowhere to rip out a few throats in defense of Arya at some point when she was riding around the River Lands.
*A really kick ass alliance between Stark and Greyjoy that decimated the Lannister's from land and sea. I envisioned some scene where things looked dire for Robb when, out in the distance (probably with the sun rising behind them) came the longships sailing to the rescue (in my defense, this dream didn't last very long).
*Sansa doing something useful (this could, I suppose, still come to pass).
*I still have a recurring dream of a massive knight in nondescript armor riding into battle accompanied by a monstrous green eyed wolf and killing everyone in his path, giving no quarter and, just slaughtering the enemy. Sadly I don't see anyway for Rickon to get old enough by the end of the to series to really be a player.

I'd love to hear everybody else's misguided notions about where GRRM was taking us.
 
You should start a thread on this topic, O Cents-less One. (;):))


But perhaps wait for the old GRRM-sub-forum hands to list the threads that already cover this territory. (I'm not one of them, as if you haven't guessed that already.)
 
Ursa, he has at least two. He keeps dropping them on me.

Bullying me? No, it's not you... it's my old nemesis, Logic. He and I have been at odds forever.

Yeah, TK is really good about saying, "You don't need to see this post. This is not the thread you're looking for. You can go about your posting." Now if you want to start a thread regarding "I thought Eddard was going to die of old age" or "How did Martin's plot fool you?", then by all means start one.
 
And your avatar has played tricks with my weak will.
 
IlliferThePenniless said:
I'm duly chastened for going off topic. I will endeavor to do be more disciplined in the future.
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I wasn't chastising anyone, ITP, least of all you (what with all the insightful posts you've brought to us recently).


As to mentioning that you should create a new thread: I was making a genuine comment and asking (in my rather roundabout way) if some of the GRRM sub-forum's denizens already knew of such a thread, which us lesser mortals might enjoy reading (and adding to).
 
Here is my big theory, I've been dying to share it with someone for a while.

John Snow is not Ned's son. He's the illegitimate son of Lyanna Stark (Ned's sister) and Ned claimed him as his own to spare his sister's memory from shame. That would make John's father either Rhaegar or Robert Baratheon. Hmm? How about that?

And BTW Mr. Martin has said the additional POV is not Sandor, and the Tyrell's won't be in ADWD, which means it has to be Melisandre
 
Hi Justine, welcome to the forums!

The R+L=J (Rhaegar plus Lyanna equals Jon) theory has been around awhile, and discussed endlessly here - you might want to check out the rest of the GRRM boards for the numerous threads devoted to it (though you might wait for TK to come by and just list them here...). The good news is, even though it's old news, I'm sure you'll find two or three or a dozen folks here who'll happily and passionately discuss it anew.

Me, I think Ned is Jon's father. Just to be different, mostly.
 
Boaz said:
Since the Night's Watch is tied to the Wall (their vow includes a phrase about standing watch), this would mean that the Black Cloaks will die to a man... including Lord Snow. Somehow I don't see Jon retreating to Moat Cailin.

This had not occurred to me. Ugh.
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this is just speculation but maybe we can piece something together here
first before i make a fool of myself what is stanis's eye colour because when danys visits the undying she sees a vision of a king with a glowing red sword and blue eyes with a dragon banner blowing

now my musing could jon become an other, bran rides away with someone that seems like an other so they can still retain there mind it seems plus there was a story about a stark of old that became one. I dont think that the others are all bad maybe the come off that way but Mel comes off as evil, dany and jon have to work together it is a song of ice AND fire i would like to believe it is a ying-yang

now on how Jon gets lightbringer..... this may seem crazy but who knows i think he kills Arya she has lost her way and serves the stranger it would seem if he is Azhor reborn he has to kill someone he loves right now in his life i think only Ayra fits the bill, plus GRRM has said he could kill her off

one last thing tyrion... targ? it would seem that all the targaryens living in the world killed there mothers being born also the tail they cut off seems a lot like danys baby that she lost.

now i am probably wrong if you ask my wife i am always wrong but if i cant read ADWD i'll imagine my own
 
The best analysis and most complete analysis I've found regarding Jon's parent is at Tower of the Hand:

Past Events: Jon Snow's Parents ~ Tower of the Hand

You can find the same information by going through the 80 threads that TK-421 posted but it's all in one place and neatly organized at Tower of the Hand. Scroll down to point III to get into R+L=J.
 
In my head it is a foregone conclusion that a dragon must die, due to the fact that the author is GRRM. I don't like this at all but feel it is INEVITABLE.

Am I alone in this fear of Dragocide?
 
Any idea of when this is even supposed to come out, if it isn't already? I just a couple days ago bought A Game of Thrones to kickstart the series and I'll be starting it after I get done with my copies of Elizabeth Haydon's Rhapsody series, so I was wondering if I should be on the lookout for ADWD soon or not.....
 
Manarion said:
Any idea of when this is even supposed to come out, if it isn't already? I just a couple days ago bought A Game of Thrones to kickstart the series and I'll be starting it after I get done with my copies of Elizabeth Haydon's Rhapsody series, so I was wondering if I should be on the lookout for ADWD soon or not.....
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ADWD was supposed to be published at least 2 years ago as of this December. We're all cautiously optimistic that GRRM has been making good progress recently, with approximately 1k manuscript pages already in to the editor.

You have a lot of reading to do before ADWD though, iuf you've not yet started AGOT. Let us know what you think when you do.
 
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