hear me out.. a 4th dragon

[Rfred]

In AFFC it is mentioned briefly a few times.

1 it is mention during a council meeting in kings landing that there were reports of a "sea monster" that had attacked a few ships.

2 Euron mentions that during his crazy global escapades that he had found a stone dragon egg. he said something about trying all sorts of crap to try and get it to hatch but to no avail. He then kicked it overboard into the sea.

Tell me one of you folks has picked up on this. this has got to be a more viable possibility than Melisandres failed attempts to raise a stone dragon.
This is all the more plausible since the intensity of magic is increasing.

 

[TK-421]

Great first post and welcome to the forum.

This is very interesting. 3 dragons born by fire and 1 dragon born by water. Will the Damphair and his Drowned God come into play here???

And we know that water always puts out fire.

 

[Boaz]

Rfred, Welcome!

I believe Varys mentioned a Kraken to the Small Council just so he could follow it up with a three headed Dragon in Qarth and ensure that none of his listeners gave the story any credence, but so that he also was able to cover his, err, assets.

I love your non-conformist thinking. I love that you've made a connection that I've never heard about. But seriously, Euron's lost egg becoming a sea Dragon? That's preposterous!... yet, I kinda like it.

There are also thoughts on a Dragon either being awakened from being sealed somewhere on Dragonstone or somewhere in The Wall. I'm sure TK can find the references for you. <cough> Uh, TK?

 

[Dornish First Sword]

Indeed a very good post, and intriguing. I think there are probably many more than just the three dragons. Its mentioned several times that dragons are thought to exist elsewhere in the world, perhaps they do.

I agree that it would be interesting however for that egg that Euron kicked overboard to have spawned a "water dragon" or something of the like.

Welcome to the chrons Rfred.

 

[viZion]

Hey, don't forget about the dragon beneath Winterfell that took off after Winterfell was burned to the ground. Seen through the eyes of one of the wolves (Summer, maybe?).

 

[Koopa]

Vizion u beat me to it. i was about to mention that one.
I actually believe there may actualy have been.
A sleeping dragon, providing winterfell with natural warmth.
Starks seem to have a natural talent for magic in some ways.
(Either because of their connection to the green men of the forest (forget their description) or because of something else they come in contact with from the moment they are born without them knowing, or both or ....

 

[Rfred]

Yeah it was kind of a stretch but I wouldnt be surprised if something unexpected shows up when they start blowing that horn they found in Valeria. What would happen if Euron happened to get some sort of water beast/Kraken? That would most definately make taking port towns or coastal areas much more convenient. Kings landing, Dragonstone, Storms End all would be easy pickings for a reaver king with a Kraken mascot. As well as establishing a little but of competition for Dany. Cuz honestly who is going to stand in her way once(if) she gets her dragons fit to fight? Aside from the "Others" and your random underachieving King with fake magic sword that is.

thanks for having me folks. Ive been reading your posts for a few months now and its been rather entertaining.

 

[TK-421]

There are also thoughts on a Dragon either being awakened from being sealed somewhere on Dragonstone or somewhere in The Wall. I'm sure TK can find the references for you. <cough> Uh, TK?

Right! I got it. This is what I recall:

Who will wake up the stone dragon

Dragon Foes

 

[Rfred]

I dont recall the winterfell dragon bit. I get the hot spring part but where did it say bran/summer saw something fleeing Winterfell when it burned?

 

[IlliferThePenniless]

In ACoK, as bran is watching Winterfell burn through Summer's eyes

"The smoke and ash clouded his eyes, and in the sky he saw a great winged snake whose roar was a river of flame. He bared his teeth, but then the snake was gone. Behind the cliffs tall fires were eating up the stars."

It's just that sentence, which could easily be assumed to a bit of poetic license on Martin's part. But it is suggestive.

 

[Culhwch]

I always assumed it was poetic, just a shape in the smoke. But who knows...?

 

[Pyan]

Um - would a direwolf be able to visualise the concept of a snake with wings?

 

[TK-421]

Could be a reference to Dany. Perhaps some foreshadowing that Bran will connect with Dany somehow.

 

[Pyan]

Um - would a direwolf be able to visualise the concept of a snake with wings?

Sorry, I just realised how ambiguous this was...

What I was trying to say, was that it seems unlikely that Summer would have the ability to imagine such a thing as a winged snake - given that he'd never actually seen one.
Doesn't that, plus the usually meticulous wordcraft of GRRM, suggest that it's not a metaphor or poetic imagery, but a literal description? GRRM has already mentioned smoke in the sentence - is Summer seeing dragon-shaped smoke through other smoke?

 

[Culhwch]

That's a fair point, Py. I just don't think I really want to believe that there was a dragon slumbering under Winterfell, because I think that's a little twee for this world.

 

[JDP]

I must admit, every time I've read the book I've assumed that the 'flying snake' over Winterfell is just imagery. In regard to the assertion that Summer wouldn't be capable of such imagery, don't forget we're seeing through Bran, through Summer... so it could be Bran's imagination 'translating' what Summer is seeing; it's a fine line between the consciousnesses of one and the other.

However, on further investigation, later in the same chapter, Osha makes the following comment:

“We made noise enough to wake a dragon,” Osha said

Could be some tricksy wordplay/foreshadowing on GRRM's part?

I must admit, I'm not convinced. I think this is just imagery (but look forward to being proven wrong ).

 

[the smiling weirwood]

I always assumed it was a gout of flame or something. Dragons are fire made flesh in this world.

Which is one reason I don't particularly believe that there would be a water dragon.

Personally, I don't think Euron kicked the dragon egg overboard at all. Why would he? When he went to so much trouble to get the horn and is now sending his brother after Daenerys. I think he still has the egg and wants her to hatch it, and then use the horn to control it himself.

 

[Ursa major]

I'm not totally sure, but didn't the dragons come from the east with the Targaryens, i.e. well within "recorded" history?

How did the Starks get hold of an egg/dragon? And if they had done so, wouldn't they pass the knowledge of this down through the generations?

 

[TK-421]

The Starks could never have gotten a dragon egg as they descendants of Bran the Builder and never left Westeros. The dragons are Valyrian along with the Targaryens, right?

I still this is some kind of foreshadowing.

 

[Lofwyr]

what is the specific wording of the azor ahai prophecy and waking dragons from stone? Seems any dragon under winterfell would certainly be esconced in stone at the very least.

I bring this up because i seem to recall the prophecy mentioning salt (ironborn/tears/etc) and smoke (...smoke) and the red comet...all of which were present (somewhat) at the sacking of winterfell. I don't have the books handy atm, but a cross reference could highlight more links between the two.