hear me out.. a 4th dragon

[IlliferThePenniless]

That's a good point Kiwi, but I don't think the important fact about Lightbringer was not its color, but rather the fact that AA killed his wife to temper the blade.

Ultimately, I think is Lofwyr is almost certainly right, that Dany is AA reborn and though any speculation to the contrary may be fun, it'll ultimately prove fruitless.

 

[Koopa]

I wasn't referring to AA, which i too believe meant Danaerys.
I was referring to Dany's vsion. A red sword raised by a blue-eyed king.
Gendry is not a king. Some might say he is though, seeing as (i think) he is the eldest male child of Robert baratheon.

 

[IlliferThePenniless]

A red sword raised by a blue eyed king standing on the prow of a ship without a shadow. Each of those things describes Stannis... it's hard to believe it's anybody else.

 

[Koopa]

-A red sword was raised in the hand of a blue-eyed king.
-A corpse stood at the
prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, grey lips smiling sadly

Both are different vision/prophecies. They are not linked. the first describes one event, the second another.

The first is as of yet unknown.
In the second vision Danaerys probably saw her granduncle? Aemon targaryen whilst he was sailing to Oldtown with Samwell Tarly. During one of the scenes on the ship in which Aemon was babling about Danaerys and her dragons, the prophecy, how they believed it to mean Rheagar and so on, he stood on the prow of the ship smiling.

 

[Rfred]

Yeah I always assumed the smiling corpse with shoulder crow was old man aemontarg. Maybe all the profecies are about targ family members? Viserys, Rheghar, Aemon. That just leaves the blue eyed king with the sword. Some of you think one of elia's children escaped gregors wrath. Some still hold that the baretheons are the sons of ******* targs meaning it could be renly and technicaly still fit. Its madness I say!

 

[Pentagathus]

The blue eyed king could just be a Targ from history.

 

[IlliferThePenniless]

Glowing like sunset, a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue-eyed king who cast no shadow.

Unless someone can explain to me why Gendry/Random Targ(who would probably have purple eyes)/whoever else doesn't have a shadow, I think it's safe to say that that the vision refers to Stannis.

A corpse stood at the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, grey lips smiling sadly.

I've always figured that's a Greyjoy (grey lip smiling=Greyjoy?)... maybe Theon, are there any Greyjoys presumed dead who may be returning?

 

[Ursa major]

Anyone can have no shadow, for example in the dark (I know, that's a silly example) or, with perhaps more relevance, with the sun directly overhead.

(I'm not sure where the equator is on the ASoIaF world, but I would expect that some of the more adventurous of the characters may have crossed it on their travels. One of the Greyjoys, perhaps?)



Or, to take a different slant on things: perhaps there is someone who Mel tries to weaken by taking their "shadow" who is resistant to her magic (or has no "shadow" to take).

 

[IlliferThePenniless]

Or maybe it was just a cloudy day... But why mention the lack of shadow unless it's important, or, at least, distinctive? And yes, there could be a hypothetical future character on whom Mel will practice some as of yet hypothetical form of magic.

Or maybe the vision refers to the blue eyed king with with a shiny red sword who's already had his shadow taken... possibly.

 

[Ursa major]

Or maybe the vision refers to the blue eyed king with with a shiny red sword who's already had his shadow taken... possibly.

I.e. Stannis, which is my current belief.





(Or is it someone like Coldhands...? )

 

[TK-421]

The Others have blue eyes and cast no shadow.

 

[Rfred]

In my prior post I meant stannis not renly. There is really no one else that fits the description that well. I was just stating that all those profecies were about Targs and that the baretheons are basically targ bastards meaning stannis fits the profecy that way too. And as far as the others having blue eyes and casting no shadow, many people on this site believe that stannis will become just that, an undead/ champion of the others.

 

[Rfred]

In my recent reread I found yet more references to sea dragons krakens. the horn on claw island that controls sea beasts? This along with the egg euron kicked into the sea plus the reports on the small council? I can't discount it personally.
Also another piece of profecy not explained....melesandrie ramblings... About a hero remade at sea? Davos? Sam finding courage? The martel kid? Edric storm?
Regardless...sea dragon is a comin you wait and see. And its not one of danys!!

 

[IlliferThePenniless]

But a reference to a kraken is not a reference to a sea dragon. They're not the same thing.

I think Varys, at least, tossed his Kraken reference out there to undercut the credibility of his report on Dany's dragons.

What other sea dragon reports did you find?

 

[Ghost of Harrenhal]

A corpse stood at the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, grey lips smiling sadly.

I've always figured that's a Greyjoy (grey lip smiling=Greyjoy?)... maybe Theon, are there any Greyjoys presumed dead who may be returning?

Personally I've always believed that was referring to Maester Aemon. It makes sense that he would get a mention in her prophecy and he was on a ship when he died was he not? Bright eyes because they are white and blind and grey lips smiling sadly sounds a lot like him to me. I think he was often described as smiling sadly.

 

[Rfred]

True it was refering to a sea monster not a sea dragon. but I believe it is credible nonethe less. In asos salidor saan shows interest in getting his hands on the horn from claw island saying how useful it would be to help pull down his enemies at sea. This at least shows to me that it is at least common knowledge,to the seafaring folk at least, that there are "sea monsters" or something of that sort.

 

[Dal6]

"A kite was circling far above, dark against the pink sky"
ASoS, pg 122 (first page of the first Bran chapter).

I feel like a distant kite might look like a distant dragon, what with the long tail and all. Is this that dragon again? It is seen by the wolf, like in the last book. Also the wolf only sees it when it climbs a ridge above the tree line, which could explain why other people in the forest didn't see it.

 

[Jeroam]

Hello everyone, haven't been posting for a time, but I've been reading the books again, waiting for the third season HBO, a couple quick thoughts:

A) Trees are now scarier than dragons

I think the 'dark terrible things' that lie in the deepest crypts of Winterfell is not a dragon fueled hot water heater, but the same sort of weirwood root chamber where Bran found the Three-Eyed Crow. Bran is destined for the tree, not the one he's at beyond the wall, but the godswood tree of Winterfell. "There must always be a Stark in Winterfell." I think every few generations a Stark is born a greenseer and given to the tree to watch over the family. How else do you explain ruling half a continent for 10,000 years? Also, this isn't the first such root chamber we've been shown. In Storm when Arya is taken by the Brotherhood Without Banners to meet Dondarrion and judge Sandor Clegane, she describes that cave as being full of huge white roots. Someone calls it an old deep hidden place. Thoros can't see anything in his flames just like at High Heart. Dondarrion is sitting on some naturally formed from the roots chair/seat and walks down a kind of root stairway to accuse Clegane. Almost a mirror image of what's described in Dance.

B) Sea Dragons? YEAH BABY!

In Feast the Ironborn hold the kingsmoot at their most sacred place, the Grey King's hall, under the bones of Nagga on Old Wyk. Asha's version of that legend, complete with 'living fire' references, made it seem plain to me that Nagga was a sea dragon.

 

[Brian G Turner]

A corpse stood at the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, grey lips smiling sadly

Curious - is this describing a living corpse, such as Cold Hands, or someone who is dead figuratively, such as Theon?

Btw, good thread resurrect Dal6.

 

[Needle]

"A corpse stood at the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, grey lips smiling sadly."

I believe this has to refer to some one with Greyscale. Tyrion? Connington?