hear me out.. a 4th dragon

[TK-421]

The mother of dragons could be Lyanna as mother to Jon Targaryen (aka Snow).

Jon does not have blue eyes does he? The Others are blue eyed and they cast no shadow.

The blue flower could be another reference to Lyanna and the Wall to Jon.

 

[whiskeyntattoos]

I think Jon could become a "Cold hands" type of other and a balance is needed between fire and ice

 

[the smiling weirwood]

Jon is a singular individual, therefore Lyanna cannot be the mother of dragons(plural).

 

[Lofwyr]

Pretty sure the Blue-eyed king is Stannis. Yes, the obvious choice, but i don't see much use in a misdirect on that issue. The vision came before Stannis got his glowing sword and around the time we knew he was having his shadow taken.

The cloth dragon...could this not have something to do with a mummer's puppet show? Wasn't there some mention of a Mummer's show in which a dragon was slain in AFFC? Not that i could pick out relevance between the show and events of grave portent...but a banner amidst the masses is not the only interpretation of that line.

 

[the smiling weirwood]

The mummer's show you're thinking of happened in The Hedge Knight. However, it might be a reference to that. Perhaps someone from that story, or their descendants will feature into the plot soon.

Now this is somewhat crazy, but I thought that the mummer's dragon might refer to a pretender put forth by Braavos. They have reason to want to recoup their losses, the Golden Company is out there, there are Faceless Men, and a city known for deception, intrigue, and mummer's shows.

 

[IlliferThePenniless]

The cloth dragon might also the 'mummer's dragon from Quaith's prophecy in one of the Dany spoiler chapter floating around from ADwD.

Though, doesn't Jorah(?) tell Dany about mummer shows in Westeros where teh dragon is always defeated to the crowd's delight in response to Dany's belief that the small folk are waiting to rise up in support of the Targs?

 

[TK-421]

"I don't . . ." Her voice was no more than a whisper, almost as faint as
theirs. What was happening to her? "I don't understand," she said, more
loudly. Why was it so hard to talk here? "Help me. Show me."
. . . help her . . . the whispers mocked. . . . show her . . .
Then phantoms shivered through the murk, images in indigo. Viserys screamed as
the molten gold ran down his cheeks and filled his mouth. A tall lord with
copper skin and silver-gold hair stood beneath the banner of a fiery stallion,
a burning city behind him. Rubies flew like drops of blood from the chest of a
dying prince, and he sank to his knees in the water and with his last breath
murmured a woman's name. . . . mother of dragons, daughter of death . . .
Glowing like sunset, a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue-eyed king
who cast no shadow. A cloth dragon swayed on poles amidst a cheering crowd.
From a smoking tower, a great stone beast took wing, breathing shadow fire. .
. . mother of dragons, slayer of lies . . . Her silver was trotting through
the grass, to a darkling stream beneath a sea of stars. A corpse stood at the
prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, grey lips smiling sadly. A blue
flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness.





ok
a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue-eyed king
who cast no shadow. (stannis?)

This is the description of Gendry when we first meet him in Eddard's POV in AGOT:

The master called over a tall lad about Robb's age, his arms and chest corded with muscle. "This is Lord Stark, the new Hand of the King," he told him as the boy looked at Ned through sullen blue eyes and pushed back sweat-soaked hair with his fingers. Thick hair, shaggy and unkempt and black as ink...

Could this be your blue-eyed hero who can forge a red sword (perhaps with the help of a certain Red Lady...)?

 

[IlliferThePenniless]

TK-

Wouldn't Gendry be more likely to forge a sword with the help of a certain Red Priest?

I do wonder about the role Gendry will play going forward. Martin seems to have spent a great deal of time and energy on Robert's bastards to no obvious effect thus far... I feel like oen of them must have a something important to do going forward and Gendry seems like the most likely candidate.

 

[TK-421]

Well, Thoros could aid Gendry, especially as he is with him and Stoneheart. But how will we know. From Brienne's POV? Mel is getting her own POV in ADWD, which suggests she may soon be leaving the company of Jon and the Wall (with or without Stannis).

 

[IlliferThePenniless]

But weren't the books split up along Westeros/Not Westeros line. If the Mel were going to leave The Wall and head south her POV would have been in the last book. Right?

I guess there's no way to know until we actually have ADwD in our hands, but I don't really expect there to a lot of Mel chapters, and possibly only one; the epilogue where she does something really stupid, or, at least, reflects on something really stupid that she's done (bringing down the wall?) and realizes that she's been wrong about everything.

Has anybody heard anything about how many chapters each POV is getting?

 

[TK-421]

But weren't the books split up along Westeros/Not Westeros line. If the Mel were going to leave The Wall and head south her POV would have been in the last book. Right?

No, not really. AFFC was to include only those POV's in the south: Jaime, Cersei, Brienne, Arya, Sansa, Asha, the Damphair, Victarion, Arianne, Arys Oakheart and Areoh Hotah for Doran. Sam was the only exception but there was a need because his character links with others in the south.

ADWD was to include the north: Jon, Bran, Theon, Davos, Melissandre and those across the Narrow Sea: Dany, Tyrion, Quentyn. Asha and Arya will also appear to advance the storyline.

 

[IlliferThePenniless]

But Brienne and Jaime ended up in the riverlands and were in AFfC. If Mel was headed there wouldn't she also have ended up in book 4?

 

[Ursa major]

Not if Mel doesn't make it there (for whatever reason).


By the way, I'm not entirely sure how far north Westeros stretches beyond the Wall, but I think that most of the Riverlands (perhaps even The Twins) are in the southern half of the continent.

 

[IlliferThePenniless]

But if she doesn't get there, then she doesn't help Gendry forge a sword... Unless y'all think Gendry will riding off for the smoking remains of winterfell or something.

I misspoke (mistyped?) when I asserted the split of the books was Westeros/not Westeros. But I think my point still stands, if Mel was heading away from the Wall towards Gendry in the general vicinity of the Riverrun she would have been in AFfC.

 

[Lofwyr]

I suppose there's no harm supplying other potential people to whom that passage might refer. But it seems a fool's errand to me. The part of that phrase that screams Stannis to me the most isn't the glowing sword or blue eyes (both of which Stannis already has in a time-frame after said vision). It's the 'no shadow'. That part doesn't relate well to any of the other candidates proposed thusfar...but we know for sure Mel was stealing Stannis' shadow.

Until that aspect of the phrase can be rationally applied to the other potentials...I can't fathom anyone but Stannis fitting the passage.

 

[TK-421]

ADWD will run parallel to AFFC to a point and then the entire storyline will advance beyond the ending of AFFC, hence the Arya and Asha POV's. There is also one other POV that will be featured in ADWD that has not yet been revealed, but I believe is one we have seen before. A little surprise from GRRM mayhaps but this could be a POV that will again advance the storyline such as Sansa or Brienne.

Anyways, it was pure speculation on what Mel may be up to and where she may be heading. My guess is that she will either stick to Jon as her new AA reborn or strike out on her own to find someone else. Her days with Stannis are numbered.

 

[Rfred]

The interesting passage is the "stone dragon rising from a smoking tower" is this why people think there is a dragon in the wall? Surely there are other towers more worthy of this profecy

Man I really can't spell 2day. 5hours of sleep between 12 hour work shifts is not healthy

 

[IlliferThePenniless]

From a smoking tower, a great stone beast took wing, breathing shadow fire.

That fits the idea of a Dragon in Winterfell pretty damn well but it sounds an awful lot like Dragonstone to me. Isn't that place covered in stone dragons, Mel seemed to think that they should be able to raise some of them (which again raises the question Melisandre of Asshai: crazy, evil, prophet, or stupid?)...

I think the idea of a dragon at the Wall comes from Mel, she seems convinced there's something there. It would be a logical place to store a dragon egg or something as a final defense against the Others.

There's also the suggestive bits of Maester Aemon's mutterings about cold perserving and how he should have seen that... I don't have my books with me at the moment, but does anybody have any thoughts about what Aemon was on about in his final days. One gets the impression that he figured out a number of important things in his last few weeks...

 

[Ursa major]

Given the way Stannis behaves, he could be the stone beast; and we all know about his shadow (shadow fire?).

Where this would place the smoking tower (Dragonstone, Storm's End, Castle Black), I don't know.

 

[Koopa]

TK-

Wouldn't Gendry be more likely to forge a sword with the help of a certain Red Priest?

I do wonder about the role Gendry will play going forward. Martin seems to have spent a great deal of time and energy on Robert's bastards to no obvious effect thus far... I feel like oen of them must have a something important to do going forward and Gendry seems like the most likely candidate.

Where is the need to forge a sword. Last time i checked Stoneheart just took a Valyrian sword that could be descriped as Red from Brienne. Gendry is nearby after all...