U.F.O. Sightings

Alien Proof?

Peter Graham said:
What is the actual evidence for these beliefs?

One has to be careful not to conflate myth with historical fact. Sky battles are a popular feature of many cultures - my bet is that they are an early way of explaining thunderstorms. But a creation myth is nothing like the same thing as a historical fact.

Von Danniken got excited about this stuff, but most of his arguments are palpable cobblers and rarely get beyond wild hypothesis. What do the texts actually say - word for word? This is possibly like Nostradamus - what he actually said was a load of vague, portentous drivel which other people twisted to fit what they wanted it to be about.

But with the best will in the world, what you believe is not necessarily the same as what you can prove. I don't know you, but I'll wager you don't work in top secret military research labs. In imputing otherwordly qualities to something you don't personally understand, you are doing precisely the same thing as the Vikings, who imputed divine qualities to things they didn't understand - rainbows, lightning and so on. Regards, Peter
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I admire your skepticism Mr Graham (I'm skeptical of everything), I'm not doing this thread to convince people of the existence of other worldly beings. I could text a few hundred pages of postings explaining everything I've discovered, uncovered, witnessed and relay secretive information, but as I've learned from doing that in the past.........it doesn't do any good if someone refuses to believe. Talking about the existence other worldly beings is as difficult as talking about GOD. How can a person convince another individual that GOD exists without any physical evidence, it's near impossible. If I took the three holy books, the Torah, the Bible and the Quran and tried to convince my Native American Indian ancestors that all of these books are 100% true, they would probably stand there and blink at me, then politely say: "Well, that's nice you believe in that." I know a few atheists who would say the same thing, and a couple of them would tell me that humans evolved from primitive mammals, while the rest would say: "I don't know how humans came to be, an accident I guess".


Anyone else want to mention any U.F.O. encounters?


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I saw a green flash once years ago. Came vertically down and exploded on the wet road. It had been raining, the road was shiny, creating the illusion of something other, but it was a meteor.
When talking about aliens visiting us most people, myself included, use the argument of vast distances as the barrier. Good enough but I don't believe we're done with our solar system yet. Sure there's nowt on mars-War Of The Worlds is a great story but is only that. But what of the unexplored moons of jupiter, saturn, neptune etc.
 
It is kind of interesting to note what people in days gone by thought of UFO's.

Lights in the sky have always been seen. However, it only since the invention of aircraft that they have been interpreted as space craft. In previous times they have been identified as angels, devils, witches and other such entities. Often the observers describe those entities in enormous detail, down to the glowing horns on their heads!

The obvious conclusion is that human interpretation plays a very big role in what we see. Our own expectations strongly drive our perceptions.

I have personally seen three UFO incidents. In all 3 cases, I have a simple and mundane explanation. However, people are often less skeptical than me. In fact, one of those cases involved the New Zealand navy in night time exercises, with search lights and helicopters etc. The local newspaper wrote it up as a UFO sighting!
 
I saw an absolutely spectacular meteor in the 70s, I was driving cab outside the city and a fireball crossed the entire sky in less than 5 seconds. Huge, chunks of fire falling off, it apparently crashed in S. America less than a minute later, and UFO stories circled around it, but it was just a huge burning rock.

Ghost around and maybe we see them now and again - why would they care?
I like the list, but I'd go with all of the above.
The universe is insanely old. There are things out there that... I dunno...if I had to bet my life on it suddenly- are they here or not - ...I'd ....I'd plunk for ... uhmm... Yea. I just wish they would make an official appearance, tho it may put a few SciFi writers out of business.
 
Hmmm! Interesting thought. Does it seem likely that if there were intelligent species making "contact" with us; do you think that they would be more intelligible or much less intelligible than SF story aliens?
 
Astronaut U.F.O. Sighting



Nasa astronaut takes pictures of a ship-shifting U.F.O.
(all photos are of the same black craft)​
 
Last summer, my wife and I were standing on our back stoop a little after midnight. We saw what we first thought were three very bright stars. We noticed them because they were extremely bright.

The only way I can explain what happened next is like this; moments after we saw the three bright specks of light they began to dance about rapidly in circles for about 30 seconds, then they vanished. We just looked at each other in shock. We still talk about it.
 
Incredible fast moving U.F.O.s in the sky.

Williamlk said:
Last summer, my wife and I were standing on our back stoop a little after midnight. We saw what we first thought were three very bright stars. We noticed them because they were extremely bright.

The only way I can explain what happened next is like this; moments after we saw the three bright specks of light they began to dance about rapidly in circles for about 30 seconds, then they vanished. We just looked at each other in shock. We still talk about it.
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I've gotton a lot of reports from people who see what look like bright stars zipping around in the starry night skys. A close cousin of mine told me this same story about twenty years ago, and a close friend who lived in Jordan told me he saw these fast moving lights on a starry night in the 1970's. I often wonder what these U.F.O.s are doing, sending signals to us or to other U.F.O.s, or are they just having fun flying around in the upper atmosphere.
 
Re: Alien Proof?

I could text a few hundred pages of postings explaining everything I've discovered, uncovered, witnessed and relay secretive information, but as I've learned from doing that in the past.........it doesn't do any good if someone refuses to believe
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I think that perhaps you misunderstand me. I don't refuse to believe. That would be silly. But belief can arise on one of two ways - from faith or from evidence.

Faith based belief is fine and most of us are obliged to rely on it every day. I'm not talking specifically about religious belief, by the way. A faith based belief is simply a belief which is not based on good evidence. By way of an example, I have no evidence that Mrs Graham isn't carrying on with the coal man, but I choose to believe that she isn't - that's a faith based belief. There is, of course, some evidence to support my belief, but most of it is of the self-validating and self serving variety, because I trust her and would naturally be disinclined to believe that she is up to no good.

Evidence based belief is something quite different. One believes something because it can be proved to a satisfactory standard - not necessarily 100%, I grant you, but certainly to the point that objectively minded folk can be reasonably sure of the truth.

For me, once people start making extraordinary claims (such as the existence of guardian angels, alien flying saucers, ghosts, the efficacy of new age remedies and so on), then I am unlikely to believe without evidence. I too have looked into some of this stuff, but the quality of the evidence I have seen is unremittingly feeble and unconvincing.

But I'm an open minded chap. If you can prove alien flying saucers exist, I'll believe it.

Regards,

Peter
 
Re: Alien Proof?

AE35Unit said:
Flying saucers are like god, cant prove it, cant disprove it, even tho both are incredibly unlikely!
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I agree it's almost impossible to prove a negative, but if we go into these things in an open minded way, we don't have to. It falls to those who say alien flying saucers exist to positively prove what they believe to be a fact. If they can't prove it, they can't expect others to believe it (which, in all fairness, I don't think Starbeast does), but equally if they wish to discuss their beliefs in an open forum, they have to expect others to challenge them - in a respectful way, of course.

Being sceptical (or skeptical, depending where you live)is not the same thing as having a closed mind.

Regards,

Peter
 
I love the way that someone has created a Youtube video of some Nasa pictures and set it to Orchestral choir music in an attempt to invoke some sort of...? I don't know, some kind of divine notion of the unknown. I think it is rather pretentious, dressing up the facts in as much theatre as possible, but that's just me. I have seen similar videos on youtube that profess to have proof for the existence of God, but in reality use some bizarre twist of logic to infer that he must exist.
Those pictures are far from evidence of UFOs (in the extraterrestrial sense) I agree with someone earlier that if extraterrestrials did visit the planet they would almost certainly want to do more than just fly around and hint at their existence, I know we would do much more if we ever visited other planets, but as others have said we can't disprove it, for we don't know the mind of an alien.
 
The music was downright disconcerting, and pictures looked like a poor hoax with a clever explanation. A shape shifting "craft" indeed. I would very much like to believe that there is intelligent life out there somewhere. But if they do visit, I'm quite sure that we will not have much doubt about it. (I would say no doubt, but the whole "Moon landing was a hoax" crowd reminds me that there are both people who will believe anything, and those who refuse to accept anything out of their experience.)
 
Alien Proof?

Peter Graham said:
I agree it's almost impossible to prove a negative, but if we go into these things in an open minded way, we don't have to. It falls to those who say alien flying saucers exist to positively prove what they believe to be a fact. If they can't prove it, they can't expect others to believe it (which, in all fairness, I don't think Starbeast does), but equally if they wish to discuss their beliefs in an open forum, they have to expect others to challenge them - in a respectful way, of course.

Being sceptical (or skeptical, depending where you live)is not the same thing as having a closed mind.

Regards, Peter
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Like I said, I could tell you amazing things, if I said I wiitnessed shape-shifting flying craft first-hand and met an outworld being (from space or dimension) face-to-face, how could I convince anyone (including closest family and friends).............no know would believe me. GOD would be my only witness and believer that I experianced fantastic beings from elsewhere.

In all respect Mr Parson and Mr Graham, you have to do your own personal quest to find out the answers, however I understand that people lead busy lives and no everyboby keeps an eye to the sky most of the time. Plus I completely understand skepticism is the key to finding out the real answers, and this world is filled with illusions (like the governments), for example I could make a large coin disappear in my hands (with my sleeves rolled up) while you're standing in front of me and it would seem like real magic.



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Here's something helpful, use infrared when filming UFOs day or night, you get better quailty footage​
 
Among my other science geekie things, I am a dabbler in amateur astronomy. While I achieve very little in this (not serious enough) I do spend a lot of time outside at night. I live in a location with excellent 'seeing' and no city lights to stuff it up. I am on a hill overlooking the Pacific Ocean with a vast vista to view.

I have seen satellites, the ISS, meteors, Venus, all the visible planets, assorted aircraft with lights, ships and speeding boats with night lights, etc., etc.

I have never seen a UFO. I say this in the literal meaning of the acronym. That is : I have seen lots of things others might call UFO's, but I am educated and smart enough to work out what each is, making them identified.

Nor do I believe that any other person on this planet has seen a UFO. Meaning that if I had been with them and seen what they saw, I would have identified it. Might be a UFO to them, but not to a suitably sceptical, educated, and smart observer.
 
I think it's only human nature that when someone sees something that they can't explain (in this case because they can't see it properly or access it to examine it in detail) then they will assign an explanation that they hope is true.
 
U.F.O.s: Alien space craft or swamp gas?

skeptical said:
I am a dabbler in amateur astronomy. I do spend a lot of time outside at night. I live in a location with excellent 'seeing' and no city lights to stuff it up. I am on a hill overlooking the Pacific Ocean with a vast vista to view.

I have seen satellites, the ISS, meteors, Venus, all the visible planets, assorted aircraft with lights, ships and speeding boats with night lights, etc., etc.

I have never seen a UFO. I say this in the literal meaning of the acronym. That is : I have seen lots of things others might call UFO's, but I am educated and smart enough to work out what each is, making them identified.

Nor do I believe that any other person on this planet has seen a UFO. Meaning that if I had been with them and seen what they saw, I would have identified it. Might be a UFO to them, but not to a suitably sceptical, educated, and smart observer.
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I know lots of people who've never seen anything strange in the sky, and to see something that takes your breath away is a rare thing, however, there are places in the world where you have a better chance of seeing something amazing (perhaps unearthly). The outworlders seem to have their own agenda, and like I said, it's good to be skeptical.

I've been trained in the military to spot enemy aircraft, when I was in Germany, the sky was so clear you could see the satelites going by regularly, back home I loved watching meteors and comets. When I was a teenager I saw the movie CLOSE ENCOUNTERS of the THIRD KIND in 1977, I thought it was cool, and that was it (just another alien space movie). I would read in the newspaper about people seeing UFOs flying over several states, I thought it was interesting, shrug and forget about them.

But on that night in the 1980's, when I looked up and saw.....the black silent saucer....my interest soared.



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People really got spooked when hundreds of people in Washington D.C. saw a group of UFOs fly over the capital building in the 1950's. But even after the government immediately ordered jets up threre to confront the invaders who chose to travel through a "No-Fly Zone". The big-shots in the government said it was only swamp gas and downed played the whole thing. I've talked to people who remembered that day, and they thought it was the END of the WORLD!​
 
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