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They appeared on ST: Enterprise as well.

As for Godwin's Law, which is:
As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.
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Examples of its validity (sometimes preceded by someone mentioning the law) is quite common, particularly on political topics. (I'm mainly thinking of the Grauniad's CiF - Comment is Free - threads; I don't really go to the even more strident places.) Thinking about it: with some topics, mentions of Nazi this or Hitler that arrive quite early in a thread.
 
Oooh, I always knew there was something evil about that Julius Berger character. Now it all makes sense!
 
I can just see the script:

Julius Berger leads his most loyal supporters into Stella Isen's office.


................JULIUS
........Seize her!​
 
I guess I'm the only one watching now that it is on at 10.25pm on a Sunday. So for anyone else, last night, during a secret unauthorised op to assassinate, Rudi, the AC leader, Josie Hunter was replaced by an exact copy, murdered her colleague and attempted the murder the other colleague and her other self.

Now we are finally getting some clues but I still can't see where they are going with this doppelgänger stuff, not if it is being tied to the dead children and the fossilised Hominidae colony. Tate was happy to dismiss her double as an illusion, much like his children, but ghosts don't make radio calls, and illusions don't murder people. I would expect that the widowed Mrs Docherty might want some justice to be seen to be done.

At first, I was thinking Body Snatchers but now I wonder if it will all come down to some parallel Earth such as in Gerry Anderson's Journey to the Far Side of the Sun. That film was itself considered clichéd and uninspired, so I'm not certain of being rewarded in the end for still watching. I don't see some imaginary Lost scenario though, and I'm certain that the ACs are red herrings and have little to do with any of this.
 
I watched it. I thought Tate's 'illusion' view was a nudge nudge, wink wink 'Let's not tell anybody' idea rather than actually believing it was an illusion.
 
I think so too, and it was also said to Cass (with whom he has some history we don't know about yet, but looks like being revealed next week) however, as I said, a man was murdered and people will be looking for Josie Hunter to be tried for it. Tate cannot pretend it just didn't happen. And Cass is the person who must deal with it.
 
All we were lacking in last night's episode was someone called Basil saying, "Don't mention the alien. I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it all right."


Was the real lieutenant's arm cut? I only mention it because she had a leg injury whereas the doppelgänger didn't. In fact no-one seemed to want to do much checking of what happened, which is odd given their mind-reading machine. (They could have at least mentioned that the doppelgänger had refused to undergo the procedure.

And high-security cells that open when the power goes off...?

* shakes head *
 
Hehe, that was fun.

My particular favourite was when Rudi ordered them to be precise and take out Jack.

The 'assassins' then proceeded to alert the entire colony to their presence, murder someone else, and then run around quite a bit behind Jack's back before accidentally shooting the wrong XP (who I think was white).
 
I think their running into full view of the XPs and Cass was some sort of tribute to Jack's comedy-cowboy routine of last week.








(By the way, they must have edited out the bit where Rudi was giving his assault team the rules of engagement: "On no occasion shoot at someone who is playing a game of cards. In other words, no pot shots...." :eek::))
 
I reckon Cass is an AC. This series has had a few interesting plot lines it could have followed. The ACs, the fossils of a past civilisation, the apparations, political and religious upheavel. Plenty to build a story upon. Yet they have managed to drop the ball on all counts. Too many strands with no substance going into any of them. I am dissapointed, but will watch the series to the end.
 
Svalbard, I feel similarly. The ending to episode 5 (revealing the existence of the ship Berger was in contact with) was good, but then they followed it up with a wholly unrelated and entirely inexplicable storyline.
 
Dave said:
I guess I'm the only one watching now that it is on at 10.25pm on a Sunday..
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I'm still watching, though on V+ now.

It still suffered from the familiar problems of laughable writing and acting at times. But that episode managed to hold my attention better than what had gone before.
 
I was going to dismiss it as a soap opera in a mildly exotic setting, but the SFnal ideas are beginning to develop now, so it's looking more interesting.

Talk about a slow burn, though...

Must give credit to the background music, it's really quite powerful and certainly emphasises the drama - although the staccato sections when the action hots up are remarkably similar to the music in Spooks.
 
Just a message to anyone who has been watching the latest episode:

Step. Away. From. Any. Sharp. Object.



Dismal. Even the "Next Episode" trailer looked like an advert for How Dry Is Your Paint?
 
There were so many holes in this episode it would make you wonder who was writing the script. Great possibilities again, but so dissapointing in the end. It really is a pity because Liam Cunningham is such a good actor.
 
There were a lot of things odd again: The domestic situation, the function of the basement trap.

Cass is not an AC, but they didn't tell us what he was, just something so terrible that we wouldn't like him. I found that unsatisfying.

Well, at least the 'elephant in the room' is now recognised. I'm still seeing questions left unanswered after next week.
 
Unless my ears were deceiving me, they slipped in a mention of the oncoming ship switching from using anti-matter to fusion. Having seen 7 hours of this rubbish, I expect that's their way of explaining how humans got to Carpathia, confusing power source with transport technology. Or was it just a clumsy way of saying that the main deceleration phase had ended?

If we are supposed to think that interstellar flight is made possible by the deployment of great power, and thus great acceleration and deceleration, why the rotating sections on the ship? (I'm assuming they're there to simulate gravity, not as this years must-have style feature.) Constant change of velocity would provide all too much gravity, except when the ship got to the midpoint of the journey and entered orbit. Of course it could be being subject to simulated gravity in two, orthogonal directions is what has caused to humans on Carpathia to lose any trace of common sense and grounding in reality. The writers of this series have no such excuse.


But at least it's the final episode next Sunday, with the excitement** of seeing Fleur, silhouetted by a window, literally not knowing which way to turn. (Apparently she also has a dark past. *yawn*)




** - Which has already brought me out in a sweat.
 
Well, I've seen all of it now, so I can't be accused by Ben Richards of being "the same old chorus ...like the critics on The Muppets." Sorry Ben, it did not "build to a very moving finale", the last few episodes were not "great", and it was, in fact, utter pants!

I knew that nothing would be explained. Where did the hominid skeletons and fossil jaw come from? How does sending out DNA code by ultrasound cause people to be cloned or to develop a virus?

I didn't see Fleur being an AC though.

But the worst part was Tate turning into Captain Kirk and trying to defeat them with love.

I'm with Spock: "Humans do claim a great deal for that particular emotion (love)."
-- Spock, "The Lights of Zetar", stardate 5725.6

At least there won't be a sequel!
 
On the skeletal remains: there was a previous species that evolved on the planet and was killed by the, er, Noisy Ones [my brilliant name for the ultrasound creatures].

The Fleur AC twist was quite good, and the political shenanigans were ok (it lacked some impact, though, as most of the council leaders hadn't been seen until then).

The ultrasound virus was an unusual approach. Also, shouldn't it be RNA if it's a virus?

I rather like the premise, but clunky dialogue and a lack of action meant it never really lived up to its potential. Also, killing off the best character in the first episode was not wise.
 
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