Crop Circles

[J Riff]

Fwiw, the word went around, and family people started manufacturing UFO photos, very deliberately, in the fifties.
However, you can find, in the mix, a shot or two of the saucer which was built around that time, and you can find shots of the actual mysterious silver saucer that is not fake at all, merely unexplained.
Thinking 'hoaxers' are goofing around is perhaps a bit trite. This is an organized mob of people at work, covering various huge crimes, causing suicides and other fun stuff, and rolling merrily along in the guise of civilized society.
The most corrupt, s'far as I can see, are the ones in the prime positions. Cops, lawyers, judges, connected rich family types. So far, no alien, real or imaginary, has such questionable morales and tactics.
If you haven't worked for the army, navy, air force. in any of these 'special' areas, well, don't. They are quite literally a piece of **** who use and discard human 'material' so that invisible monkeys at the top can have their fun and keep all the good stuff for their gang. Criminal gang, Govt gang - a matter of degree.
In other words... IF you were involved in an 'alien' event... and made it through it somehow... they will grab the glory and profit and bury you, using, you-guessed it -armed 'trained' monkeys, sorry, thugs, no I meant police. They do this to their own people.
Pretty sure that, if aliens ever legitametely arrive, this sort of organization will become extinct pronto. The real problem is, on a personal level, if you have anything whatsoever of value, you are working for one human gang or another, like it or not.
Not to rant on here, but this issue is no joke. Someone said that discovering the truth about UFOs is close to being the meaning of life. Yet, human beings will monkey around with it as if their little gang of leechers overrides the whole subject.
Maybe the aliens aren't so much superior, as humans are inferior. From my vantage point, it's so bad that only having aliens arrive and light up the sky for all to see, has the slightest chance of causing any real change.

 

[Starbeast]

Starbeast.

When you look at something weird like UFO claims, you should start with the assumption that there are hordes of hoaxers out there.

What else is new?

It's not easy to find people who'll talk openly about real alien related stuff, most are afraid too, some just can't grasp the idea even if they saw something on a clear day. Also there are others who have bad memories who can't even remember what they ate for breakfast a week ago, much less describe something from an hour ago.

I only post items that I find and leave it up to people to think about a subject or decide for themselves if they should do their own investigating or just forget the whole thing. If I was the only one explaining facts or speaking about strange craft in the sky seen on a clear day.....who would believe it? I could descibe in detail about the grand slam homerun I made in high school that helped my baseball team win, and people would say: "Wow, that's great! That must have been an exciting day in your life." But if I said: "The craft floated above the tree tops on a clear day, it stopped in the air, folded it's wings, flashed a blinking light at me, then it moved forward, changed color from black to red to white then back to black and was seen also by a personal jet that flew passed it." People would think I'd lost my mind.

Anyway, crop circles are in the same catagory as Big Foot, the Loch Ness Monster and aliens from other dimensions, they are just fictional interests.

 

[RJM Corbet]

On human error ... In this, I am not wilfully insulting Aldrin. This process screws up everyone, and probably me also.

No it's not insulting, it's only right to question such things.

If an astronaut tells me there's wood-beetle in my roof, I may think: what does he know? But if a roofing specialist tells me the same thing?

 

[skeptical]

I remember a similar discussion, with the claim being made that aircraft pilots were especially astute and their UFO claims should be taken seriously. I was not winning the argument, but then a real pilot spoke up and told us all that pilots are just as liable to error as other ordinary humans.

It really does not matter if a claim is made by Buzz Aldrin, President Obama, or Nelson Mandela. They are all, like you and I, merely human and fallible. Their claims require strong and credible supporting evidence, or else they should not be taken seriously.

 

[Starbeast]

I remember a similar discussion, with the claim being made that aircraft pilots were especially astute and their UFO claims should be taken seriously. I was not winning the argument, but then a real pilot spoke up and told us all that pilots are just as liable to error as other ordinary humans.

So you're going to believe ONE man, instead of many pilots and astronauts?

 

[RJM Corbet]

Yes, if a pilot doesn't have a pretty good idea about what else is up around there with him, he's probably in the wrong career? If he wants to live? I mean test pilots, high altitude pilots, navy pilots, airline pilots (at least the ones flying my plane, I hope) -- not some hungover hack pilot doing low level coast patrol in a Cessna.

Then there are the air-traffic controllers, and I'm not exaggerating at all when I say that air-traffic controllers are very highly trained observers of the skies -- any mistakes they make can cost thousands of lives

It's quite a long list of very credible sightings by people trained to know exactly what's in the sky.

Never mind Obama and Mandela ...

 

[skeptical]

So you're going to believe ONE man, instead of many pilots and astronauts?

Or do I believe the dozens of people who claim to have seen the Loch Ness Monster, or the dozens who claim to have seen Bigfoot, or the hundreds who claim to have seen sea serpents, or the thousands who claim to be able to read minds.

Short answer : I do not believe any of them. Claims are very suspect. I look for real evidence.

 

[Starbeast]

I do not believe any of them. Claims are very suspect. I look for real evidence.

I know.

My ufology studies are just about finished, after decades of work, I'm nearly satisfied. I just need a bit more, but I'm not sure how long that will take.

 

[J Riff]

Maddening.
Anyway, what was that circular...thing, they had in the silo for two years? It was alive, no two ways, and it stayed alive for two years. It fell from the sky, as did others of it's kind, and there was talk at the time of magnetic ley lines or some such, screwing up the landing approach of these things.
We all saw it, touched it, lots of people saw it. What was it?
This is a minor, insignifigant event in the scheme of things, but an undeniable one.
That one event would be enough to convince me. You can read about it, but since it was whisked away and hidden, no official 'credible' people were allowed to 'interfere.' Of course it gets studied and any knowledge is absorbed by whoever has their hands on it. 'Credible' people.
The more 'credible' someone is, the further into the system they are, and the system can lie about anything and make it stick, and will.
'Coop' didn't like having to lie to the public. This was back when they still hired real, honest people, who would have trouble lying even when the Govt. told them to.
After his famous orbit he walks on stage and makes a remark to the effect that 'I always tell it like I see it, and today I can(t) do that. So he wasn't even in that ship when it orbited. Take it from there and tell me what you think was actually going on.

 

[JunkMonkey]

Another thing - what does a tractor have to do with it? Are they supposedly using a tractor to pull planks around, flattening the area with them, to a prearranged pattern? Seems fairly complicated. So, rich, bored and smart... kids... are... no, aliens makes more sense.

I think it was me who originally mentioned the tractor. I said I would be more convinced of the spooky origins of crop circles if there wasn't, in every photo of a crop circle I have seen, tractor tracks that cross the circle at some point. It might have been my bad phrasing but what I meant to convey was the fact that these tractor tracks were there before the crop circle 'mysteriously' appeared. The tractors aren't driven by the crop circle's creators, they are there as part of the normal, day to day farming operation. They also happen to provide an easy access to the centre of the field for anyone on foot without leaving obvious traces. (A point another posted picked up and linked to the scarcity of snow circles where the tracks of the artists approaching their 'canvas' would be much more obvious - there's a point; let's stop calling them 'hoaxers', they're artists. If Banksy can be an artist, so can these guys.)

 

[JunkMonkey]

Maddening.
Anyway, what was that circular...thing, they had in the silo for two years? It was alive, no two ways, and it stayed alive for two years. It fell from the sky, as did others of it's kind, and there was talk at the time of magnetic ley lines or some such, screwing up the landing approach of these things.

What are you talking about?

 

[RJM Corbet]

... let's stop calling them 'hoaxers', they're artists. If Banksy can be an artist, so can these guys.)

Absolutely!

 

[Starbeast]

I do not believe the dozens of people who claim to have seen Bigfoot.

I watched a new show on Animal Planet called "Finding Bigfoot", and that is probably one of the funniest things I have ever seen. People claiming encounters, others showing lame evidence and groups of people wondering around at night in the woods saying stuff like:

"Did you hear something?"
"I thought I saw something."
"That sounds like a bigfoot."

I was laughing my potatoes off. I found this show funnier than all those new sitcoms combined (they're garbage anyways). The show "Finding Bigfoot" reminded me of those outrageous claims that people were making in the 1950's about alien enounters, great stuff.

 

[JunkMonkey]

"Did you hear something?"
"I thought I saw something."
"That sounds like a bigfoot."

LOL. Reminded me of that line from Ghostbusters "Listen! - can you smell something?"
and this from a 1956 Goon Show. The characters are trying to blowopen a safe quietly using 'Silent TNT':

Ned: Bluebottle, how do I know when the silent TNT has exploded?

Bluebottle: Oh, I never thought of that. I suppose that, when you hear nothing, that's it.

 

[Starbeast]

LOL. Reminded me of that line from Ghostbusters "Listen! - can you smell something?"
and this from a 1956 Goon Show. The characters are trying to blowopen a safe quietly using 'Silent TNT':

Check your local tv listings or a website for "Finding Bigfoot", it's worth it just to watch even one episode of it.

 

[RJM Corbet]

Check your local tv listings or a website for "Finding Bigfoot", it's worth it just to watch even one episode of it.

Here they are. Remember everybody, these are being posted here as a joke...

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfKjzhIiOdI&feature=player_detailpage

2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz3EdZWWNo8&feature=player_detailpage

3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTd6qyvFdGk&feature=player_detailpage

4) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWG9uAGGg_g&feature=player_detailpage

 

[Starbeast]

Big Feets

Here they are. Remember everybody, these are being posted here as a joke...

Excellent, you found that comedy show I like.

 

[JunkMonkey]

I managed to hold on till someone said "This is a very squatchy area...." and I lost it. Thanks, this is so funny.

 

[RJM Corbet]

Re: Big Feets

Excellent, you found that comedy show I like.

Hmmm ... have just finished watching the intrepid sasquatch hunters. I'm glad nothing happened to the rabbit! But they seemed to encounter something?
No proof what it was, of course, but there seemed to be something out there (part four)?

You know, on the subject of hairy apes -- when I lived near Cape Point, in Cape Town, I used to get baboons in my house, often -- everybody did. If you leave a door open one of them will walk right past you, if you're lying on the bed with your back turned, and you'll look up and he's in the kitchen. They are so silent. They never attack or hurt anyone, though.

And they never come out at night because their greatest predator is the leopard, so they still retain that instinct, although there aren't too many leopards around Cape Point anymore these days.

When you live there, you have to keep all your food locked up, because that's all they're interested in. They never hurt anyone, but if you tried to take your food back from one, he would fight you, and they're very strong -- that's the rule there: don't try and take it back from him. The most effective way to shoo them off is with water from a garden hose.

But people are very fond of them, it's like this ongoing battle of wits with the baboons. I have lots of baboon stories.

They open doors and cupboards. They go through the kitchen and help themselves to bread, rice, lentils -- and then just walk out the door. You have to keep the door locked, windows open just a crack, food locked away out of sight etc.

The last one that tried me walked off disgustedly with some teabags and raw onions, and dropped them in the garden before climbing the wall and loping off into the bush. After a while, if you do that, they leave you alone and try somebody new.

But the real point of this is that once I had bacon cooked in a pan (cold) and the baboon wasn't much interested, though it took the bread ...

 

[J Riff]

Not artists, not real artists, No artist would not claim such work.
No. If human, they are: Rich. Bored. Have a friend who is some kind of genius at design. Are extremely sneaky and organized.
Or, the aliens are mute. They try, but people are too conditioned, or dim, to bother figuring it out. What...? ... they should develop speech and learn a new language - just to communicate with idiots who can't read the simplest markings on the ground?