Nerds_feather
Purveyor of Nerdliness
OK, fine, could you give me an example a type of "grimdark" you DO approve of?
Here's a small sampling: despite the "rapeyness," which I think gets excessive, I do otherwise generally like George R. R. Martin's first three Song of Ice and Fire books. I enjoyed Joe Abercrombie's Best Served Cold. Glen Cook's The Black Company, which started it all, is still one of the best examples of the style that I can think of--the darkness is almost silly at times, but scratch the surface and there's some very serious commentary on the Vietnam War. Most of KJ Parker's fiction, and arguably Sapkowski's Witcher books, which look like Tolkein-meets-Moorcock questing but are really quite dark and grim (and political) books.
I'm just saying that rape DOES happen in wartime. It always has, and, as any woman born in Russia or Eastern Europe before 1940, or most areas of Central Africa to the present day, will attest, probably always will. Americans, French and Brits are very exceptional in the fact that none of them really accepts it as a standard combative practice. Practically every other army I know of has always used it as a major weapon of mass terror
If your objection is that a depiction of rape might "trigger" someone to do so in reality then I have to wonder why you're a writer or believe that people ought to read, or even talk, or listen, or do anything but sit alone in a concrete bunker for that matter. Besides, wouldn't rape depicted in an "artistic" manner be even worse in that case?
You're right...it DOES happen, though in some historical cases it may have happened much less than widely assumed (there are almost no depictions of rape in Viking sagas, for example, and of the ones that are depicted, nearly all are male-on-male rape).
Nevertheless, in that essay (I think) I said that I don't have a problem with depiction of rape, per se, but rather when it's employed as a sort of default way to signal "edginess." My issue here isn't with any particular book, but rather the cumulative effect of so many books that take this approach. And I feel the same way about torture. (AND these issues are exacerbated when urge-to-titilate-with-edginess intersects with graphicness of the depiction. Then it becomes "rapeporn" or "tortureporn.")
Intelligent depictions of rape/attempts to grapple with rape as a weapon or outgrowth of warfare could be the opposite of that, in theory. I guess, for me, as with all gritty/grimdark stuff, what matters is the degree to which the author uses these devices to say something interesting/do something meaningful. Obviously "interesting" and "meaningful" are up for debate, but that's why we have forums like this one
As far as grimdark and diversity I will let the author speak
Can't really comment on that. Though generally speaking, traditional fantasy (i.e. Tolkein/neo-Tolkein) strikes me as worse on racial issues than gritty fantasy.
I'm sort of baffled by Zombies myself. The only reason I used it as an example is the fact that it is about the darkest fantasy scenario I can think of and also among the most popular in modern SFF. Rape is part of darkness and darkness, right now, sells.
I find zombies incredibly annoying at this point. Vampires too. Werewolves, borderline.