HBO TV series sneaking in possible hints for the book series? !!! SPOILER ALERT!!!

[svalbard]

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So who really scripted the Robb-Talisa-Tywin triangle for the show?

I did. GRRM called and I could not refuse...

 

[joshrackley]

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There's not much left to see. Her dresses don't leave much to the imagination... not that she has much.

Especially after an episode in Season 2 when she simply removes her dress trying to get Renly to consummate the marriage . When that doesn't work she suggests that he pretend she is Loras or even to bring him in on the event.

I don't know yet how it will affect everything, but the plot to marry Sansa to Loras and then Tywin's plan to marry Cersei off to Loras seems odd to me. In the books it's supposed to be to his brother Willas since Loras is a member of the Kingsguard and nearly young enough to be Cersei's own son.

 

[Yavannie]

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In the show Loras is not (yet) a member of the Kingsguard. I suspect Cersei will plant the idea of making him a member to Joffrey very, very soon, perhaps through Margaery. I doubt that Cersei will end up marrying in the TV show.

 

[Lady of Winterfell]

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I don't know yet how it will affect everything, but the plot to marry Sansa to Loras and then Tywin's plan to marry Cersei off to Loras seems odd to me. In the books it's supposed to be to his brother Willas since Loras is a member of the Kingsguard and nearly young enough to be Cersei's own son.

I agree, I also think it seems a bit odd. I assume it's because they didn't want to add yet another character or name for the audience to learn.

 

[Gry Wnd]

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Keebs - you were doing what at the computer with your brother-in-law in the room? Anyway..

SPOILERS - non-book readers look away..

Yeah the near absence of Great Jon has really crushed my hope that he will ever get to Jon with word of Robb's heir...

However they seem to not care who plays the Mountain or if anyone who hasn't read the books even knows who he is, and he BETTER have a big part in next season..

I wonder how the Jamie Tyrion conversation will go without Kettlebecks.. "she's been fu..ing..." who? - I love how that quote rings in Jamie's head at end of AFFC

Youtube video was awesome - clearly all the Jayne W conspiracy theorists can put a feather in their caps..

 

[Boaz]

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To avoid confusing viewers, HBO has already changed Robert Arryn to Robin since there was already a King Robert and a Robb Stark... and they changed Asha to Yara because there was already an Osha. Loras and Willas....

 

[Keebs411]

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Gry Wnd, i was on my computer in my dinning room area taking care of some financial things to make sure nothing was off with my bank accounts while my brother in law was watching the show. He lives with me and my husband and we have an apartment so our dinning room and living room are kinda merged into 1 large area, thus why i could see and sill hear the show while i was working on my stuff and while he watched the show.

BTW that video clip was amazing IMP!!! So well done on so many levels. good find sir! i especially enjoyed the random text "swoosh" as bolton tosses his cape over his shoulder lol

I figured they had just made some one similar to jeyne for rob thinking they will just give him some one on the show to make him break his vows in general and his contract with the freys to marry one of them. frey would switch sides because hes pissed and tywin throws him a deal of TRW, aka cutting corners so tywin wouldnt have to have this entire behind the sense plot the entire time, like in the book to save time on the show. the fact they basically still kept it and just gave it the twist of a name change and dressed it up a bit further with the fake identity is excellent!

I also realize that just because a character is not shown yet does not mean they cant be added in later (the reed children are a perfect example, thank god they included them! i must admit i was worried and bumming they may be replaced completely by osha). So yes maybe Patchface will come later on, maybe they just wont include him @ all it could easily go either way. it just caught my attention because i was one of a group that believes he may be more then he appears, not just a fool, and play a bigger role. But now maybe not, i know the fact hes not in the show does not mean his role is automatically meaningless in the books but again it made me think ...hmmmmmm maybe they are slipping in little hints here and there( if @ all) just for fun to see if we as readers pick up on them?

And i agree as others are pointing out, it does seem in some ways they seem to be meshing some characters together in a way which makes sense in alot of different ways. such as loras and willis. willis really isnt important enough to create a new character for the show. He is currently in charge of High Garden while the rest of his family are in kings landing, he was crippled by the Viper, and his family has held a grudge ever since because of it. thats about it, he could easily be replaced by loras in the show for the temp plot to marry sansa off to a tyrell before the lannisters block that move.

I could see a shireen/ patchface merge working i guess , (again i have to compliment how much i like the way they made shireen on the show, especially with the grey scale i think it was done very well)

Do we know for sure that gendry and edric were basically merged into one? i thought if they do add edric @ all it may be delayed and he may show up after davos is released from his prison cell?

i guess at this point in time as some one who read all the books and has been watching the show, i more so just noticed the changes made and assumed it was for the usual reasons most book to tv/ movie adaption changes get made. Now with Patchface being MIA and after that clip Imp posted i will deffinatly be playing closer attention to the show for any surprises or further clues to any twists

 

[Yavannie]

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Melisandre left Dragonstone a couple of episodes ago, and in one of the trailers for the series she can be seen talking to Gendry... Can't think that means anything other than Edric and Gendry being mashed together to be honest. It's the royal blood she wants, and he's the only ******* that we know of is alive (in the series universe). I wonder how it will play out though - will she bring him all the way from the Riverlands to Dragonstone only for Davos to set him free again? Poor Gendry, being dragged around.

 

[Jeroam]

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If Melisandre finds and uses Gendry to make another shadow demon, wouldn't that be the one who pushes Balon off the bridge?

 

[Nerds_feather]

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That's a fun video. Of course Thoros of Myr doesn't seem to have a "foreign" accent either...

 

[Boaz]

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Jeroam, due to the distance involved and the precise timing of the return of Euron, I assumed that Balon was killed by a faceless man. Unless Euron also has his own red priestess.

 

[Yavannie]

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Yeah, I never believed for a second when reading the books that Melisandre's burning of leeches actually had anything to do with the deaths of Joffrey, Robb or Balon. However, it all worked in her favor of course, but I've always thought of her as someone who tries to shape her own fate and thinks too highly of her own abilities. She has powers, yes, but lucky coincidences has given her hubris. If Stannis for some reason turns out to be Azor Ahai I will put my copies of the books in a shredder. In fact, I hope he dies horribly somehow, preferably by someone knocking his jaw off so that he can't grind his teeth as a ghost.

 

[joshrackley]

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Yeah, I never believed for a second when reading the books that Melisandre's burning of leeches actually had anything to do with the deaths of Joffrey, Robb or Balon. However, it all worked in her favor of course, but I've always thought of her as someone who tries to shape her own fate and thinks too highly of her own abilities. She has powers, yes, but lucky coincidences has given her hubris.

I'm right there with you -- last night's episode actually seems to really flesh out that feeling with the exchange between her and Thoros. Her statement about him not having powers and his response that he doesn't have any, he's simply a vessel for R'hollor almost had the feel of him trying to humble her a bit.

And also, after last night's episode it's official that they have merged the Gendry and Edric Storm characters

 

[Yavannie]

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I loved the exchange between Melisandre and Thoros. I think they've done such a good job with the Valyrian, and their little chat gave me a new perspective on their beliefs. I don't really care that it wasn't "by the book" - as a TV series scene, it was great. I'm thinking that the sending Gendry away will also serve as Arya's reason for escaping the BWB sometime soon.

Also LOVED the scene with Littlefinger and Varys. Such a great boiling down of their different ways of trying to harness power.

I'm baffled as to where they're going with the Cersei/Loras thing. And I would never have guessed that Tywin was going to threaten Olenna with him joining the Kingsguard - a bit annoying that he's the only son in the family in the series universe, it changes quite a lot. I suppose there's still an outside chance that Cersei might get Joffrey to name Loras to escape the marriage herself.

 

[ArstenWhitebeard]

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It certainly seems that way. Edric never seemed all that important anyway, unless he makes a comeback in the books.

In the show, I especially liked when Thoros said "You worship him your way, Ill worship him my way" It helped solidify the idea that is present in the books that Mel is not necessarily a perfect representation of the Priests of the Red God. There have been discussions about whether or not we should be trusting the Red Priests and if they are good guys or bad guys (or, as with every character, Darker or lighter shades of grey). And these discussions usually revolve around Mel's actions, but there are other red priests out there who might not have such a penchant for burning people alive.

 

[The Imp]

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It certainly seems that way. Edric never seemed all that important anyway, unless he makes a comeback in the books.

In the show, I especially liked when Thoros said "You worship him your way, Ill worship him my way" It helped solidify the idea that is present in the books that Mel is not necessarily a perfect representation of the Priests of the Red God. There have been discussions about whether or not we should be trusting the Red Priests and if they are good guys or bad guys (or, as with every character, Darker or lighter shades of grey). And these discussions usually revolve around Mel's actions, but there are other red priests out there who might not have such a penchant for burning people alive.

After reading Mel's POV chapters in aDWD, it seemed clear to me that if nothing else, she really beleives that she is serving her God. Th problem for me is ascertaining whther or not R'hlor is good or not, or as you said, how dark a shade of grey. That's not even getting into the whole Azor Ahai thing, and whther or not we can be certain that it was a good thing that the Others were defeated way back when.

 

[ArstenWhitebeard]

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After reading Mel's POV chapters in aDWD, it seemed clear to me that if nothing else, she really beleives that she is serving her God. Th problem for me is ascertaining whther or not R'hlor is good or not, or as you said, how dark a shade of grey. That's not even getting into the whole Azor Ahai thing, and whther or not we can be certain that it was a good thing that the Others were defeated way back when.

I agree with you Imp, she really believes she is serving R'hlor. what we cannot say for certain is whether or not she is doing a good job. R'hlor might be a good god and Mel still might be a bad guy, or vice versa. there are thousands of examples of people who thought they were doing gods work, but really they were just crazy.

 

[The Imp]

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I agree with you Imp, she really believes she is serving R'hlor. what we cannot say for certain is whether or not she is doing a good job. R'hlor might be a good god and Mel still might be a bad guy, or vice versa. there are thousands of examples of people who thought they were doing gods work, but really they were just crazy.

I think that Mel is a "good guy" serving a bad God.

 

[joshrackley]

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I know this is off topic, but Imp's post made me think of something. Is there anything (other than characters' personal beliefs) to suggest that gods in this universe are either good or bad? Or is it possible that they are more akin to the Greek/Roman gods who exhibited the more "human characteristic" of moral variability just with great power?

 

[ArstenWhitebeard]

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I think that Mel is a "good guy" serving a bad God.

That is the way i am leaning too, with a loose definition of "Good Guy".