HBO TV series sneaking in possible hints for the book series? !!! SPOILER ALERT!!!

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So, it was GRRM himself who wrote the last episode. Do we want to believe that this makes a difference or not as to what was in it? Judging from the uncomfortable amount of sex scenes, I'm leaning towards thinking he's quite the dirty old man...

I wonder if he purposefully straightened out some minor question marks, like the question of whether Theon has his parts intact or not, or even the Margaery part. And if so, what does the scene with Talisa tell us? Maybe he just enjoys toying with us, knowing the crackpottery which abounds on forums.
 
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Talisa I think is a Lannister honeypot.. that video was really very compelling. The handwriting on the note from the bedroom was very different than the handwriting on the note Arya sees, but that could just be a continuity issue.
Couple of things about her being preggers, since we sway from the book...
1. Dont think she is really necessary after the rw, so I am thinking she and Blackfish dont attend, but that he kills her when he finds out what happens and figures out she tipped off the lions. So, I am thinking something like this might be a great way to go with the script:

Or a translation, as she was writing in high valyrian and Tywin probably doesn't speak that. (though he might). I think the pregnancy is good grounds for her to miss TRW, and hopefully Blackfish will as well. Is it possible Jayne westerling was/is also pregnant? I can't really remember but I know we haven't seen much of her since TRW and there are no POVs around her. Please let me know if I am way off base.
 
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I just rechecked to make sure I hadn't remembered incorrectly--Lady Sybell (mom) was giving Jeyne a fake "fertility potion" that was actually to keep her from getting pregnant, per Tywin's instructions. After TRW Jeyne was taken away under heavy guard for protection, would remain unwed for 2 years to assure everyone there were no lurking Starks in her womb and after that would be wed to some lordling arranged again by Tywin. The guards apparently have instruction to kill Jeyne should anyone try to rescue/kidnap her.
 
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I know there's a whole separate board for the HBO series on these forums, but seeing as that's strictly no spoilers I have to rant here for a bit.

Man, that was an awesome episode! I was in absolute stitches over some of the scenes. Queen of Thorns and Tywin awesome as always, and Cersei was priceless throughout. Even thought I knew what was and wasn't going to happen, I got nervous about Tyrion being drunk and disorderly around Joffrey. They're really setting the scene for the PW.

The scene between Tyrion and Sansa in his chambers was heartbreaking and as close to what I had imagined as possible. Tyrion's face when she said "What if I don't ever want you to" spoke such volumes.

Although Daario looked nothing like I wanted him to (I always imagined him as Dastan from the Prince of Persia games only with blue hair - kind of like this: http://www.dan-dare.org/FreeFun/Images/PrinceOfPersiaWallpaper2800.jpg) and more like a slim version of Arnold Schwarznegger as Conan, I am just waiting for some kind of showdown between him and Jorah.

At long last - Sam the Slayer! And although his lines felt a bit laboured, I always enjoy seeing the Hound. That scene suffered from some poor scriptwriting. A lot of "people need to understand what's going on, so let's have this one person explain it all". Great that they got the line in with the Mountain killing a man for snoring though. Last but not least, please don't use a horse's bloody neck for a seat, even if it's just a child. Poor Stranger...
 
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I agree about the scene between Tyrion and Sansa; but Tyrion, as per usual, makes the best of it (Dinklage has really done a lot with that character, I was furious about that April Fool's joke :D). I don't remember the line being in the book, but his use of "and now my watch begins" was priceless.
 
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Robb,Balon,Joffrey. The three names Stannis spoke when dropping the leaches in the fire.

Are they saying that Stannis and Mel were involved in Balons death?

And did we ever find out exactly who poisoned Joffrey? I seem to recall only theories...the Tyrells or even Tywin(my favorite).

Are they implying that Balon was magically pushed and Joffrey was magically poisoned? I hope it's just coincidence.
 
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Robb,Balon,Joffrey. The three names Stannis spoke when dropping the leaches in the fire.

Are they saying that Stannis and Mel were involved in Balons death?

And did we ever find out exactly who poisoned Joffrey? I seem to recall only theories...the Tyrells or even Tywin(my favorite).

Are they implying that Balon was magically pushed and Joffrey was magically poisoned? I hope it's just coincidence.

The leeches is how it happened in the book. I personally don't believe that they made any difference either way. I was quite worried that Melisandre was going to sex another demon out of Gendry, thereby spoiling that ambiguity. I reckon Davos will be able to keep Gendry alive like he did Edric Storm.

As far as Joffrey is concerned, it was Littlefinger and Olenna who did it. Littlefinger gave Sansa the poisoned hairnet to wear through Dontos and Olenna takes a stone from it at the wedding. Littlefinger tells Sansa this as they "escape" from King's Landing.
 
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I just rechecked to make sure I hadn't remembered incorrectly--Lady Sybell (mom) was giving Jeyne a fake "fertility potion" that was actually to keep her from getting pregnant, per Tywin's instructions. After TRW Jeyne was taken away under heavy guard for protection, would remain unwed for 2 years to assure everyone there were no lurking Starks in her womb and after that would be wed to some lordling arranged again by Tywin. The guards apparently have instruction to kill Jeyne should anyone try to rescue/kidnap her.

I think that means that she is now totally expendable in the series.
Tywin wont want a baby Stark around after this mess, so I would put a gold coin on Jayne's death. Perhaps that is why she has no ties to anyone in the series, if he kills her it wont start another war somewhere downline. Maybe why it seems she gets to go to the wedding :)
Also in current news the actress seems to have made a mess of a quote in real life about another actress on the show. She is probably done with GoT.
 
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I just rechecked to make sure I hadn't remembered incorrectly--Lady Sybell (mom) was giving Jeyne a fake "fertility potion" that was actually to keep her from getting pregnant, per Tywin's instructions. After TRW Jeyne was taken away under heavy guard for protection, would remain unwed for 2 years to assure everyone there were no lurking Starks in her womb and after that would be wed to some lordling arranged again by Tywin. The guards apparently have instruction to kill Jeyne should anyone try to rescue/kidnap her.
Well that's one interpretation. Another interpretation is that the fertility potions weren't fake and that they worked...and Jeyne got preggers before TRW.

Recall Catelyn's observations of Jeyne on first meeting her:

Queen. Yes, this pretty little girl is a queen, I must remember that. She was pretty, undeniably, with her chestnut curls and heart-shaped face, and that shy smile. Slender, but with good hips, Catelyn noted. She should have no trouble bearing children, at least.
Further on in this chapter it's noted that Jeyne is 16 years old at the time of this meeting (before TRW).

Contrast that with Jaime's observations of Jeyne when she finally made an appearance at the siege of Riverrun:

Jaime shoved the map aside. "Show them in." At least the girl did not vanish, too. Jeyne Westerling had been Robb Stark's queen, the girl who cost him everything. With a wolf in her belly, she could have proved more dangerous than the Blackfish.

She did not look dangerous. Jeyne was a willowy girl, no more than fifteen or sixteen, more awkward than graceful. She had narrow hips, breasts the size of apples, a mop of chestnut curls and the soft brown eyes of a doe. Pretty enough for a child, Jaime decided, but not a girl to lose a kingdom for.

Catelyn made note of her wide hips, this girl's hips were described as narrow. Catelyn described Jeyne as a beautiful young woman. Jaime sees an awkward child.

Now consider her behavior in this encounter:

Her face was puffy, and there was a scab on her forehead, half-hidden by a lock of brown hair. "What happened there? he asked her.

"The girl turned her head away. "It is nothing," insisted her mother, a stern-faced woman in a gown of green velvet. A necklace of golden seashells looped about her long, thin neck. "She would not give up the little crown the rebel gave her, and when I tried to take it from her head the willful child fought me."

"It was mine." Jeyne sobbed. "You had no right. Robb had it made for me. I loved him."

Her mother made to slap her, but Jaime stepped between them. "None of that," he warned Lady Sybell. "Sit down, both of you." The girl curled up in her chair like a frightened animal, but her mother sat stiffly, her head high. "Will you have wine?" he asked them. The girl did not answer. "No, thank you," said her mother.

"As you will." Jaime turned to the daughter. "I am sorry for your loss. The boy had courage, I'll give him that. There is a question I must ask you. Are you carrying his child, my lady?"

Jeyne burst from her chair and would have fled the room if the guard at the door had not seized her by the arm. "She is not," said Lady Sybell, as her daughter struggled to escape. "I made certain of that, as your lord father bid me."

Jaime nodded. Tywin Lannister was not a man to overlook such details. "Unhand the girl," he said, "I'm done with her for now." As Jeyne fled sobbing down the stairs, he considered her mother.

Jeyne's encounter with Robb (tending to his wounds after battle) that led to their marriage implies she is a fully flowered woman. Although shy, her conversations with Cat imply she is more sure of herself than this girl seems to be. Granted, that's before her king is murdered along with many of her kinfolk....but still. The girl described here is unquestionably still a child, both in physical form and demeanor. I don't think Jeyne would act as this girl does.

Many have postulated that the girl Jaime met was not the Young Wolf's bride, but her younger sister, and that the family conspired to hide the real Jeyne from the Lannisters to conceal an otherwise obvious truth: That she was pregnant with Robb's child, heir to King in the North and heir to Winterfell.

Why was the Blackfish holding so stubbornly to Riverrun? He is not a stupid man, and it would have been easier for all had he simply bent the knee once Robb and his niece were murdered at TRW. Especially since his only remaining family and his liege lord Edmure was being held captive and put on display threatened with execution. Lesser men than he had seen the wisdom in bending the knee, in knowing when the battle was lost and when to choose the other side. So why did the Blackfish dig in his heels and resist? What was he protecting?

And where did the Blackfish go after Riverrun was handed over? He's a rather well known member of a high house, a seasoned fighter whom Jaime greatly respected and did not wish to harm. He's not the sort of man to run and hide from a fight. So where did he go, and why?

Because who would Robb have trusted more to guard his queen and unborn child than his uncle, The Blackfish? Blackfish disappeared in the cloak of darkness not because he was running away, but because he had a duty, a task to perform.

And very few men in ASOIAF have risked such measures for a royal line that was dead and done. Look at the measures Connington / Illyrio / Varys took to protect Aegon, or that Illyrio / Varys / Darry took to protect Dany and Viserys, or that Dayne, et al took to protect Lyanna, even after Rhaegar was dead and King's Landing was sacked by Tywin as Jaime opened the Mad King's throat.

The child that Jaime met at Riverrun is a frightened girl being strong-armed by her ambitious mother. If a young girl is forced to play along in a ruse such as this, she is committing treason. She is risking her own life, as well as the life of her sister and her sister's child. She is being used as a pawn in the Game of Thrones. A game she scarcely understands, but certainly grasps the gravity of the consequences.

There's no way that terrified, narrow-hipped little girl in Jaime's tent is Jeyne Westerling. And what other possible reason would the Westerling's have for protecting and hiding the real Jeyne, than her being pregnant with Robb Stark's child?
 
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Juleska, you are certainly onto to something here more convincing than previous musing on Jeyne and her real whereabouts. Now, how does the TV series treat with Robb's more exotic wife after TRW may give us further clues.
 
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Wow. I think you're right juleska. Either George RR Martin has a woeful grasp of the details of his story, or he's dropping us clues all over the place, if only we recognised them.
 
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WOW IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY, WOW! WELL DONE! The show itself may have just restirred a simmering pot as to the mia of jeyne westerling along with the points you made Juleska! ! ahhh i love it!
 
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Thanks, guys, but I can't take credit for theory alone. I noted the discrepancy when I read the passage with Jaime the first time, it was more obvious on my second read-through of the books....but others on this forum have put forth the same assertion.

I am curious about how the change of the character in the show affects this direction of the story...assuming the theory is true....I wonder if they're not going with the ol' was-supposed-to-be-a-spy-but-fell-in-love-with-the-target-and-switched-sides-and-is-now-wanted-dead-by-everyone route.
 
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I think that what you've written here is true, Juleska. Jaime in particular is involved in several of these "observations" where he thinks about characters in order to give us hints. Some are more obvious than others, like Jeyne Poole/Arya, because we already know that it's clearly not Arya. Isn't it Jaime who doesn't really believe that it's Sandor Clegane raiding at Saltpans because it's not the kind of thing he would do? Maybe it was someone else, but even so, those kinds of thoughts are important, as is Jaime's description of "Jeyne Westerling". Why would GRRM go through all the trouble of describing her physically in such detail through Jaime when the reader has already encountered her before? At that point, she's not exactly a major character.

My biggest concern with this is WHY do we need another possible heir to Winterfell? It makes me think that either Rickon doesn't make it to the end of the series, or that there's some other plan for him. Also, I really couldn't care less about the child of Robb and Jeyne, and I don't want him or her to become important. Robb dying was one big MEH for me in the book. Maybe because he wasn't a PoV character, but I never really cared about him.
 
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My biggest concern with this is WHY do we need another possible heir to Winterfell? It makes me think that either Rickon doesn't make it to the end of the series, or that there's some other plan for him. Also, I really couldn't care less about the child of Robb and Jeyne, and I don't want him or her to become important. Robb dying was one big MEH for me in the book. Maybe because he wasn't a PoV character, but I never really cared about him.

Davos will find Rickon, and I can't wait for that to happen! Rickon will have grown up allot in the last little while and he may or may not have an army of crazy, south-of-the-wall wildlings and mountain clans.

I think Winterfel will end up being extremely important, simply because of the impending invasion of the Others. If dany and Jon end up together, there is a good chance that Winterfel will be their seat, rather than Kings landing.
 
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I think that what you've written here is true, Juleska. Jaime in particular is involved in several of these "observations" where he thinks about characters in order to give us hints. Some are more obvious than others, like Jeyne Poole/Arya, because we already know that it's clearly not Arya. Isn't it Jaime who doesn't really believe that it's Sandor Clegane raiding at Saltpans because it's not the kind of thing he would do? Maybe it was someone else, but even so, those kinds of thoughts are important, as is Jaime's description of "Jeyne Westerling". Why would GRRM go through all the trouble of describing her physically in such detail through Jaime when the reader has already encountered her before? At that point, she's not exactly a major character.

My biggest concern with this is WHY do we need another possible heir to Winterfell? It makes me think that either Rickon doesn't make it to the end of the series, or that there's some other plan for him. Also, I really couldn't care less about the child of Robb and Jeyne, and I don't want him or her to become important. Robb dying was one big MEH for me in the book. Maybe because he wasn't a PoV character, but I never really cared about him.
I don't think it's important in the sense of inheriting the kingdom of the North, but I do think the possibility of a male heir to Robb is important in the context of continuing the male line of the Starks. Starks have been extremely important to the history of Westeros, not only in the protection of the North and their unflagging support of The Night's Watch, but also in the development of Westeros. Recall the tales of Bran the Builder, after all.

As it stands, Ned is dead, his brother, sister and father were all murdered long ago. Robb is dead, Bran is not going to be siring any off-spring, Arya is becoming an asexual assassin, Sansa will produce some heirs but she's female, so they won't be Stark heirs. And we don't know what's to become of Rickon just yet. And of course there is Jon...but whether he's Ned's ******* or Aerys' ******* or the polygamous off-spring of Lyanna and Rhaegar, he's still not a Stark. He may or may not be legitimized by Robb's long-lost letter....but I doubt it. For one he has a very different role to play, I think all of us are certain of that. Two, Robb's letter (if it's ever found) is basically toilet paper at this point. "Oh gee....you were legitimized by a dead traitor who called himself a king, that's nice."

There must always be a Stark in Winterfell. Even if Davos finds Rickon alive and well, I have a feeling he's not going to make it through the series alive. I hope he kills a lot of Lannisters before he leaves our company for good, but I don't think he's long for this world. Robb and Jeyne were the best chance to produce an heir to rebuild the Stark legacy and return Winterfell to its rightful (and needed) place in the power structure.
 
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I don't think it's important in the sense of inheriting the kingdom of the North, but I do think the possibility of a male heir to Robb is important in the context of continuing the male line of the Starks. Starks have been extremely important to the history of Westeros, not only in the protection of the North and their unflagging support of The Night's Watch, but also in the development of Westeros. Recall the tales of Bran the Builder, after all.

As it stands, Ned is dead, his brother, sister and father were all murdered long ago. Robb is dead, Bran is not going to be siring any off-spring, Arya is becoming an asexual assassin, Sansa will produce some heirs but she's female, so they won't be Stark heirs. And we don't know what's to become of Rickon just yet. And of course there is Jon...but whether he's Ned's ******* or Aerys' ******* or the polygamous off-spring of Lyanna and Rhaegar, he's still not a Stark. He may or may not be legitimized by Robb's long-lost letter....but I doubt it. For one he has a very different role to play, I think all of us are certain of that. Two, Robb's letter (if it's ever found) is basically toilet paper at this point. "Oh gee....you were legitimized by a dead traitor who called himself a king, that's nice."

There must always be a Stark in Winterfell. Even if Davos finds Rickon alive and well, I have a feeling he's not going to make it through the series alive. I hope he kills a lot of Lannisters before he leaves our company for good, but I don't think he's long for this world. Robb and Jeyne were the best chance to produce an heir to rebuild the Stark legacy and return Winterfell to its rightful (and needed) place in the power structure.

Just stumbled across this thread on "the other forum".
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/62077-brans-weirwood-visions/page__st__140

One of the posters on this thread proposed a theory that to end a long winter, a Stark might have to be sacrificed to the old gods. Lots of hints for it: the power of a king's blood, bran's vision, the TWOW Theon Chapter, etc.
 
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Just stumbled across this thread on "the other forum".
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/62077-brans-weirwood-visions/page__st__140

One of the posters on this thread proposed a theory that to end a long winter, a Stark might have to be sacrificed to the old gods. Lots of hints for it: the power of a king's blood, bran's vision, the TWOW Theon Chapter, etc.
Interesting discussion there....I hadn't really considered that this particular series of weirwood visions were moving backwards in time in a linear way. If that's the case then the pregnant woman Bran saw could not possibly be Lyanna, and it boldens the circumstantial evidence that Jon is the son of Rhaegar, not the Raper King. This fits with the evidence I previously found that strengthens the theory that Lyanna and Rhaegar were legitimately married prior to her pregnancy and untimely death.

As for the prospect of a Stark being sacrificed to end the Winter and the advance of the Others....it's the best theory I've heard yet with respect to Mel's insistence that a King's blood must be sacrificed. She's tried sacrificing kings but obviously none have pleased her red god...likely because they are not true kings.

Was Robert a true king? Not really. Thus, Stannis and Renly (nor any of Robert's many many many many bastards) are not either. Certainly neither Joffrey nor Tommen are. Balon doesn't count, either.

I think the lesson here is that a crown does not make a king, but deeds do. Starks have not borne the title of king (until Robb) for many years, but who they are has never changed. The same blood, the same character, the same traditions they carried as kings define who the Starks are today. Hell even Robert said that Ned should've been the king, though Ned was right...his place was in Winterfell.

So it makes perfect sense: If Robb, a true King, produced a legitimate male heir, it's not someone we're going to get to know particularly well (I don't think) and are not likely to be horribly attached to...apart from the fact that he may or may not represent the last of the Stark line...then he would be the best candidate for the sacrifice that Mel insists is necessary.

Just thinking out loud....
 
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Agree to all on Robb's bloodline, but have a point of contention with the "true king" question.

I don't remember Mel sacrificing any "kings" and not getting results. By the power of Stannis's King's Blood (okay, well maybe not blood per se), she was able to make a shadow assassin. Who else did she sacrifice without result?

Robert Baratheon was an usurper, so it wasn't in his blood before he was crowned, but he had power enough to make his bastards valuable to Mel. I think the power of the King's blood comes from the fact that they are crowned kings, not necessarily from genetic material before their time. It's magic after all. Maybe it's the magical power that comes from their followers believing in them, or something magical about the laws of their universe that recognizes a "king".
 
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As for the prospect of a Stark being sacrificed to end the Winter and the advance of the Others....it's the best theory I've heard yet with respect to Mel's insistence that a King's blood must be sacrificed. She's tried sacrificing kings but obviously none have pleased her red god...likely because they are not true kings.

Was Robert a true king? Not really. Thus, Stannis and Renly (nor any of Robert's many many many many bastards) are not either. Certainly neither Joffrey nor Tommen are. Balon doesn't count, either.


I don't remember Mel sacrificing any "kings" and not getting results. By the power of Stannis's King's Blood (okay, well maybe not blood per se), she was able to make a shadow assassin. Who else did she sacrifice without result?

Robert Baratheon was an usurper, so it wasn't in his blood before he was crowned, but he had power enough to make his bastards valuable to Mel. I think the power of the King's blood comes from the fact that they are crowned kings, not necessarily from genetic material before their time. It's magic after all. Maybe it's the magical power that comes from their followers believing in them, or something magical about the laws of their universe that recognizes a "king".

I think the idea Tywin raises about magic recognizing the shifts in leadership of Westeros is an interesting one. We know that magic carries a fair amount of weight in Westeros, but it also seems that prior to fairly recently (red comet, dragons, etc.) that it has been a primarily dormant force south of the Wall. (There is ample evidence to illustrate the active and enduring magics the Wall has been infused with.) The only solid evidence of magic in Westeros proper are the pyromancers' mention of wildfire being manufactured much more easily and rapidly which, according to them, could not be explained by anything other than dragons existing (which they do in Essos). And of course Mel.

But with all of these magics, even in the case of Dany's dragons, there has been action and intention. Valyrian steel is spell-forged, presumably by a spell-caster. The Wall was built and infused with ancient magics by spell-casters (later called maesters) to defend the realm of men. Dany had to put her eggs on the pyre (intention and action, even if the outcome was unknown) for the magic of dragons being born into the world to occur. Lastly, Melisandre casts spells to work her magics for good or evil.

As there are no set rules or laws with which magic is defined, let alone governed, there is no qualifiable evidence to suggest that magic would define who or what a true king is unless...

We examine the magic of Westeros itself. Before the Andals and all that, there were the Children of the Forest, the Greenseers, etc. The continent of Westeros was covered with weirwoods, known as "heart trees." Somewhere along the line, the Children of the Forest carved faces into the weirwoods, which would be a way for man to connect with a spiritual force he cannot see or understand, the same way the Faith of the south has the Seven Faces of the One God (modeled after Christianity's "Holy Trinity"). Human beings as people can more easily relate to something with a face. Based on this, it could be argued that the "old gods," understood and related to by the faces in the heart trees, are the spirit or essence of Westeros itself.

The old gods are felt most deeply and best understood in a godswood, which used to cover the continent, and are still kept in the south by more prominent families (in tradition, if not in use), it could be argued then that the power of the old gods, reinforced by Bran's experiences, can be interpreted as the spirit or the essence of Westeros itself. If Westeros itself has a stake in the lines of succession, and whom it would thus recognize, there could be only one answer.

The Starks

Starks have not borne the title of king (until Robb) for many years, but who they are has never changed. The same blood, the same character, the same traditions they carried as kings define who the Starks are today. Hell even Robert said that Ned should've been the king, though Ned was right...his place was in Winterfell.

Brandon "Bran the Builder" Stark, was the founder of House Stark, first King of the North, and builder of both Winterfell and the Wall. Throughout the ages, there has always been a Stark at Winterfell (until very recently, and due strictly to circumstance) and there has always been a Stark on the Wall, both defending the realms of men.

Under the premise that a king's blood would be required to save the realm (from the Others, from its people, from anything), only the blood of a king recognized by the governing powers of the magic being invoked would do. As the current and most pressing threat to the realm is that of the Others, it stands to reason that the kingly blood recognized by Westeros would be that of the Starks.

So it makes perfect sense: If Robb, a true King, produced a legitimate male heir, it's not someone we're going to get to know particularly well (I don't think) and are not likely to be horribly attached to...apart from the fact that he may or may not represent the last of the Stark line...then he would be the best candidate for the sacrifice that Mel insists is necessary.

It does not necessarily have to be Robb's heirs. As attested by Melisandre in her desire to use Edric Storm/Gendry, the king's blood is required, which also includes direct descendants of that line. Robb was made King in the North, but he was not the first. Robb, as was his father, his father's father (you know the drill) were all descendants of Brandon Stark, first of his name. King Torrhen bent the knee to Aegon the Conqueror, removing his style as king, but that did not make him any less king's blood, because of his parentage.

So any direct descendant of King Brandon I Stark possesses king's blood. This includes Sansa, Arya, Bran, Rickon, and Jon.

As for Melisandre, while her true powers are still for the most part hidden, she doesn't have much in the way of king's blood (that of Edric Storm/Gendry) and her magic that she's responsible for. She burned some leeches. One Balon Greyjoy, one for Robb Stark, one for Joffrey Lannister-Baratheon. All three deaths occur, but not one of them is attributed to her. Balon Greyjoy either gets blown to his death by a stiff breeze, or Crow's Eye gives him a nice shove (and as far as we know, Melisandre has no involvement with the Greyjoys), Robb Stark suffers TRW, which is conspired between the Freys, the Boltons and the Lannisters (none of whom share any affiliation with Melisandre, as she's for Stannis), and there has been no evidence to suggest that she has any hand in, or any involvement with the players who conspire, the Royal Wedding. Sure, she makes the comment to the effect of "the Lord of Light chooses those necessary as instruments to bring about His work" and she could attempt to chalk it up to that, but that's no different than me *thinking* "I wish someone would beat up that bully who stole my lunch money," then go home and stab my voodoo doll made out of kleenex and duct tape, then bully gets beat up by someone else for a totally unrelated reason, and then me saying the next day, "Yeah, I beat up that bully."

It just doesn't fly.
 

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