GRRM confirms that fans have guessed ending!

[Fitcherman]

Welcome, Fitcherman! Thanks for chiming in on the GRRM forum. Let me first state, that I've been on the Chrons for nine years, that I love conspiracy theories, and that I want to know all theories of Ice and Fire. I love the game of thrones, but the supernatural will decide the fate of Westeros... so sell me on your idea.

I'd not thought of the Red Priests being controlled by someone else. In fact, it seems to me that they are the only ones south of the Wall who actually do possess some supernatural abilities besides worging. I don't want to shoot your idea down, but can you explain how the priests work their magic in Essos and on the sea?

Thank you for the welcome.

I'm not sure I would call it a conspiracy theory. As we all know by now, Mr. Martin rarely gives us the outcome that we had predicted. There is actually quite a bit of evidence for my main theory here so I don't think it is completely off the wall.

Mainly it comes down to the fact that this is a Fantasy after all, so like you said, the supernatural elements will become much more important in the last couple of books. The predictable theory is that Ice and Fire will be fighting against each other. But that is just that, predictable, and frankly I don't find that to be all that interesting as I don't think it would be much of a contest. It seems like the Dragons would just sweep down on the White Walkers and kill them. BUT, if they were on the same side, working together in harmony, like a song, they would have a good chance at ridding the world of Men, which the Children of the Forest have been trying to do for 10,000 years.

I think anything magic related, other than the Targaryen Dragon related stuff, stems from the Children of the Forest and their Greenseers. This includes the Wargs of the North, the Faceless Men of Bravos, and the Red Priests of Asshai. The Northerners pray to the Old Gods, which are actually the Children of the Forest, so they are naturally aligned with them. The earlier Northerners practiced blood sacrifice and are often mocked by the other people in Westeros for their magical tendencies which Southerners fear. The Red Priests of Asshai think they are communicating with R'hllor, and I guess you could say they are, but R'hllor is Bloodraven. He shows them what he wants to, to suit his own needs. He has brought Melisandre to the Wall, where she feels much more powerful, he has the High Priest over in Essos preaching against Dany's enemies, and he is currently bringing Moqorro to Dany's side. I don't know HOW the Children/Bloodraven transfer their magic to other users, other than to say it is magic and magic users can do whatever they want.

I feel like I am still leaving out a lot of other information, but I'm not good at long posts on here. I'll try to keep bringing other support to the table. I also put some of it in my first few posts.

 

[Brian G Turner]

I freely admit my knowledge of Westeros isn't very good, but I do recall a point being made that Melissandre does not understand her visions and magic, merely uses them. And that a key way she has done this has been to use bastards of Robert Baratheon - ostensibly to empower Stannis. But what if it's also to ensure no potential heirs or claims to the throne or loyalist rallying figures to work against Daenerys? Bloodraven manipulating Melissandre to do the dirty work?

It's certainly food for thought to to suggest that the magic in Westeros isn't as disconnect as it appears.

 

[Fitcherman]

I freely admit my knowledge of Westeros isn't very good, but I do recall a point being made that Melissandre does not understand her visions and magic, merely uses them. And that a key way she has done this has been to use bastards of Robert Baratheon - ostensibly to empower Stannis. But what if it's also to ensure no potential heirs or claims to the throne or loyalist rallying figures to work against Daenerys? Bloodraven manipulating Melissandre to do the dirty work?

It's certainly food for thought to to suggest that the magic in Westeros isn't as disconnect as it appears.

Yes. Melisandre is obsessed with making blood sacrifices. The Northerners of old used to make blood sacrifices at the heart tree as we saw in Bran's visions. Also, the Faceless Men are tasked with killing people. All of this killing/blood sacrifice could be empowering the Children of the Forest or the White Walkers, or allowing Bloodraven to maintain his power.

We know blood strengthens the greenseers magical abilities because we saw Bran consuming that paste.

 

[Null_Zone]

I read the first couple back in the 90s and my thought was the series would end with Rob and pretty blonde teaching foreigners about western values would found a new dynasty. Shortly followed by Jon would marry her for added incest which seems traditional.

How has not too edgy fantasy moved on in nearly twenty years?

 

[Deɑth.]

I read the first couple back in the 90s and my thought was the series would end with Rob and pretty blonde teaching foreigners about western values would found a new dynasty. Shortly followed by Jon would marry her for added incest which seems traditional.

How has not too edgy fantasy moved on in nearly twenty years?

Who ?

 

[Anushka Mokosh]

Who ?

I assume Jayne Westerling whose hair is chestnut rather than blonde, but people generally seem to consider her a blonde (at least in my experience).

 

[chongjasmine]

I cannot and will not guess the ending.
I prefer to read a book without preconceived notions.
I really enjoy the song of ice and fire. Currently reading book 2 of the series.

 

[ArstenWhitebeard]

If it was just White Walkers vs. everyone else, I don't see how that is much of a battle at all. They tried that the first time around and it didn't work, now the Children of the Forest have even less in numbers so they would be doomed to repeat their failure.

That is why I think this time they will be working with more allies. The Children of the Forest have been plotting their revenge for 8,000 years and have strategically placed their pieces around the world. With Greenseers, White Walkers, Wargs, Dragons, Red Priests, and perhaps others such as the Faceless Men on their side, they will not be fighting alone this time. Even with all that help though, I still think they would lose to Men who could field an army perhaps as large as 300,000 strong.

Mainly it comes down to the fact that this is a Fantasy after all, so like you said, the supernatural elements will become much more important in the last couple of books. The predictable theory is that Ice and Fire will be fighting against each other. But that is just that, predictable, and frankly I don't find that to be all that interesting as I don't think it would be much of a contest. It seems like the Dragons would just sweep down on the White Walkers and kill them. BUT, if they were on the same side, working together in harmony, like a song, they would have a good chance at ridding the world of Men, which the Children of the Forest have been trying to do for 10,000 years.

I think anything magic related, other than the Targaryen Dragon related stuff, stems from the Children of the Forest and their Greenseers. This includes the Wargs of the North, the Faceless Men of Bravos, and the Red Priests of Asshai. The Northerners pray to the Old Gods, which are actually the Children of the Forest, so they are naturally aligned with them. The earlier Northerners practiced blood sacrifice and are often mocked by the other people in Westeros for their magical tendencies which Southerners fear. The Red Priests of Asshai think they are communicating with R'hllor, and I guess you could say they are, but R'hllor is Bloodraven. He shows them what he wants to, to suit his own needs. He has brought Melisandre to the Wall, where she feels much more powerful, he has the High Priest over in Essos preaching against Dany's enemies, and he is currently bringing Moqorro to Dany's side. I don't know HOW the Children/Bloodraven transfer their magic to other users, other than to say it is magic and magic users can do whatever they want.

My problem with your theory is that the children of the forest have NOT been actively trying to rid the world of men. They were around in Westeros before men arrived, and it was the first men who went to war with the children of the forest. The chirldren were merely trying to defend themselves agains the men who wanted to wipe them out. They eventually made a a peace pact and fought together against the Others during the long night. and the Chilren of the Forest used to supply the nights watch with Obsidian daggers to protect them against the Others. I find it really unlikely that the children of the forest, who worship trees and life, are in league with the White walkers, who worship ice and death.

If it was just White Walkers vs. everyone else, I don't see how that is much of a battle at all. They tried that the first time around and it didn't work, now the Children of the Forest have even less in numbers so they would be doomed to repeat their failure.

here I think you have it backwards. The fact that the Children of the Forest are fewer in numbers indicates that the others fave a GREATER chance of victory, since the children helped Men defeat the others the first time around.

 

[Fitcherman]

I assume Jayne Westerling whose hair is chestnut rather than blonde, but people generally seem to consider her a blonde (at least in my experience).

I think they mean Dany.

 

[Fitcherman]

My problem with your theory is that the children of the forest have NOT been actively trying to rid the world of men. They were around in Westeros before men arrived, and it was the first men who went to war with the children of the forest. The chirldren were merely trying to defend themselves agains the men who wanted to wipe them out. They eventually made a a peace pact and fought together against the Others during the long night. and the Chilren of the Forest used to supply the nights watch with Obsidian daggers to protect them against the Others. I find it really unlikely that the children of the forest, who worship trees and life, are in league with the White walkers, who worship ice and death.



here I think you have it backwards. The fact that the Children of the Forest are fewer in numbers indicates that the others fave a GREATER chance of victory, since the children helped Men defeat the others the first time around.

We don't know what the Children have been doing for the last 8,000 years and the only people who know are Mr. Martin and people he has confided in. So it's not a "problem" in a theory. It's just a theory. It is my belief that the Children have been planning for one final battle. They lost the first time around trying to fight straight up against Men and did not have the numbers so this time they have been moving pieces around the board that is Westeros and Essos to defeat the Men by outsmarting them and using some of their own people against them.

Yes the Children went to war with Men and ended up losing and being stuck on the wrong side of the Wall. We have been led to believe that they made a peace pact and then fought together against the White Walkers but I believe that is Mr. Martin leaving us a false trail. If the Children fought for a long time against Men, I don't think it is very believable that they would then turn around and fight WITH Men against White Walkers, win the battle, and then end up on the wrong side of the Wall with the White Walkers. It makes no sense that they would help their enemy and it makes no sense that they would be rewarded for their help by being stuck on the wrong side of the Wall.

That is fine if you find it unlikely that the Children of the Forest are in league with the White Walkers, but the thing that both of these other races seem to have in common is that they want to kill all of the Men of Westeros. I would say that is reason enough to work together.

I don't have anything "backwards" about the odds of who would win the final battle. You are assuming the Children are going to help Men against the White Walkers. But I am saying I think the Children are working with the White Walkers.

 

[Fitcherman]

Oh and I forgot to mention one of the biggest pieces of evidence in support of this theory. I don't know if you watch the TV show at all, but the developers have been dropping big time hints about the storyline that were not in the books. The one that supports this theory was when the flock of ravens alerted the White Walker to Sam and Gilly's location so that the White Walker could have another one of Craster's sons. Bloodraven is in control of those ravens so he was the one helping out the White Walker. Hence the Children of the Forest/Bloodraven/White Walkers alliance.

 

[ArstenWhitebeard]

Oh and I forgot to mention one of the biggest pieces of evidence in support of this theory. I don't know if you watch the TV show at all, but the developers have been dropping big time hints about the storyline that were not in the books. The one that supports this theory was when the flock of ravens alerted the White Walker to Sam and Gilly's location so that the White Walker could have another one of Craster's sons. Bloodraven is in control of those ravens so he was the one helping out the White Walker. Hence the Children of the Forest/Bloodraven/White Walkers alliance.

I do watch the show and in the show, as in the books, the ravens SAVED Sam and Gilly from the White Walker, they didn't lead it to them.

Im not trying to be argumentative, but your theory has more holes than a collander (in my opinion). Check out this link for all the information about the children of the forest, gleaned from the books.

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Children_of_the_forest

The first Men came to westeros and started cutting down the heart trees, which sparked the war agains the children of the Forest. A war they fought to a standstill and eventually made a peace pact and most of the First Men started following the gods of the Children of the Forest. the peace lasted thousands of years before the white walkers came, during which battle the children of the forest fought along side the first men. At the end of the long night, the children of the forest began lretreating deeper into the forestests and beyond the wall, which they helped to defend. Then the Andals invaded, and the Children of the Forest fought alongside the First Men against the Andals. at the end of those wars, the andals lived mostly in the other 6 kingdoms, with the First men having dominion over the north (aka, half of the landmass known as westeros). then the children of the forest abandoned the first men to live beyond the wall. I know you are saying that all of this history is just martin leaving a false trail, but if you can't trust Martin's history, then you could say anything is true in aSoIaF. You could very well say that Ned is still alive, and the scene when he gets beheaded is just martin's way of leaving a false trail.

 

[Fitcherman]

I do watch the show and in the show, as in the books, the ravens SAVED Sam and Gilly from the White Walker, they didn't lead it to them.

Im not trying to be argumentative, but your theory has more holes than a collander (in my opinion). Check out this link for all the information about the children of the forest, gleaned from the books.

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Children_of_the_forest

The first Men came to westeros and started cutting down the heart trees, which sparked the war agains the children of the Forest. A war they fought to a standstill and eventually made a peace pact and most of the First Men started following the gods of the Children of the Forest. the peace lasted thousands of years before the white walkers came, during which battle the children of the forest fought along side the first men. At the end of the long night, the children of the forest began lretreating deeper into the forestests and beyond the wall, which they helped to defend. Then the Andals invaded, and the Children of the Forest fought alongside the First Men against the Andals. at the end of those wars, the andals lived mostly in the other 6 kingdoms, with the First men having dominion over the north (aka, half of the landmass known as westeros). then the children of the forest abandoned the first men to live beyond the wall. I know you are saying that all of this history is just martin leaving a false trail, but if you can't trust Martin's history, then you could say anything is true in aSoIaF. You could very well say that Ned is still alive, and the scene when he gets beheaded is just martin's way of leaving a false trail.

haha well I guess that scene can be looked at two different ways. I think the ravens (Bloodraven) led the White Walker to Sam, Gilly, and her son. I suppose you are saying the ravens warned Sam? I don't really see how that "saved" them. The dagger is what saved them. But I do see how that could be taken both ways.

I still say the Long Night did not happen quite as it is being portrayed. We are being told that history through the characters of Westeros, but the people of Westeros are not the authority on what happened there 10,000 years ago. Martin has routinely led false trails through characters and their views or opinions. How is it that the Red Priests of Asshai know more about Azor Ahai than the people of Westoros? How is it that they know of the prophecy at all?

If Bloodraven and the Children of the Forest are on the side of Men and the Night's Watch, why is there no communication between them? The Night's Watch does not understand their enemy. If the Children of the Forest really were on their side, wouldn't they come down, announce themselves, and let the Night's Watch know what is going on? And why is Bloodraven never mentioned by Aemon and vice versa? Their silence speaks volumes about their relationship or lack thereof.

You say this theory has more holes than a collander, but from my viewpoint your theory has some serious gaps as well. And I hope I just patched some of my "holes."

 

[Boaz]

Fitch, may I call you Fitch? Sorry, I'm not buying. I love the fact that you're looking for explanations no one else has made. I love the fact that you're trying to connect the fonts of supernatural power. But I disagree that the Children are on the side of the Others. In the ADWD chapter where Bran finally reaches Bloodraven's cave, the wights attacked Coldhands, his ravens, his elk, Bran, Hodor, Meera, and Jojen... and only Bloodraven's (or the Children's) magic kept the wights out of the cave.

I feel the Children know they're done, but they'll try and do the right thing as their swan song. I don't think they nor BR is pulling any strings for the Red Priests. I did not see any evidence of fire in the cave. And I mean R'hllor's magic fire... life giving fire... vision giving fire. In fact, BR does not need fire because he has his world wide web, or better... his realm reaching root. I dunno how he could influence Red Priests on other continents or at sea.

I think the priests of R'hllor represent the most dangerous and dark magic in the story. How many men has Melisandre murdered or attempted to murder in the name of expediency? Renly, Cortnay Penrose, and Edric Storm were all murdered or bled in order to save lives. That's just dangerous thinking. Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Jeffrey Dahmer, James Eagan Holmes... these guys earned themselves death. It would have been better if someone had been able to kill them in order to save lives.

Seriously, what does Melisandre think Stannis is going to do with that silly sword? She's not as wise as she thinks... and if she is influenced by BR, then what does he think Stannis will do to The Other?

You know, GRRM has stated that ASOIAF has been initially influenced by the War of the Roses and he later stated that the Albigensian Crusade was another influence. I always took his reference to the Albigensian Crusade to coincide with the rise of the Sparrows and the return of the power of the Faith Militant. But what if it's not? What region of Westeros is under such heresy that the High Septon will call a crusade? None. The land is in turmoil from civil war and the Sparrows are upset over the socio-economic order, but the only people involved in heresy in the Seven Kingdoms are Beric's Brotherhood. The Brotherhood does not control enough land or have enough clout to even register on the Faith's radar. And besides, Jaime and Randyll Tarly are already trying to root them out.

To my best recollection, the theologies that sprung up in southern France in the twelfth century led to the crusade in the 13th. I think there was some violence and the Pope declared a crusade against the town of Albi. The Pope granted all lands of defeated heretics to their conquerors. Of course this drew the wrong kind of men to fight in a holy war. These men quickly declared many towns in France to be filled with heretics and the soldiers begain pillaging everything. Soon the heretics were joined by all commoners in the region in a joint defense against wholesale theft and murder. The crusade was a failure and the French King had to send in his army to put down an insurrection caused by papal warmongering.

Now the Red Priests also have a mission and they've already outlined who they think are the heretics and heathen... the Others. In fact, one of their best is already on a quest to defeat them. Melisandre has a king, a magic sword, and an army. Oh, by the way... the main weapon of R'hllor is fire. So what if the Others are just defending their land from foreign intervention? What if they just want to push the humans back beyond the Wall? What if they have no intention of crossing the Wall? What will Melisandre do if the Others are content to just stay on their side?

Edit: What I'm saying is that I think Melisandre and the Queen's Men are the wrong sort of people to be involved in solving this crisis. She's already lied to Stannis about Mance and murdered Rattleshirt.

 

[Fitcherman]

Boaz,

Yeah you can call me Fitch. The wights attacking Bran's party is one of the things I'm most uncomfortable with, but I have been willing to overlook it because of way too many other problems with the history that we are led to believe.

If the Children and Bloodraven are truly there to help Men against the White Walkers, then why are they not communicating to the Night's Watch? Why are they not helping them? Why do Aemon and Bloodraven (Targaryen relatives who came to the Wall together) never mention one another? Bloodraven and the Children have serious reasons to hate humanity that cannot be overlooked.

If the Children fought on the side of Men during the Long Night, why did they end up on the wrong side of the Wall, deep in enemy territory? Who actually put up the Wall? I think the Children may have put up the Wall to keep Men out of the North.

ASOIAF is based on the War of the Roses and the Albigensian Crusade, BUT, those are more about the Game of Thrones and the role of Faith in Westoros. But what about The Song of Ice and Fire? The title speaks to more of the supernatural, not the Game of Thrones. I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but ASOIAF is also heavily based on Norse Mythology. I'm no expert on Norse Mythology, but this one guy who posts about ASOIAF and Norse Mythology says a battle between Ice and Fire would not fit Ragnarok, and rather that they would be fighting on the same side. This also fits the title of A SONG of Ice and Fire. A Song to me means harmony and cooperation, which would put Ice and Fire together, cooperating. Also, Bloodraven has huge ties to Loki, the Trickster God, in Norse Mythology, which would fit his role as an unknown entity who shape shifts and it actually working to bring down those whom you think he is trying to help. I can link you to this guy's site where he has four huge posts about ASOIAF and Norse Mythology. It is the best stuff on ASOIAF I have ever read and a lot of what I have been arguing on here comes directly from his points.

 

[Brian G Turner]

I guess that scene can be looked at two different ways. I think the ravens (Bloodraven) led the White Walker to Sam, Gilly, and her son.

I have to admit, when I saw that scene in the show, my impression was that the crows were connected with the white walkers. I didn't think of Bloodraven, though, as I'm not very good at making connections.

Just to add to Fitcherman's theory - don't we have text somewhere about additional weirwoods being purposefully destroyed by Lannisters? And did Theon's actions damage the one at Winterfell? If so on both points, what reason would the children of the forest have to support the peoples behind such acts? Simply throwing that out there.

 

[soulsinging]

I think they mean Dany.

I assumed he was referring to Dany.

Can I also add that I understand roughly 5% of what you two are debating, but it's fascinating to read and makes me think I'm going to have to break down and re-read the series (haven't read ADWD yet even) so I can look for these things. I read it the first time in law school so I wasn't THAT focused and approached it like reading a Dragonlance series (where is the action?? It's just people WALKING!!). It wasn't until SoS that I truly got hooked.

 

[ArstenWhitebeard]

I am just going to say that sometimes, you need to take the things that are happening at face value. I know a lot of the history of westeros is a bit hazy, as sam points out with the age of heroes and kings ruling for 100s of years and knights being around thousands of years before there WERE knights, and all of that. But this is an epic fantasy series, not an M. Night Shayamalan movie. Martin writes his characters as morally grey, but in the end its going to come down to a head between two factions, good and evil, Fire and Ice. I'm sorry but if you want your theory to have some weight, you are going to need to give better evidence than "Martin has led us astray before". beecause, while that is true, it proves nothing. you could as easily say that the Others are actually aliens from the future.

Also, I am not an expert on Norse mythology either, but I think bloodraven better represents Odin. Odin is associated with: War, Battle, Victory, Death, Magic, Wisdom, and the Hunt.

Also, both have one eye, both have an affinity to ravens and both are associated with Trees (Odin and the World Tree)

 

[Boaz]

I have to admit, when I saw that scene in the show, my impression was that the crows were connected with the white walkers.

I can understand how you and Fitch viewed the scene. In the book, the ravens only herald the arrival of Coldhands. That's how Sam and Gilly met him. Tower of the Hand: ASOS Chapter 47. The ravens belong to Ben... err, I meant Coldhands.

Just to add to Fitcherman's theory - don't we have text somewhere about additional weirwoods being purposefully destroyed by Lannisters?

The Lannisters specifically? No. The Andals (the race from which the Lannisters, Arryns, Tullys, and Tyrells are all descended) cut down as many as they could find. The original pact was between the Children and the First Men. The Andals overran both of them. Tower of the Hand: AGOT Chapter 67.

And did Theon's actions damage the one at Winterfell?

Ramsay's fire burnt Winterfell, but I don't think it touched the tree. In ADWD, Bran uses the Heart Tree of Winterfell to view Winterfell. He sees a number of scenes over the centuries. One of these visions may be a young Theon cutting three slim branches to make arrows. Wiki of Ice and Fire: ADWD Chapter 34. Also in ADWD, Theon thinks he hears his name when he is at the tree. Wiki of Ice and Fire: ADWD Chapter 37. I know ASOIAF is not absolutely chronological, but Theon hears his name after Bran learns to use the tree. And Bran used it many years after the three branches were cut. Also, when Bran prayed at the tree to the Old Gods (in ACOK), Osha told him the wind in the leaves was their answer.... which may have just been Brynden Rivers, aka Bloodraven, calling to him. So I don't think the tree is damaged. If the tree were eight thousand years old, wouldn't it view the cutting of three small branches as nail trimming?

If so on both points, what reason would the children of the forest have to support the peoples behind such acts? Simply throwing that out there.

I don't know that Brynden knows the truth behind the Others. Maybe, maybe not. But he does seem involved in trying to provide some small aid to humans. Now Brynden is a Targaryen ******* from the Riverlands. Neither the Andals (people of the Riverlands) nor the Valyrians (the race of the Targaryens) was ever allied to the Children. And yet, he's allied with the last of the Children. The Children are now obviously sheltering Bran, Hodor, Meera, and Jojen who are all (probably) descended from the First Men.

I read it the first time in law school so I wasn't THAT focused and approached it like reading a Dragonlance series (where is the action?? It's just people WALKING!!). It wasn't until SoS that I truly got hooked.

I would never attempt ASOIAF while getting my doctorate! I did not read for pleasure when I was working on my master's. ASOS was indeed a high water mark for the series... so many plots came together and felt resolved... or at least semi-resolved. Maybe it was just that we all finally exhaled or stood up and cheered at the Royal Wedding. And then the tension built back up for the trial and then was relieved in the escape.

I enjoyed the Dragonlance novels when I was nineteen or twenty. Tas was a riot. Tanis and the others were trying to do some good and survive, while Raistlin tried to go off and rule the universe from beyond the grave! Weis, Hickman, Feist, Wurts, McCaffery, Herbert were among the authors that moved me from Tolkien, Lewis, and Howard to beyond the Tolkien clones... But I cannot read ASOIAF like I read Archie, Garfield, or The Wheel of Time. There are too many connections from book to book. Martin has laid down so many hints and clues in the first three books that I end up endlessly comparing characters and plots. I'm sure GRRM feels like he's already said the big line, "I see dead people", but I still have not figured it out. I'll probably be shocked at the end.

 

[Fitcherman]

I am just going to say that sometimes, you need to take the things that are happening at face value. I know a lot of the history of westeros is a bit hazy, as sam points out with the age of heroes and kings ruling for 100s of years and knights being around thousands of years before there WERE knights, and all of that. But this is an epic fantasy series, not an M. Night Shayamalan movie. Martin writes his characters as morally grey, but in the end its going to come down to a head between two factions, good and evil, Fire and Ice. I'm sorry but if you want your theory to have some weight, you are going to need to give better evidence than "Martin has led us astray before". beecause, while that is true, it proves nothing. you could as easily say that the Others are actually aliens from the future.

Also, I am not an expert on Norse mythology either, but I think bloodraven better represents Odin. Odin is associated with: War, Battle, Victory, Death, Magic, Wisdom, and the Hunt.

Also, both have one eye, both have an affinity to ravens and both are associated with Trees (Odin and the World Tree)

I've given you plenty of evidence and showed you the holes in the your theory. If you choose to discount it all simply because we sometimes "have to take things at face value", then go ahead. I'm not saying I am specifically right, I'm just saying there is just as much evidence of Ice and Fire vs Men than there is for Ice vs Fire (not sure where Men fit in your theory).

Via the Norse expert, Odin is actually represented by King Aerys. "Although Odin has many roles and epithets, one of them is the Mad God -- as he is associated with fits of madness & rage -- and is usually depicted as an old man with a long white beard, and shaggy white hair. In the earliest incarnations of Norse mythology, Odin wasn't even worshipped as a god. Tyr is equivalent to Indo-European Dyaeus (the god from which Zeus & Jupiter evolved), and was once the primary god of the pantheon, while Odin was probably a real king who only came to be deified and mythologized much later in the history. Because of this, Odin is not present in the earliest tellings of Ragnarök (same story for Thor). So, I believe it is in this capacity that Odin serves in the ASOIAF novels, and is represented by the Mad King Aerys (who was killed by Jaime -- i.e. Tyr -- another clever twist). Aerys, like Odin, is known as the Mad King, and dies before the events of Ragnarök take place." - Dorian the Historian