The Word that Must NOT be Spoken

pretty sure Chaucer used it, although he spelt it slightly differently. Not a word I ever use in life or stories. I would expect to see it used if I were reading a story about drug dens in destitute quarters of big cities. I read a book some years ago about a glue sniffing boy and his escapades, and non of the language "shocked" in that setting as it was a truthful account of how he and his associates spoke.
 
I hate it as a word, would never use it, and would be very cross (in a pointy sword way) if it were used in my presence.

But I've used it in my SFs at least once, because I needed the character to be utterly foul addressing a woman. In my SFs I invented a swear word because I knew a lot of the characters would be effing and blinding all over the place, and I wanted to reserve the f-word for really big annoyances. In my current fantasy I've got one character who f-s all over the place (literally and linguistically, as it happens -- as to the latter I think someone once tried to wash her mouth out with soap, but the soap ended up somewhere unmentionable) but she wouldn't use the c-word.


Kerry, perhaps it's habituation? It's like the word t*at (that's a missing w, not an h) -- it was commonplace when I was growing up, and I thought it was merely a variation of twit, which is how it was largely used. It's only in the last 10 years I discovered what it meant, and was rather shocked to find some people found it shocking.
 
I have to jump on the 'no' wagon, I wouldn't use in writing or life. I hate the word, not anything to do with the connotations I don't think, maybe more so the context it's often used in, but mostly I just hate the word. Anything with that same sound just doesn't sit right with me, it's just a horrid sound I think... But I'm probably strange :whistle: I don't even swear strongly more than once a month or so, if that.

Made sitting through Deadwood a little harder!
 
I think one reason it's so shunned and feared is that it's such a violent-sounding word. It includes the two most explosive consonants, and a bestial "grunt" sound, all in one short syllable. I can't think of another word in English that achieves that. Even if it were the term for a baby squirrel, it would probably still have become a swearword.
 
Can a Parson join in this conversation? ---- I find the "c" word utterly offensive, and don't believe I've heard it spoken since College. Then it was never about anatomy, but rather about "stupid aggressive females," a word to keep those ________'s in their place.

I don't doubt that the word is used commonly in some places, but the mention that it was, left me with my mouth hanging open.

In books I have run across it and like Kerry I find it less offensive, and far less common than the F bomb. People who use words like this always strike me as having too much anger than what is healthy and need to get a life. (At least on first impression, which is often wrong but always important.)
 
so, i was wondering what peoples' thoughts were on using the c-word in their own writing and also what effect it has when they read it in others' stories?

It doesn't have any affect on me, really, but I have a lot of English friends, and those fellas tend to throw that word around like a softball. I'm never offended by things that I read (though I have been disgusted a time or two). I would never use that word in conversation, because it strikes me as a somewhat sexist term and sounds vulgar. I have a potty mouth IRL, though. My best friend describes my speech as a mix of Mr. Spock and Martin Silenus (which is proof that I have some awesome friends). But I don't use that particular word, except perhaps while quoting something. I'm just hedging my bets with that caveat; I can't recall using that word at all. It's a horrible word that never needs to be used.

That said, one of my antagonists uses the C-word on occasion, and I think I used in in a section describing his thoughts, but he's a nasty piece of work. That character is vile on many levels. He would use it, so he does. The guy let loose one particular rant that actually bothered me; it disturbed me that I wrote such a thing. But it is exactly what he would say, and changing it would be a disservice to his character. That's how I write dialogue, really. If the character would say something, then they do, regardless of my own feelings on the matter.

Character integrity is more important to me than anything, and while the characters are created by me, they have long ago taken on lives and personalities of their own. The process of writing dialogue, for me, is more a matter of, "What would Nikki say to this, and how would David respond?" than "Nikki says X, then David says Y."

My universe is near-modern (very close future) alternate world, with a culture and history much like our own, so the characters talk like normal people. Some people (especially youngsters) have potty mouths, other folks never cuss at all. Often people use certain words but not others. So if a character is the kind of person to use the C-word, then he/she will. It would be used sparingly, because I can only take so much filth, but sometimes some people use it.

My personal most-hated word is the N-word. I'm originally from the South, and the KKK exists in my home town. During high school, my girlfriend was a brilliant, beautiful gal who happened to be black; it was not easy, and some people are still rude about it. Needless to say, I have no love for racists. But if a story included a racist jerk, he would probably use the N-word at some point (probably among his friends, because racist scum are usually too cowardly to say such things too openly these days). There are all types of people in the real world, and some folks are simply disgusting; the same holds true for my fiction. However, I can nearly guarantee that any character who used that particular word would meet a grisly end. Being the creator of a universe has its advantages, like being able to clean up the filth from time to time. ;)
 
I think part of it depends on where the reader is from. I'm told we in the UK seem to throw this word around more than people from the US as elsewhere, and though not often, I've used it in certain circumstances (for instance, when angry) and it feels a little dirty when I say it, but I don't get phased when other people do. I couldn't say it in conversation with friends and I definitely don't use it very often.

It's just a word, really, and doesn't do anything for me. I don't see the point of being touchy about it. The only reason I feel uncomfortable saying it is because of the meaning behind it makes it not sound like me when I say it, not because I'm offended by it.
 
I do have to amend my previous statement, because I've just remembered that I have quoted it as part of George Carlin's seven dirty words routine. So I have actually said the word. The f-word, now, I say all the time, and many of the others. And I can't even claim to be a sailor.
 
I think whether/ how much offence it causes does depend to some extent on where you or family and friends are from. I grew up in south London and had always seen it as a mid-level swearword, with f*** being much worse. I remember in sixth form a friend of mine using the c-word in a class with a teacher from Yorkshire and he went ballistic. The entire class were stunned as this particular teacher had always been quite relaxed about people swearing occasionally in class.

I'm not personally offended by swearing of any description in real life or in literature - a malicious non-swearing insult can be far more offensive in context then any swearword in my view - but I'd hesitate to use it in my writing unless it was really necessary just because I'm aware that a lot of readers would find it offensive.
 
For many years I never said the F-word, then within a day of my starting my current job, I had said it a dozen times over, just because one of my work colleagues could just so easily get under my skin and get me worked up. Fortunately for my sanity and clean police record, he left years ago.

I have to admit I used C-word a few times over the years but never use it now, but a couple of work colleagues use it all the time.

Here's another for you, for a couple weeks this year we had a temp and he used the phase 'you mother's gash' a lot, something I had never heard before and contemplating giving that phase to one of my characters, a soldier, almost as a catchphrase. Would anybody be offended or upset by this?
 
Kerry, perhaps it's habituation? It's like the word t*at (that's a missing w, not an h) -- it was commonplace when I was growing up, and I thought it was merely a variation of twit, which is how it was largely used.

It's not a word I hear commonly used - I hear the F-word far more frequently, which definitely makes my ears burn, but the C-word hardly ever. I grew up in Yorkshire but have lived all over the UK, North, South, and in the Debatable Lands. It must be the superior company I keep, or my sheltered life. :rolleyes:

On occasion I can (and do) swear like a trooper when angry or in pain, but rarely in cold blood. My father, ex army, was too frightened of my tiny Mum to swear in front of me, but when she was out of earshot, and I was being a brat, he treated me to some really interesting vocabulary classes. I like to think I've always been a willing pupil. :whistle:

As for the T-word (have we worked our way through the alphabet yet?), my experience matches yours exactly I'd been using it for years before discovering what it meant.
 
I've not used it (partly because I imagine my dad reading my stuff and would be sent into the garden to choose the stick he'd beat me with) but I can't say I wouldn't.

The point is, it has to have context. Part of its strength is because so many people feel it's the ultimate offensive word that it is used, and to saturate your dialogue with it would diminish its violence in one book.

But it's also important to remember that it's not necessarily the go-to word for anger. It has a political element, too (no, I'm not referring to Donald Trump), that can make its use far more warranted, and effective:

I think one reason it's so shunned and feared is that it's such a violent-sounding word. It includes the two most explosive consonants, and a bestial "grunt" sound, all in one short syllable. I can't think of another word in English that achieves that. Even if it were the term for a baby squirrel, it would probably still have become a swearword.

As well as its sound, the word is a cypher for misogyny, as are most euphemisms for female genitals. The word strips a woman of power and dignity by a) distilling and defining her entire gender to her sexual organs, effectively reducing her to a side dish for men; and b) making something natural to women an insult, the lowest of the low, and loathsome.

So, couple that with what HB said and you have a pretty potent curse cocktail.

<thinks> I wonder if writers who use it like confetti always have lots of rape scenes, too.

pH
 
no, not the name of a certain scottish play, but rather that last bastion of swearwords that when used in movies, TV shows and books, is still done with a childish snigger and nervous glance at the censors. you know the one: starts with c, refers to certain female body parts.

i know there was a thread a while back on swearwords in general but am interested to know thoughts about this one in particular. i have no particular problem with using swearwords in my WIP's (at least in the adult ones) as my characters would naturally use them. but, i have not used the c-word at all, even though some of my characters certainly would in real-life. to me, it's still a taboo word and a pretty horrible one that someone would have to have a damned good reason to put in a book. in fact, i have just finished reading a certain well known epic fantasy series (ahem recently made into an HBO series) and amongst other issues i have with the writing, i find the author throws the c-word in whenever he seems to think the reader might be getting bored or need a bit of a shock. several times it's been said by characters who would (in my mind) never realistically say the word and it turns me off the books a bit. in fact, on a couple of occasions he used it in narration as well, when it wasn't even character thoughts.

so, i was wondering what peoples' thoughts were on using the c-word in their own writing and also what effect it has when they read it in others' stories?
In my second, (or third, in progress) a scumbag bad guy starts to use it, only to be reminded from his partner not to. The word is never finished, but the intent is there. It is used only once to show this guy as a real sex starved club carrying neanderthal thug. I don't know if it will work in it's context yet.
 
i dont get it. Just because I won't use it doesn't mean my character would not.

I don't like rape at all, but if a group of bandits rob a woman in a lawless world, they will try/consider/attempt it or it would break immersion. Same with the use of swear words for the kind of people who would use it.

The only issue is, its harder to deliver in written form rather than movies, because you can have a posh english aristocrat mix in swear words and still come across as refined, even the C word.
 
Personally, I find it utterly bizarre that we would quite happily read or watch stories regarding death, destruction of worlds, the demise of millions, the fall of empires, rape, murder and generally downright villainy. But....oh my god....that bad man said the C word!:eek:

Reminds me of Kurtz in Apocalypse Now complaining that it was OK to bomb the Vietnamese but wrong top write F*** on the planes.
 
i dont get it. Just because I won't use it doesn't mean my character would not.

There are times when thing like this go against immersion though. I'm reminded of Scott Lynch and how very strange and unnatural I found with when Locke (or someone else maybe) yelled at someone, calling them a 'motherf***er'. Such a seeming modern word completely destroyed any immersion I had at that point. Not that all swear words are the same/modern, just certain instances.
 
I don't use it because there are perfectly adequate other curse words I use all the time, so I don't need to. If it was the only swear word to show something, I'd use it, but it isn't, I don't like it, so why use it?
 
In my second, (or third, in progress) a scumbag bad guy starts to use it, only to be reminded from his partner not to. The word is never finished, but the intent is there. It is used only once to show this guy as a real sex starved club carrying neanderthal thug. I don't know if it will work in it's context yet.

That's kinda my point though; why should the go-to word be that word? If he's that reprehensible, perhaps you could think up of some far more colourful curses or actions ;)

i dont get it. Just because I won't use it doesn't mean my character would not.

I don't like rape at all, but if a group of bandits rob a woman in a lawless world, they will try/consider/attempt it or it would break immersion. Same with the use of swear words for the kind of people who would use it.

I didn't mean to seriously correlate use of that word with the use of rape in a writer's work - it was a tongue in cheek - albeit aloof-ly :D My point is that a lot of men think that word, or rape are the pinnacle of offense or to show a character is 'really bad'. My thinking on it is that there are far more effective, and damaging, ways to get emotional content into your work without using such methods. For example, I would rather be raped that lose my kids. To me, if the word is used without presumption or assumption then I'm not flustered (apart from which I have an incredibly vile potty mouth, myself*). I think the question should not be 'would Character A say this?' but 'Why would character A say this as opposed to saying/doing xyz?'

*I was summarily dismissed from an office job in 2004 for calling the male MD a 'racist c***', so I'm no stranger to the word an it's impact. When I went to get legal advice (because the MD was, in fact a racist), I was advised they were firing me on grounds of sexual harassment, due to the connotations of the word!!! The implementation of the word in your novel should be seriously contemplated. And moreover, if you can ask yourself do I have to use this word, and answer not necessarily, then why use it? For reaction, that's why.

As authentic writers, we really, really have to be tough with ourselves and honest. If you're going for sensationalist reaction, then... sorry... you're in denial.

pH
 

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