Who is Alain?

I said that I was part way through book three. That was a freaking lie. I have just started book two. Typo or lie? Who knows??? :)
 
Your bad Lacey... Good thing I didn't say much! I had a whole thing typed out and thought about which book I was quoting and decided to be vague... thank heavens... would hate to ruin it for you... :p


What am I saying... I should tell you everything.. ;)
 
Solely based on looks, I think Alain is Henri's son. In "The Gathering Storm," Stronghand sees Henri and mistakes him for Alain, at first. He had never seen Henri before, and could in no way make that association unless there is a strong resemblance between the two.

As for what Alain wants in life- no, he doesn't want to be skopos or anything that would put him in a position of power. But he has no choice. As you've said, Earos (sp?), he's being bounced around all over the place. I think Alain will end up in a place of power, but he'll weild that power differently from all others, not to control people, but to spread good.
 
I agree about him ending up in a position of power.. I feel bad for him about it too... but sometimes a person has to do what they dont want to, just to make sure it is done correctly...

There is little physical resemblance between alain and henri... read chapter 1 of the first book... When Alain and henri are described they are described as having little to no resemblance whatsoever... Alain being tall and lanky and henri being short and stocky... As to how stronghand could have been mistaken... I still haven't figured that out yet... I am thinking Stronghand senses a resemblance more then sees one... The first chapter of book one is the only reason I dont assume Henri is Alain's real father...


I am sorry to the people that haven't read the entire series yet... I have been spilling the beans left and right... Someone should have slapped me for posting so many spoilers... but then again I tend to be vague anyway, so I guess it wasn't that bad... I will try to keep in mind that many of you have not finished the series yet... again, I am sorry if I ruined anything for anybody...
 
I am thinking Stronghand senses a resemblance more then sees one...
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Isn't it true that Stronghand often sees what Alain does when Alain is awake... just like Alain sees Stronghand when Alain sleeps? It's how Stronghand becomes aware of intelligence and wisdom, is through Alain's eyes. Couldn't Stronghand have seen Henri the one time that Alain saw him while connected with Stronghand just merely remembers Henri from that one instance? This could easily explain why Stronghand saw a resemblance, it could merely be him remembering that Alain was his foster father...
It's a theory...

And Earos...
This discussion is for those of us who are interested in who Alain is. I don't think we are ruining anything for someone who hasn't read all of the books. I actually believe they will be totally lost on what we are talking about and when they reach a point that we have discussed then they will take note of it. They won't be like me and have to reread the series to pick up on all that they missed the first time. When I first read the series, I actually believed that by book 4 we would know who Alain was. Much to my dismay (Yes Kate-dismay ;) ) I didn't know at the end of book 5.
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yeah, I got into the habit of putting
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I should come with a warning label... I can have people tell me every part of a movie before I see it and the movie isn't spoiled for me... the same with books... vid games... just about everything... I guess it's because my mind works a little differently then most people I have met... who knows..

You guys see... Alia is to blame for my ramblings! see! I told you all! it's her fault! LOL

back on topic...
I think your on to something with that alia, but what if the bond is deeper... What if Stronghand has taken some of Alain into himself by sharing the blood... Remeber Aoi magic is based on blood magic and there is power in blood... What if Alain took some of stronghand... I will definately have to reread to see if I can find anything that shows a change in Alain shortly after the blood thing... it is probably very subtle and I overlooked it...

What did you think about the Anne being Alain's mother post I posted on the other forums? that would fit... scary if I think about it...he he
 
You guys see... Alia is to blame for my ramblings! see! I told you all! it's her fault! LOL
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It is not my fault... you have a talent... need I say more... ;)

As far as Anne being Alain's mother, I think not... don't be daft man!
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Anne was pure, never had sex, and that was her prize claim with Benard. She was able to make the fire diamone look like her so that it was like she was married to him, but not... strange, but yeah... strange. Anyways, she didn't have sex and she bore no child.
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My quote from the other forum...
I disagree with Anne having a child of any kind. :) Besides that Liath could make fire, where Alain can't.
 
This is probably far-fetched, but... what else could I possibly do at work than throw random, highly questionable theories out for y'all to read?

Okay, so according to Henri, Alain's mother is named Rose. The symbol for the Lady of Battles is a rose. Alain has a rose-shaped mark on his cheek, and I'm sure we all remember the remarkable flower that was left to him by the Lady. Could it be possible that Alain's mother was the Lady of Battles, or God in the form of the Lady of Battles/Rose?

Yeah, from left field, I know. :p
 
I actually threw that one out once... Didn't fly to far... Here's why:
First of all, the rose was a symbol of the blessed Daisan, not the Lady of Battles (PofD page 145-6 PB) "His heart was cut out of him and where his hearts blood fell and touched the soil, thre bloomed roses."
I wonder if the token left for Alain wasn't the rose, but the touch of the Lady's sword...

Secondly, The Lady of Battles is the patron saint of chaste and barren women... it just doesn't fit.


As I was looking through my notes about the rose I found something I will throw out there for you guys to tear up:

Old Gods.
What if Alain is a product of one of the Old Gods, I don't care at this point which parent, although Henri does know. Here's why I think this:
1)"But that did not mean the old spirits had ceased to live in the world. They had only gone into hiding. The old spirits - like that boy who had held the reins of the biscop's while mule and stared at her so strangely. He had an odd, fey look about him." Hanna's description of Alain in Kings Dragon pg 545 PB
2) His affinity with animals.
3) His ability to set people at ease and connect with them, except for that whacked out Tallia (and even then he was able to get her to calm down a little)

I think I can name more... but I'm going to stop there and see what you guys think of that. It's a theory I haven't toyed with yet... funny I have thrown everything else out there. lol
 
Alia said:
I actually threw that one out once... Didn't fly to far... Here's why:
First of all, the rose was a symbol of the blessed Daisan, not the Lady of Battles (PofD page 145-6 PB) "His heart was cut out of him and where his hearts blood fell and touched the soil, thre bloomed roses."
I wonder if the token left for Alain wasn't the rose, but the touch of the Lady's sword...

Secondly, The Lady of Battles is the patron saint of chaste and barren women... it just doesn't fit.
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Hmmm... well, what if Alain is the Daisan reborn? And who's to say that Rose was really not a chaste woman? What if there really was an immaculate conception, and she was labeled as a whore because she was pregnant out of wedlock? The Henri, who was in love with her, ended up taking Alain, knowing fully what he was. I know it borders Christianity a lot, but... could work.:eek:
 
Just continue to discuss without me. I will remember this disclusion when I have read all five books and you are still making silly theories. :)
 
Are you at all implying you have even the slightest idea of who Alain is? If so, then post it man... don't make me come to the UK and slap it out of you...:D

You can join the discussion anytime you would like Lacey... FINISH READING THE BOOKS SO YOU CAN!!!!!!!! :p

I would love to hear your imput! ;)
 
I was thinking about the reborn thing as well... I mean if the Aoi create Sanglant and the Sleepers create Liath why wouldnt the Lord and Lady create Alain.... or maybe it was the spirits that created him...

I would prefer him to be all natural and he be just what he is... a man... but what if he is of divine origin... I dont believe it to be true, but it is a possibility...
 
Rose was said to have gone up into the ruins often. I'm wondering who built them, not the Aoi for sure. And I don't think the humans did either. So what if it was a God or the Old Spirits? And it is actually Their place of dwelling and Rose got caught up into something up there and Henri happen to be with her. Maybe it is their child and the baby was blessed at conception by the old spirits. Henri would know this, and so would Rose... Just thoughts...
 
then why would henri put him into a church that has turned it's back to the ancient spirits... I would disagree with you on this one Alia...

grrr... c'mon ms. Elliot give me the next book or the missing piece! please? he he
 
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I thought the idea had some merit...
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he he, all ideas have merit.... Here would be an explaination....

Henri is in love with a woman named Rose, She is a dreamer type and spends alot of time at the ruins. One day she comes back from the ruins pregnant. Henri doesn't know what to think and pushes her away. She has her child somewhere else, but dies in childbirth. News reaches Henri and he is so distraught he goes and picks Alain up and fosters him. He promises Alain to the church at that time because he doesn't know what else he could do for the boy.

Henri feels guilty for pushing his love away and feels somewhat responsible for her death. Henri loves Alain as an extension of his lost love. He also held some resentment towards him. After seeing what they did to Alain (the cart) he lets go of his resentment and sees Alain with open eyes for the first time.

In the next book, I expect a lengthy discussion between Alain and Henri...
 
This story has just became crazy, throwing all kinds of possibilities into the hat. Also I am trying desperately to peice together the historical accounts but am failing. Does anybody actually know the bloodlines of all of the nobility. I aint got a clue.
 
Lacey at the beginning of book 3, 4 & 5 there is a small pedigree. There is a more detail one, I believe on Kate's Website. Let me know if the small pedigree helps, if not then I'll find the other and post it.
 
A thoery -

Alain is the son of Radegundis and Tallifer. This would explain the Lady of Battles connection. Alain has been born 100 hundred years into the future. Also this would explaint the Lavas Hounds issue - as Lavastine was descended from Tallifer through one of his daughters. There is some time travel involved. Alain is most certainly a 'saviour' - a new Daisan.
 
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