Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018)

[Onyx]

There are a lot of long standing questions in this film answered. You just need to search online for "things you missed from solo". For instance, why the Kessel Run record is measured in distance rather than time.

It is unclear to me when this is set exactly. The age of the main characters would suggest it was very close to Rogue One/A New Hope, but then the Sith Lord that appeared at the end would surely suggest a much earlier date? I've found online that the Sith Lord was exactly who he looked to be, but I'm still left confused. Any answers should probably be in spoiler tags.

This sort of Easter Egg planting drives me nuts. The endless need to "reveal" to fans every damn loose end they could possibly milk into a story line just makes the overall universe feel tiny and inconsequential.

Did they feel the need to explain Harrison Ford's chin scar like they did in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, or are they keeping that for the sequel?

I'm waiting for Luke Skywalker: The Vaporator Years. The film will explain where blue milk comes from, the real importance of binary language, the hideous threat Womp Rats held for the Beggar's Canyon Reclamation Project and why Uncle Owen's unnatural love of droids caused him to need to purchase two new ones from the Jawas.

 

[night_wrtr]

This sort of Easter Egg planting drives me nuts. The endless need to "reveal" to fans every damn loose end they could possibly milk into a story line just makes the overall universe feel tiny and inconsequential.

I see it differently for these kinds of things. I liked this movie a lot because of so many references and characters that tied in other stories, like tv shows and books, etc. Like I could tell you that the dish offered to one of the characters is a filet from the deep sea monster that you see in Phantom Menace that nearly ate Jar Jar binks and company. Meaningless, but entertaining to me at least.

 

[Rodders]

I enjoyed Solo, but I would like Lucasfilm to move away from the whole Solo, Skywalker story. It should've died with Vader.

 

[BAYLOR]

I enjoyed Solo, but I would like Lucasfilm to move away from the whole Solo, Skywalker story. It should've died with Vader.

Id like to see Knights of the Old Republic .

 

[Onyx]

I see it differently for these kinds of things. I liked this movie a lot because of so many references and characters that tied in other stories, like tv shows and books, etc. Like I could tell you that the dish offered to one of the characters is a filet from the deep sea monster that you see in Phantom Menace that nearly ate Jar Jar binks and company. Meaningless, but entertaining to me at least.

It's probably hard to enjoy the original Star Wars where everything is new and there are no references.

 

[night_wrtr]

It's probably hard to enjoy the original Star Wars where everything is new and there are no references.

Not really. There are plenty in the originals, we just didn't know what any of it meant at the time. For someone that has never seen a Star Wars movie, maybe it is the sense of wonder that grabs them, along with the good vs evil and destiny aspects. Then the more movies they watch, the more they realize things overlap and start to relate back to a throwaway line from A New Hope, a character that shows up in Rogue One, or that it was Qui-Gon that discovered how to be a force ghost.

Things like that can be seen as "fan-service" but I see it more like deeper connections that brings it all together. I'm looking forward to new films that are outside of the Skywalker saga, but the main 9 films are supposed to feel connected and familiar, so the constant references and easter eggs don't make it a smaller universe imo. It gives it depth.

Solo is a direct branch that ties into the saga films, so it shouldn't be used to break new ground, but instead to enhance whats already there. All my opinion of course!

 

[Onyx]

Not really. There are plenty in the originals, we just didn't know what any of it meant at the time. For someone that has never seen a Star Wars movie, maybe it is the sense of wonder that grabs them, along with the good vs evil and destiny aspects. Then the more movies they watch, the more they realize things overlap and start to relate back to a throwaway line from A New Hope, a character that shows up in Rogue One, or that it was Qui-Gon that discovered how to be a force ghost.

Things like that can be seen as "fan-service" but I see it more like deeper connections that brings it all together. I'm looking forward to new films that are outside of the Skywalker saga, but the main 9 films are supposed to feel connected and familiar, so the constant references and easter eggs don't make it a smaller universe imo. It gives it depth.

Solo is a direct branch that ties into the saga films, so it shouldn't be used to break new ground, but instead to enhance whats already there. All my opinion of course!

I guess I'm thinking of Star Trek Next Generation which managed to be in the same universe without constantly referencing old characters. They were there occassionally, but not constantly. Instead, the show and movies mostly found wonder in new characters and situations.


The problem with the fan service stuff is that it has gotten so thick that the films are disagreeing with each other. It sounds like Han Solo has a run in with a powerful Sith 10 years before he proclaims to Luke that the Force is a "Hokey religion" and lightsabers are "ancient weapons". What are we betting he has a serious run-in with said religion and ancient weapons that completely belies his later attitude? Just like Leia remembering her mother, the more they write and re-write these films to integrate more closely, the more of a mess they become.

Did Boba Fett show up yet?

 

[BAYLOR]

I guess I'm thinking of Star Trek Next Generation which managed to be in the same universe without constantly referencing old characters. They were there occassionally, but not constantly. Instead, the show and movies mostly found wonder in new characters and situations.


The problem with the fan service stuff is that it has gotten so thick that the films are disagreeing with each other. It sounds like Han Solo has a run in with a powerful Sith 10 years before he proclaims to Luke that the Force is a "Hokey religion" and lightsabers are "ancient weapons". What are we betting he has a serious run-in with said religion and ancient weapons that completely belies his later attitude? Just like Leia remembering her mother, the more they write and re-write these films to integrate more closely, the more of a mess they become.

Did Boba Fett show up yet?

Have you seen the film yet?

 

[Onyx]

Have you seen the film yet?

No. And I'm seriously thinking of never seeing it. Every new film I've seen since the originals has made the overall story shabbier. The plots are worse, the characters more comical. Star Wars and Empire truly broke new story-telling ground, and even with that reality to work with, film makers haven't been able to even recapture the gravity of those films. The films since have almost been spoofs of fan fiction.

 

[BAYLOR]

No. And I'm seriously thinking of never seeing it. Every new film I've seen since the originals has made the overall story shabbier. The plots are worse, the characters more comical. Star Wars and Empire truly broke new story-telling ground, and even with that reality to work with, film makers haven't been able to even recapture the gravity of those films. The films since have almost been spoofs of fan fiction.

I wish I could forget the prequels Lucas directed.

 

[Culhwch]

Surprises:

Spoiler

I thought the very best part of the movie was the appearance of Jyn and her freedom fighters. I didn't see that coming at all. The other shock was the stith Lord's appearance at the end of the movie.

Spoiler

I'm confused. That wasn't Jyn Erso. I don't think that character has had any other appearance in the story so far - not yet anyway.

 

[Onyx]

Spoiler

I'm confused. That wasn't Jyn Erso. I don't think that character has had any other appearance in the story so far - not yet anyway.

Wouldn't that character be a small child 10 years before Rogue/Star Wars. Rogue One ends hours before Star Wars.

 

[BAYLOR]

George Lucas didn't expect Star Wars to become the runaway success that it did.

 

[night_wrtr]

No. And I'm seriously thinking of never seeing it. Every new film I've seen since the originals has made the overall story shabbier. The plots are worse, the characters more comical. Star Wars and Empire truly broke new story-telling ground, and even with that reality to work with, film makers haven't been able to even recapture the gravity of those films. The films since have almost been spoofs of fan fiction.

Dont forget Empire did a retcon on New Hope. The first saying Vader killed Luke’s father, then he was Luke’s father. Such a big issue at he time that they had to write it into the movie with Luke calling Obiwan out.

“What I said was true, from a certain point of view.”

I guess it depends on how much you're willing to let go or just accept as the story progresses.

 

[BAYLOR]

Dont forget Empire did a retcon on New Hope. The first saying Vader killed Luke’s father, then he was Luke’s father. Such a big issue at he time that they had to write it into the movie with Luke calling Obiwan out.

“What I said was true, from a certain point of view.”

I guess it depends on how much you're willing to let go or just accept as the story progresses.

They did a graphic novel adaptation of his original treatment Star Wars and it was completely different from the film we got.

 

[Onyx]

Dont forget Empire did a retcon on New Hope. The first saying Vader killed Luke’s father, then he was Luke’s father. Such a big issue at he time that they had to write it into the movie with Luke calling Obiwan out.

“What I said was true, from a certain point of view.”

I guess it depends on how much you're willing to let go or just accept as the story progresses.

I'm happy to let go, for a pay off. Empire was an even better film than Star Wars, and "bending" Ben's assertion about Vader into a metaphorical statement gave moviegoers that most shocking twist in cinema, right up there with Keyser Söze, Norman Bates' mother and the Sixth Sense.

Everything that has been presented since has not benefited from a single ret-con. Padme's death is uninteresting - the change did nothing to increase the drama or surprise.

 

[BAYLOR]

I'm happy to let go, for a pay off. Empire was an even better film than Star Wars, and "bending" Ben's assertion about Vader into a metaphorical statement gave moviegoers that most shocking twist in cinema, right up there with Keyser Söze, Norman Bates mother and the Sixth Sense.

Everything that has been presented since has not benefited from a single ret-con. Padme's death is uninteresting - the change did nothing to increase the drama or surprise.

He should have let someone else do the prequels.

 

[Onyx]

They did a graphic novel adaptation of his original treatment Star Wars and it was completely different from the film we got.

Because Lucas re-wrote his first draft into something tidier.

Lucas is a good director, but many good directors end up with films later in their careers that lack the edge of earlier works.

 

[BAYLOR]

Because Lucas re-wrote his first draft into something tidier.

Lucas is a good director, but many good directors end up with films later in their careers that lack the edge of earlier works.

He stopped directing films after Star Wars . He was rusty and it showed. Had he continued directing , The prequels might have turned out better then they did.

 

[BAYLOR]

I'm happy to let go, for a pay off. Empire was an even better film than Star Wars, and "bending" Ben's assertion about Vader into a metaphorical statement gave moviegoers that most shocking twist in cinema, right up there with Keyser Söze, Norman Bates' mother and the Sixth Sense.

Everything that has been presented since has not benefited from a single ret-con. Padme's death is uninteresting - the change did nothing to increase the drama or surprise.

I know Im quoting you again but the reason The Empre Strikes back was better primarily. because it had an excellent director in Irvin Kershener who was better then Lucas. Also it benefited from an excellent screen play written by Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan.