Villeneuve's Dune: Part One (2019)

[BAYLOR]

A Dune Messiah movie would at least complete (sort of) the Paul Arteides arc. (He does appear in Children of Dune, but that book is the start of Leto's arc, and he's more of a secondary character in that book.)

Messiah is really Paul's fall and what he does to ensure that his son, Leto, becomes the God Emperor. It's also his failure to handle what needs to be done for the fuure as well... although again we only really find out with Children and God Emperor why this is the case. Essentially he gives the job to Leto. Bad parent.

Paul had no good choices in front of him and knew it.

 

[Venusian Broon]

Paul had no good choices in front of him and knew it.

Perhaps. However, he knew there was one "good" choice - as he had the full power of prescience (basicallly the path taken by Leto in God Emperor) - which was the only way that humanity would survive in the long-term. However he did not have the courage to take it himself.

 

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For Dune Part 1 writer-director Denis Villeneuve, it’s great news too, but unlike the fans he has a bigger issue: actually making the movie in time.

“It’s fantastic news, but it’s also kind of a burden,” the director told the Hollywood Reporter. “The good news is that a lot of the work has been done already regarding design, casting, locations and writing. So we’re not starting from scratch. It’s not a long period of time, but I will try to face that challenge because it’s important for me that the audience sees Part Two as soon as possible. It’s not a sequel where it’s another episode or another story with the same characters. It actually has direct continuity to the first movie. It’s the second part of the big huge movie that I’m trying to do. So the sooner the better.”

In the same interview, Villeneuve admits production probably wouldn’t start until fall of 2022 (“Even that would be fast,” he said)—leaving only a year for both production and post-production. It’s not impossible, of course, but it’s not the easiest thing either with a film of that size. Thankfully, Villeneuve said he feels reenergized thanks to the positive reactions the film has been getting. “To know that people are enjoying the movie and that the movie has created enthusiasm, it does give me the necessary energy to do Part Two,” he said. “Even from a very egocentric point of view, that joy gives me energy. That’s what I will say. If it was the opposite and nobody had shown up to the theater, I don’t know where I would find the necessary stamina to face the challenge of Part Two.”

And, as we’d previously reported, that energy could even carry over to the next book in Frank Herbert’s Dune series, Dune Messiah. “If things go well with Part Two, I could foresee the idea of maybe doing a third movie, Dune Messiah. That would make sense to me,” the director said. “After that, to answer your question, I think that I will make some other movies; let’s call them big movies regarding their ambition and scope. And later on, when I’m too tired to do that, I will go back to some smaller projects. [Laughs.] But for now, I have the energy to do this.”

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Does it mean he doesn't have a script ready?

 

[Elckerlyc]

Does it mean he doesn't have a script ready?

I think it means Villeneuve has a busy schedule (among which "Dune: The Sisterhood"), which doesn't allow him to start any sooner with Part 2.
The script is already written AFAIK.

 

[Mon0Zer0]

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The representatives of the guild were the guys with the orange cloud of melange in the bubble helmets behind the Imperial herald. When the camera was close enough you could see a human face inside. They are in the blur at the back of this photo I found t'internet

However, I'm sure they are not a 'full' Navigator, but one on the journey to perhaps become one, as Villeneuve presents a lot of the visuals very much more in-line with the book description. A real guild navigator would be an extremely distorted human.

Concept art of the early stage navigators here:

Spoiler: Early Stage Navigators

 

[Toby Frost]

Of course, the one thing that Villeneuve's Dune lacks is a proliferation of weird, tiny dogs.

I have no idea why House Atreides is overrun with pugs, but there are a lot of them.

All hail Muad'dog!

 

[HareBrain]

I have no idea why House Atreides is overrun with pugs

Given their inexplicable popularity with celebs now, I'd say it's weirdly prophetic. In 20,000 years (or whatever) time they'll be the only breed left.

 

[Stephen Palmer]

I also miss Lynch's navigators. That early scene in his film is stunning.

 

[Stephen Palmer]

Regarding the Fremen scene at the end, I noticed the rider, but it looked a bit out of scale. Not sure why. For me, the only no-no was bagpipes.

 

[Toby Frost]

I also miss Lynch's navigators. That early scene in his film is stunning.

True. I worry that the new version is going to miss those opportunities.

Bagpipes are always a no-no for me.

 

[BAYLOR]

Of course, the one thing that Villeneuve's Dune lacks is a proliferation of weird, tiny dogs.

I have no idea why House Atreides is overrun with pugs, but there are a lot of them.

All hail Muad'dog!

It was later revealed that those Pugs were actually Harkonnen deep cover spies trained by Ted Salad , super spy, master of disguise and arch nemesis of Mr Neutron . The Duke's pug was both ring leader and Dr Yueh's handler.

 

[Foxbat]

Mark Kermode says he likes it and I find that I tend to like what he does so I live in hope. I probably won’t get a chance to see this at the cinema so I’ll just have to wait for the DVD release.

As for the look of navigators (and others within that guild) we should remember that when we say ‘navigator’ most of us are almost always talking about a third-stage navigator. Stages one and two I presume being a less distorted human.

And as for bagpipes….what’s the problem? You’ve never truly experienced them until you’ve gone for a whizz in a tiny pub toilet and found two pipers using the place to tune up. It’s not as if I could say anything, I knew them both to be off-duty coppers.

I’m sure that’s why I have tinnitus now.

 

[Venusian Broon]

Mark Kermode says he likes it and I find that I tend to like what he does so I live in hope. I probably won’t get a chance to see this at the cinema so I’ll just have to wait for the DVD release.

As for the look of navigators (and others within that guild) we should remember that when we say ‘navigator’ most of us are almost always talking about a third-stage navigator. Stages one and two I presume being a less distorted human.

And as for bagpipes….what’s the problem? You’ve never truly experienced them until you’ve gone for a whizz in a tiny pub toilet and found two pipers using the place to tune up. It’s not as if I could say anything, I knew them both to be off-duty coppers.

I’m sure that’s why I have tinnitus now.

It's a pity you can't get out to the cinema Foxbat. I saw it on an IMAX screen and it was spectacular and so immersive. When you first see a sandworm in the wild in the film, the cinema was essentially physically shaking because of the sound. To recreate that with a home setup, you will get complaints and the police making a visit.

 

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Arrakis presents a fantastic setting for a sprawling sci-fi adventure, and Herbert’s depiction of a desert planet was not too far off the mark, as a group of scientists recently demonstrated. The team, having an expertise in climate modeling, wanted to know how a planet like Arrakis might actually function and whether humans could really live there, so they ran a simulation to find out. The resulting model, for the most part, met expectations, as the researchers write in The Conversation. True to Herbert’s vision, “Arrakis itself would indeed be habitable, albeit inhospitable,” the scientists wrote.

In an email, Alex Farnsworth, a meteorologist at the University of Bristol and a contributor to the project, said he was most surprised by how accurate Herbert was in “envisioning a desert world without having a physics background or a supercomputer to run any sort of calculations on,” adding that Herbert “must have done a huge amount of research into the various Earth system components to understand how such a world could work.”

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[Ursa major]

And as for bagpipes….what’s the problem?

I thought this was obvious: they literally keep droning on... and on ...and on....

 

[Toby Frost]

I would happily swap bagpipes for pugs. Maybe the two versions will collide somehow and we'll see a swarm of pugs take down the weird latex spider monster that the baron owns in the new version.

 

[Elckerlyc]

I suspect the bagpipes are a secret weapon, to baffle even Sardaukar.

 

[Foxbat]

I prefer the Irish pipes, mainly because they have one less drone and are not as overpowering.

Is there a baliset in the movie? I’ve often thought the description strongly resembled a lute (or given the obvious middle eastern influence perhaps an oud).

 

[Elckerlyc]

I prefer the Irish pipes, mainly because they have one less drone and are not as overpowering.

Is there a baliset in the movie? I’ve often thought the description strongly resembled a lute (or given the obvious middle eastern influence perhaps an oud).

I don't recall seeing a baliset. And certainly didn't hear Gurney Halleck sing.
At some point, when not being in the mood for lessons in fighting, Paul says "Why don't play a song in stead?"

This is how the baliset was seen in the Syfy series

 

[Mon0Zer0]

I also miss Lynch's navigators. That early scene in his film is stunning.

iirc the third stage navigators were a lynchian invention for the film. Herbert loved them and subsequently incorporated them into Chapterhouse: Dune.