Foundation on Apple TV

In the interest, again, of avoiding spoilers, we’ll use Apple TV+’s official character descriptions for these new faces that’ll be important in season two:
Brother Constant (Isabella Laughland): “A cheerfully confident cleric whose job is to evangelize the Church of the Galactic Spirit across the Outer Reach. Constant is a true believer, whose courage and passion make her hard not to love.”
Poly Verisof (Kulvinger Ghir): “High Claric of the Church of the Galactic Spirit. Whip-smart and sardonic, he’s also a terrible drunk — intelligent enough to see the path he’s on, but too cynical to change.”
Enjoiner Rue (Sandra Yi Sencindiver): “The beautiful, politically savvy consigliere to Queen Sareth. A former courtesan to Cleon the 16th, Rue parlayed her status to become a royal counsellor.”
Queen Sareth of Cloud Dominion (Ella-Rae Smith): “Used to being underestimated, Sareth employs it to her advantage, charming her way into the Imperial Palace with biting wit, all while on a secret quest for revenge.”
Hober Mallow (Dimitri Leonidas): “A master trader with a sarcastic personality and questionable morals, who is summoned against his will to serve a higher, selfless cause.”
Bel Roise (Ben Daniels): “The last great general of the Superliminal Fleet and would-be conqueror of the Foundation. Bel is noble to a fault, but his fealty to the Galactic Empire is waning.”
The Warlord of Kalgan (Mikael Persbrandt): “A monster of a man, coiled with muscle and possessing powerful psychic abilities, and fueled by hate in his quest to take over the galaxy.”
Tellem Bond (Rachel House): “Mysterious leader of the Mentalics.”
Yanna Seldon (Nimrat Kaur): No official description for her, but the name gives away her connection to Hari.

The Warlord of Kalgan. That was definitely coming, as he's an important person for the Foundation story. But at the same time psychics is also a step towards the magic.
 
I wonder what Asimov would have thought of this show?
I think that would depend on when you were to ask him. If before his 20+ year hiatus from writing science fiction, I believe he would have been disappointed. After, when he resumed, I don't think he would have cared anymore; his books then seem like he was not that involved in his writing.
 
io9: Asimov’s Three Laws of Robotics didn’t really get addressed in season one but are explicitly brought to the forefront in season two, especially through Demerzel, a character we get to know a lot better this season. How do you see her specifically fitting into those Three Laws, and how does Foundation subvert them in its own way?

Goyer:
I know fans of Asimov’s work were wondering how Demerzel’s actions could be possible if she/it were beholden to the Three Laws of Robotics, or whether or not the Three Laws even existed within our show. Retroactively, Asimov made the Three Laws and robots exist within Foundation, and the Demerzel character was a character that wore many faces and had many names over the course of his various interconnected series. I’ve said in a few interviews that yes, the Three Laws do exist within Foundation the series, and that we will start to unpack those and explain to the audience why Demerzel as a whole is allowed to do the things she’s doing, even though she might appear to be beholden to those laws. If we continue the show, we’ll dig into that even further.

I told [Demerzel actor] Laura Birn when she joined the show that her character was a slow burn—we don’t get into her interior life that much in season one. And then slowly, we peel back the layers, and we get into her interior life a lot at the end of season two, in a way that I think is really effective. That’s just a storytelling tool that I find effective sometimes: to keep some characters, to keep their interior lives close to their chests and then reveal those moments later on to earn them. That was very deliberate in the case of Demerzel.

io9: Do you see a parallel between her influence on Empire and the way AI is influencing the world we live in now?

Goyer:
Yeah, 100%. There are good ways that AI is influencing us, and there are bad ways that AI is influencing us. And the question, I guess, for Demerzel is because she/it is not a human being—can we trust Demerzel’s motivies for Empire? Or can we trust Demerzel’s motives for humanity at large? That’s one of the things that, if the show continues forward, we’ll continue to be exploring.

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What's the Foundation TV series like in tone, then? I think I read a complaint before that it was trying to be like Game of thrones, so presumably gratuitous sex and violence? Or did I misunderstand the comment?
 
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What's the Foundation TV series like in tone, then? I think I read a complaint before that it was trying to be like Game of thrones, so presumably gratuitous sex and violence? Or did I misunderstand the comment?
No sex. Some violence, some that's very gruesome, but nothing like in GoT. Where did you read this comment?
 
No sex. Some violence, some that's very gruesome, but nothing like in GoT. Where did you read this comment?
A couple of posts in the other thread:

I wondered if it might be good for our family viewing, but looking closer at the threads it doesn't sound like a good fit.
 
I find the comparison with GoT totally misplaced. Yes, there is some violence, as is the case in many series, but not in the gruesome and shocking style of GoT. Nor is it casual cruelty, because the incidents of violence are part of the narrative and not gruesome just to be gruesome.
Both posts you link to are from the same person. I don't think I have heard anyone else complain with similar objections to the series.
 
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When I first time viewed this episode, I was shocked because straight from the beginning it felt that they had taken lessons from WestWorld or maybe even from David Lynch, because the abstract madness strikes you from the beginning as you see the shadow of Harry Seldon going absolutely raving mad bonkers.

He shouts, spits, curses, raves at everything, before the greater madness is brought forward with the four dimensional prison. I mean, it's one thing to read about it, as a lot of you might not remember that Gaal put Seldon's digital ghost in the Prime Radiant. In the essence, he's ghost-in-a-machine, except it's almost nothing he can do about it.

Not until he starts to see glimpses of sober clarity, when he encounters another digital ghost. Another mathematician called Yanna Seldon, who cares and soothes Harry to a point, where he starts to really understand the problem of his environment. That he's never going to get out unless he's let out, despite his cleverness.

They are all the scenes that I would have cut out, because of abstract madness that confuses the average viewer. It is most certainly art and should be seen as such.

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The other Mathemacian and Warden. Mum and Daughter. Two survivors stranded in Gaal's home world that had drowned almost all the evidence that once upon a time there was a civilization there, and not just an ocean.

I loved that from the beginning, Salver confessed that she'd been following her instincts, which led her to hunt down Gaal without ever knowing where she really was, or even if she was alive. All because she felt that she needed to be there, with her, to do something. A calling that she couldn't resist, because for some reason their faiths are aligned.

They both need each other, even if Gaal tries to deny. She most certainly isn't ready to accept the mum bit, but Warden isn't looking for that kind of figure. Instead, she knows that if her beloved Terminus is going to survive, then she needs to bring Gaal to the Terminus and introduce her to the first Foundation.

Gaal, mum, however, is the opposite. She wants to forget the whole Foundation business and that she provided the proof for the Empire that Seldon's thousand-year Crisis and the end of Empire is happening.

It is when Warden makes her to open the Prime Radiant and show the map for the future that they realize how effed they are, because instead of having one, they're facing a series of them. All spiralling down to the oblivion. Almost as if it was meant to be. And all of it happening because Gaal never made it to Terminus and become the one Hardon wanted her to be. All happening just like Harry's digital ghost told her in the last season when they approached the Second Foundation.

Maybe it really means that the future cannot be predicted.

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It has been 180 years since the fall began, when the space-elevator came crashing down on Trantor. I was stunned by the rings. And I cannot comprehend how they made them, nevertheless how they stay in place against the planetary gravity well. But all in all, I have to say Empire technology is magnificent.

It is as if they don't care that they are in a Crisis, and instead of trying to fix all the problems in Empire, it is the Genetic Dynasty who wants to show that there's no trouble. That instead of it the Empire is in business and there's no trouble.

Which is a lie. The same kind Brother Day has been telling himself since Cleon started the clone business. And in his madness, he has decided to wrap himself, as usual, in the blanket of lunacy by starting from bonking Demerzel.

It is not told whose idea was it, but it most certainly follows the traditional way of Day's behaviour, when the coitus is interrupted by a league of assassins entering the bed chamber as he uses the droid to avert the first strike. Thus, Demerzel loses half of her head and the Empire is in trouble.

His aura doesn't work. He's cock is flapping out in the fight business. And yet, he puts down most of them, until the last one slashes is chest and Brother Day drops on floor, struggling to put up a fight as the last assassin comes over him to finish the deal. He almost drives a dagger in Day's chest, before he's executed by the droid putting her arm through his chest.

A GoT like scene, but the series is nothing like it.

The next one with the droid carrying and dunking the Emperor in a health pool(?) and tells the doctors Cleon has "12 seconds before edema leads to brain stem death," as she cures him by injecting a counter-agent and then disappearing for most of the episode to make herself whole again.

When Brother Dawn comes to investigate, he tells the Soulless Man that they have an internal security problem, and he should hire outside help. Day scoffs it off as they reveal that the assassins had no eyes. He has no interest in it, because "the internal security can handle it."

Instead of acting rationally, he tells Dawn that he feel like a singular soul. And therefore he's next business is a marriage, thus erasing the Genetic Dynasty due to his paranoia.

As the future Empress descends on Trantor to meet the men, Brother Dusk roast Day for abusing his position by bonking the nanny. He's not happy about the assassination attempt, or the fact that he's looking at the bride, who most likely is going to kill Day off as soon as she can.

Day claims that he's doing it because they are drifting further away from clone standard, and thus it's his only choice to secure the future of the Empire by embracing the old ways. It is later when the bride brings very well-thought-out gifts that Day reveals how his lacking a soul through his hypocrisy of gifting a Trantor ornament made in brass to his bride.

He claims to be idealism but nobody is buying it. Not even his brothers.

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Terminus and its orbital battle-station. You can also see in this shot that the Foundation has spread to a large part of the planet, and they have really advanced themselves instead of living in a colony ship.

Instead of it, they have spread a very futuristic city around the Vault. They have tens of thousands living under the protection of new Warden, when the Vault gives a warning that it's getting ready to open.

Only Harry never comes out. Yet, they understand that it is a warning that the Empire is coming.
IMDB rating: 7.5 Runtime: 60 minutes.

After watching the first episode of the second season, Foundation has gone full GoT with ramped-up violence, intrigue, and semi-incestuous sex. All pretense of having any relation to Asimov's Foundation is gone and serves only as a name.
I get the argument, because I wrote the piece of my second watching. I just couldn't do it yesterday because I was actually ill. Thing is, although some parts of the Foundation is a costume drama, it isn't GoT. It doesn't satisfy the audience with sex and violence.

The scene at the beginning can rise some brows because both of the elements are present, but for the adult TV what they showed is acceptable, and it didn't go overboard. What was needed were explained in very dramatic fashion.

And the last argument of this not being Asimov's Foundation is not valid. It is the same stuff, translated to the modern audience, while going through a difficult book to film because of the timejumps.
 
After watching the first episode of the second season, Foundation has gone full GoT with ramped-up violence, intrigue, and semi-incestuous sex. All pretense of having any relation to Asimov's Foundation is gone and serves only as a name.
So it's not really family-friendly, then? :)
 
After watching the first episode of the second season, Foundation has gone full GoT with ramped-up violence, intrigue, and semi-incestuous sex. All pretense of having any relation to Asimov's Foundation is gone and serves only as a name.
A couple of posts in the other thread:

I wondered if it might be good for our family viewing, but looking closer at the threads it doesn't sound like a good fit.

It's gone down the reimagined classic rabbit hole.
 
So it's not really family-friendly, then? :)
No. Unless the kids are at least teenagers, but even then I think it's meant for a more mature audience, as it's a complicated show. And they don't shy showing fights, wounds or even deaths but it's most certainly isn't a GoT.
 
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I want to talk about this. When I first time saw it, I thought that it looked like a chandler, but then immediately after I realized it was in space, I thought I was looking at a disk. Specifically UFO, because of the striking similarity.

It's just I've never seen a space vessel with so many engines. It's almost like a Kerbal Space fabrication, where the builder doesn't understand the fuel/engine/weight ratio. Thing is, that is in space, and I don't think it was designed ever to go down in the gravity well. So in those terms, that many engines would be very impressive speeds and acceleration.

It is an impressive artistic interpretation that the Foundation and generally Asimov's stories are famous for. What did you think about it and the rings?
 

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