Foundation on Apple TV

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I want to talk about this. When I first time saw it, I thought that it looked like a chandler, but then immediately after I realized it was in space, I thought I was looking at a disk. Specifically UFO, because of the striking similarity.

It's just I've never seen a space vessel with so many engines. It's almost like a Kerbal Space fabrication, where the builder doesn't understand the fuel/engine/weight ratio. Thing is, that is in space, and I don't think it was designed ever to go down in the gravity well. So in those terms, that many engines would be very impressive speeds and acceleration.

It is an impressive artistic interpretation that the Foundation and generally Asimov's stories are famous for. What did you think about it and the rings?

All it needs is the soundtrack for Saturday Night Fever .;)
 
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It definitely has a 1970's disco chandelier vibe. :D
I guess it wouldn't have look that impressive if they'd let some light shine on it, like they did for the Terminus Battle-Station. SW models look so cheap compared to the Foundation tech, even though they both should be in the same technological level, approximately.

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I guess it wouldn't have look that impressive if they'd let some light shine on it, like they did for the Terminus Battle-Station.

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When I reead. The Foundation series decades ago. I never visualized is as looking anything like I see in this series..
 
When I reead. The Foundation series decades ago. I never visualized is as looking anything like I see in this series..
Did you ever read the illustrated novels? Those were some of the best sf art until the internet became a thing.
 
Did you ever read the illustrated novels? Those were some of the best sf art until the internet became a thing.

No didn't read that one . The edition I had and read was the old bookclub hardcover edition of the trilogy.
 
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The marketing material for Foundation season 2 makes no attempt to hide the fact that the show is in store for a big time jump. While this would be a major twist for many other TV shows, for Foundation‘s eons-spanning narrative it’s pretty standard. Not only did season 1 feature multiple time jumps, but the final moments of its finale actually bring viewers up to roughly 138 years in the future when season 2 is set to begin. That just happens to be the amount of time it takes for both Salvor Hardin (Leah Harvey) and Gaal Dornick (Lou Llobell) to reach Gaal’s native planet Synnax.

While roughly no time has passed for atypical mother-daughter duo Gaal and Salvor thanks to the intricacies of suspended animation and interstellar travel, what happened to the rest of the galaxy?

Showrunner David S. Goyer helpfully explained the situation to us when Den of Geek caught up with him ahead of the season 2 premiere of the Apple TV+ sci-fi series. In short, the show’s sophomore year will focus in on the battles to come between the Galactic Empire and psychohistorian Hari Seldon’s Foundation, a group tasked with preventing a 30,000-year dark age after the impending collapse of civilization.
 
I was not impressed by season 2 episode 1. I already thought that this story had only a nodding acquaintance with the original trilogy of Foundation books, now it looks like most of the struggle will be internal instead of external, a development that will quickly send me running for the exits.
 
I was not impressed by season 2 episode 1. I already thought that this story had only a nodding acquaintance with the original trilogy of Foundation books, now it looks like most of the struggle will be internal instead of external, a development that will quickly send me running for the exits.
Just be patient. According to the space.com piece, the story gets solified and back on the track after the beginning rush. So two, three episodes at tops.
 
Emmy-nominated actor Lee Pace ("Halt and Catch Fire," "Guardians of the Galaxy") portrays Brother Day, the acknowledged ruler of the empire's cloned dynasty. Once thought to be an exact copy of his forebearer Cleon I, Brother Day becomes aware that the genetic source material was tampered with by insurgents. He’s awakened to the fact that he’s a unique individual like his ascending and descending replicas, Brother Dawn and Brother Dusk.

At his side is the sentient android Eto Demerzel, played with chilling authenticity and grace by the Finnish actress Laura Birn. Demerzel serves the Emperor with absolute loyalty, and her centuries-old bond with the lineage of Cleons in perpetuity takes intimate turns as she starts to understand her own autonomy.

Space.com spoke with this galactic power couple to learn about their acting styles and find out what's in store for their evolving partnership as their royal reality disintegrates around them in "Foundation" Season 2.
 
Holy History!
Forget the time jumps within the series. What about the 18-month time gap between seasons?
As a guy who has trouble remembering what he had for breakfast, I have only a vague recollection of what was happening on Nov. 19, 2021, when the last episode of season one dropped. Now, do I want to review the first 10 episodes to get a better grip on the narrative?
Probably not.
I'm more likely to muddle through this season while scraping my memory bank for hints. :unsure:
 
Having just bought a new apple product, I got 3 months free iTV. First up was Silo. I loved the books and wanted to see the adaptation.
I was also interested in The Foundation. I have not read the book yet, but thought I'd give the first season a go.
First off, it is not like Game of Thrones in terms of violence and sex scenes (which I am grateful for). Secondly, there is nowhere near the political machinations to keep track of. Maybe they will come later. I found it more like a mystery story, getting clues to try and figure out what Hari Seldon was doing. I enjoyed it very much. It was definitely less SF-ish than Silo, which I also liked.
I was suspicious of Hari right off the bat. Gaal had my sympathies, and my mistrust of Hari made me be extra critical of little details. I guessed early on that Saldor was Gaal's daughter, because she was the only one that wasn't affected by the null field. My theory was that Hari had chosen Gaal's DNA and her descendants to be the only ones that could access the foundation info. As it turned out, I was partially right as it was their possession of the prime radiant that was crucial.
As soon as I saw Hari's coffin, I recognized a shape similar the vault, though I though he had the ability to 'jump' into the past to deposit it and his body (aka the repository) on Terminus, prior to the settlers getting there.
Regarding the Empire, it seems like their time has come. I'll hazard another guess to say that Demerzel is also waiting for revenge, though she is playing the long, long game, and her target are humans.
I'm going to wait until all of season 2's episodes are dropped before watching. Will catch up with you then.
 
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It's interesting to see the rating go down, further we go into the second season and this is only the second episode. What's more remarkable is that Disney's Secret Invasion is receiving 8, while this is in danger of dipping under 7.

I have not spoiled myself by reading other reviews. So let's jump into it...
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Hari and the girls. "What did you think would happen to me, Gaal, when you abruptly sundered my consciousness from the Raven?" Seldon asked, before he vent out further of his anger. "What did you think would happen to me? That my thoughts would simply be suspended as you were while you cryoslept?"

Gaal knew nothing. After all, when she met the other digital ghost last time, Hari II wasn't the most pleasant person either. Rather, he was a big dick, and he hasn't changed at all in his time in the prison. Yet, he was willing to clear the computer when Warden asked, all because of his precious second foundation.

Warden however cocked up when she claimed that Hari would be the key and then she ended up going outside to clear coral from blocking the vents. All in the middle of storm and over ten meter tall waves.

There is always something other than a software problem. But with three of them, if they get the ghost-in-the-machine to play on their side, there's nowhere they cannot go.

Not that it was going to be so easy as back in the space, Hari told the girls that they could go to the First Foundation, because the war between them and the Empire had to happen, hence the Second Foundation acting as counterpoint.

Warden didn't buy the idea that the First Foundation would become another Empire, because she knew them to be "good people."

Gaal didn't take Hari's pessimistic outlook as her own, as he figured out that the "red" divergence was all her own doing, when she climbed out from the pool and saw the murder. Only the "red shift" was going to happen another "150 years into the future."

To solve the quandrum Warden suggested to Gaal to use her memories to see into the future. She had to suffocate to do the time jump to see the Mule taking down the First Foundation. All while she was in Warden's body.

Warden brought him back and Gaal told Hari that the Mule is a telepath, powerful enough to take down the Empire, and then wanting to end the Second Foundation.

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This is in Sivenna. I have no idea what the beastie is, but he has a nasty smile. And way too many teeth for my like. What he's carrying is Brother Constant, a girl with purple eyes, wearing red priest robes. She also hangs a golden vault symbol on her neck. And did I mention those purple eyes?

I couldn't stop looking as they were so hypnotic. The same goes to her attitude, as her part is to spread the gospel of Church of Greater Spirit at the outer reaches. Not that the locals are so interested to hear Seldon's propaganda, as they'd tied one of the cleric's in the tree and waited for the lightning to kill the b*stard.

When she approached the locals with her teachings, they wanted to murder her. It was all thanks to her Aura technology that she couldn't be harmed. The locals tried, but the preachers used supreme technology to put magic and fear in the local minds. But before they could finish their propaganda lesson, Brother was called by the opening of the Vault and the locals were left with nothing.

Back in the Terminus they were all welcomed with high standards, before they were whisked away into a Foundation boardroom meeting, where High Claric got told the marching orders. In fact, it's amazing to think that he was the child that met Hari when the Vault opened the first time.

Now he was only going to be a show-piece, while the current warden was going to have a word with Hari's digital ghost. Then it happened, Warned went up to the Vault and submitted his body for Vault to get out one message, before he was burned to ashes.

"Get Hober Mallow!" was the last words before the Vault painted itself with them.

Spooky.

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The android, the banner and Soulless Man with all his worries about the future, while still pining for the greatness of the past. According to him, Empress Hanlo had four times bigger empire 4000 years before the Dawn of Genetic Dynasty. And "oversaw a blossoming of science and culture."

Cleons have done nothing but to tried to maintain the status quo. And while doing that they've mostly alienated their citizens to a point that they're openly revolting. Well, this is where the soup gets murky, because according to the android, Dusk and Dawn couldn't remember that they'd hired the Burning Angel assassins or at least that was her suggestion, which the Soulless Man took hook, line and sinker.

Then she revealed that she'd also altered the medical staff memories, to erase the 'compromised position' that they'd been found when the hit happened. The Emperor was all but delighted to know that the android was manipulating them all. Including him. And she's most likely culprit for the clone alteration, and killing the original host.

After all, she's not following Asimov's robot laws, because she's a special. A manipulator. The Emperor was livid of her choice of an admiral to lead the strike on Terminus. Yet, he couldn't come up with an alternative for being an Emperor of Mankind.

You'd assume that he'd know a guy, but he didn't and Dusk approved the choice. He even claimed that Bel Riose was the best choice for commanding absolutely loyalty with his men. His men, not the Empire.

The android watched as the trio dined with the Queen Sareth of Cloud Dominion. She turned out to be quite knowledgable on how the Genetic Dynasty really works, even if she wasn't most certain about the cloning tech.

It wasn't long before she'd talked her way into seeing all of it, with Brother Day who was more the happy telling her all about it. Including how to kill the clones, despite the Queen quoting a rebel poem. Or knowing the whole plot.
IMDB rating: 7.1 Runtime: 60 minutes
 
Watched Season 2 episode 2 and it was a bit of an improvement from episode 1. But I feel as though there are all these loose strings dangling and every once in a while the producers decide to wiggle one a bit and then forget it for the rest of the episode. I'm really struggling to see how all these things fit together. I am only watching this because I loved the original trilogy so much.

Oh, and the Mule was a horrible rendition of the book. I only hope that since it was a dream sequence the real Mule is the subtle villain we see in the books instead of this rip off the Star Wars Emperor with electricity flowing out of his hands.
 
We're now two episodes into the second season of Foundation, Apple TV's epic sci-fi series adapted—or remixed, per showrunner David Goyer—from the seminal series of stories by Isaac Asimov, and it's shaping up to be even better than its first. Goyer took great pains in S1 to carefully set up his expansive fictional world, and the scope has only broadened in the second season.

Goyer describes the new season as more emotional and romantic, with a bit more humor—or at least moments of levity—and faster paced now that the main characters and their key relationships have been well established. "Now it's a bit like jazz," he said. "We can riff on our creation and start to move the chess pieces around and create alliances or unusual pairings that didn't exist last season. Audiences have a certain expectation of how things are going to unfold, and part of the fun is subverting those expectations." The narrative is also more linear, with fewer time jumps forward and back—just the occasional traditional flashback.
This new Brother Day has no illusions about who or what he is—so much so, that he plans to marry Queen Sareth (Ella-Rae Smith) of Cloud Dominion and produce natural-born heirs, effectively ending the line of clone emperors. "There's no doubt in his mind that he's just a man in the role of a god," said Pace. "He feels entitled to it, but he doesn't really want this job. It's the ego that is so interesting about him. He believes that he's the hero of his story, but there is a very vulnerable belly of failure. The consequence of failure, his humiliation, and the consequences for the rest of galaxy in turn. What Hari Seldon predicted is happening and everyone can feel it. The time is now. That thrilling meeting with destiny is interesting to me."
Interesting quote from the producer. The problem for the viewer is that it doesn't translate as that well in the small screen. It might be the intention, but the execution is problematic in these series that complex because there's no narrator giving subtle hints about how things are.

The art of weaving the right amount of exposition into the narrative is a skill that is required from the published authors. Although often there's too much and the job drops into the editor's lap, who after all handles the final product.

We also know from the past that series like the WestWorld flies over the heads of large audience, because they are too complicated to understand without the narrator drips. Brother Day's and generally the Genetic Dynasty comes out as evil and corrupted dictators, who doesn't understand the needs of the people.

The audience gets that he kind of wants to end their dynasty, but there's not enough of the dialogue related to it or the scenes. The GoT does it differently, because there's a lot of dialogue revolving around the issues, with a lot of exposition dropped in those conversations. So it is easier for the audience to grasp the situation, whereas in the Foundation is majorly struggling to do the justice, because the producers had to cut out a lot of things that made the Foundation interesting to read.

Asimov understood the art well enough to produce the title that ultimate produced things like Star Wars, which Lucas admitted being the seed for the inspiration of a galactic wide civilization. In this show, they still haven't shown how big the Imperium of Genetic Dynasty really is. We only have had a couple of places that in the context make no sense.

That's the problem. This series needs more time to mature to a great show.

the series will continue to explore Asimov's various themes more deeply, which Goyer considers timeless. "The only constant is change," he said. "I think that Foundation is probably more relevant today than it was when Asimov was first writing it. Foundation is about people studying history, the patterns of society, and realizing that so many of the things that we think are unique challenges each generation, humanity has dealt with them again and again and again. And if we can learn from those mistakes, we can be better suited to face those challenges in the present and the future."
That's his view, does it come out like it?
 
This series lost me when they changed the 'gender' of Daneel Olivaw.
 

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