The Lord of the Rings - Second Age - Amazon Prime

Trailers don't tell you the full story, but it is clear from them that the inspiration (visuals, soundtrack, even actors) comes from the two movie trilogies. And why not? They were both massive money-making machines. We only have to hope that the end result is closer to LOTR than it is to The Hobbit.

I do not know whether this series is going to be any good or not, but I suspect that it is more likely to please lovers of the movies than it is to please lovers of the books.

And fairly or unfairly, this series will draw direct comparison with the other prequel tv series that is starting to do the rounds this month.
 
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A lot of reviews for the first two episodes of the series are now available (as opposed to the "reviews" that were merely speculation based on the trailers which is what we had for so long). These new reviews are an interesting mix. It seems that a majority of the reviewers loved what they were seeing but mean to wait until they've seen a lot more before passing judgement. Which makes sense, since there will be so many more chances, with 75% of the season yet ahead— for things to go sour.

On the other hand, there are those who were grudgingly admiring of certain aspects, but gave me the impression they had already formed a negative opinion well before they watched the first episode. (And though there are topics we can't discuss here, I think anyone can easily discern for themselves, from the content of many of the most excitable of these reviews, what it really is that has some of them so angry.)

So I am feeling much more hopeful, in terms of whether I will have the pleasure of enjoying the series or the disappointment of finding it lacking, but it would be premature to get too excited, since we don't really know much more now than we did before.

However, regarding the warlike interpretation of Galadriel, I was much struck by this article Galadriel’s untold story comes to life in The Rings of Power , which I think is brilliant, admittedly because much of what it says is what I have already been thinking and turning over in my mind,, only stated much more powerfully and movingly that I could have said it myself, even to so receptive an audience as my own self. Also, the author of the article used so many Tolkien quotes to back up her argument (saving me the trouble of looking up dimly recollected quotations to marshal my arguments for any discussions of Galadriel's character that may come up here in the next few weeks).

As an aside, I will add that I have never really much cared for women warriors in fantasy though some of my best friends have written about them in their own stories and even engage in medieval style combat and other martial arts themselves--I suspect it's just that I have never wanted to do that sort of thing myself and can't identify--though what I have seen of Morfydd Clark's performance so far has begun to win me over.


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but I suspect that it is more likely to please lovers of the movies than it is to please lovers of the books.
I am not so sure that I agree with you. It could go either way. A lot of people who present themselves as fans of the books have only read the trilogy and not very carefully (they seem to accept certain parts of the movies as canon when they are no such thing) and have little or no familiarity with the books of Tolkien's drafts that were edited after his death by his son. These people, I think, are going to continue to complain that the series is flawed because it doesn't follow the movies closely enough. Or ... maybe they will be swept away by the music, visuals, and the performances, as they were by the Jackson movies, (as I blush to admit I was too—20 years ago) despite the many liberties he and his collaborators took with the original story. It's hard to say.

Looking forward to September 2 (although it will still be September 1 in my time zone!) so that I can resolve some of these questions, at least to my own satisfaction.
 
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this article Galadriel’s untold story comes to life in The Rings of Power , which I think is brilliant, admittedly because much of what it says is what
is a terrific article, Teresa, and I thank you greatly for finding it for me.

I agree with you that it gives me a lot of hope for the series and for their keeping true to Tolkien's own thoughts.
The idea that Galadriel went though a phase of such militant struggle herself in the first and early second age, before settling in Lothlorien was apparent to me despite my not being able to find any clear references, and also despite my not having read the Unfinished Tales. So I'm very glad to read both your and his analyses which give my thoughts some legitimacy.
I am going to be too busy to watch the first episode on the 2nd, or indeed anything until after the 8th. So I will avoid this thread until at least then, to avoid spoilers.
I hope all the rest of you will find the first episodes to be sufficiently interesting , exciting and true to the spirit you seek in the mean time.
 
I didn't finish it either on my first attempt and it was a long time before I tried again and found it more readable.

But one thing to remember is that, true to the title, none of the stories are final drafts, except in the sense that Tolkien died before he could revise them further. He was still experimenting with how he wanted to tell these stories, and in some cases still trying to figure out exactly what stories he was trying to tell. If he was dissatisfied with them himself is it any wonder that readers are not so easily drawn in as we were by the more polished work published during his lifetime?

Still, for those of us who wish to know more about Middle Earth than we can glean from LOTR and The Hobbit, the Silmarillion and the HoME books are what we've got.
 
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For those who are still awake at this hour (it's early evening here but I know much later in UK and parts east) the first two episodes will drop in about an hour and a half. Starting next week new episodes will be three hours later.
 
Just devoured the first episode and keeping it all spoiler free

Looks just beautiful and has some stunning cinematic shots

Music is close to the film and really ties the two

Nods to films are many and I wish we had seen a lot more of young Galadriel and more of her Brother in the war

There is some pretentious and portentous dialogue but hey " do you know why a ship floats and a stone cannot because a stone sees only downward" and "how long can flesh endure where even sunlight fears to tread" however the delivery of the lines kind of sells it.

Pacing was a little off at times but so far really solid first episode and I can see why they cost so much as it is easily LOTR at the Cinema Quality.

BTW 18 minutes or so to Title reveal and im not sure how I missed Lenny Henry being in this.
 
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I watched the first two episodes earlier this evening, and then went back and watched them again to see if there was anything I missed.

The sets were amazing. (Right down to details like the mud in the village street.) The cinematography was awesome. (In some scenes a person could get drunk on the beautiful colors.) I thought the music was wonderful.

I'm not sure yet how I feel about the story they are telling. One thing I didn't like was their prologue/history lesson about how the elves came to Middle Earth. I realize they had to greatly condense all that backstory, otherwise they would have had a few hundred more hours of series on their hands, but I didn't like the way they chose to condense it. It was like they were telling a different story entirely. I think I need to watch a few more episodes to make up my mind about everything else. Fortunately, it's such a treat for the eyes that watching them should be no hardship.
 
Working my way through the episodes and my attention is wandering. I can't say I'm engaged. It feels a little bloated and meandering. It feels a bit like watching someone else play a video game.

I love the Hobbit and LOTR books but I wasn't a fan of Jackson's movies. I'm not a lore geek and I'm not bothered how faithful this is to the source material - I'm trying to judge it as a standalone fantasy series, unencumbered with the Tolkienverse.

Part of me wanted it to be great to spite all the discourse surrounding the thing. As it stands its a fairly alright, mediocre, bloated fantasy series with a big budget.

The good:

* It's great to hear a score with a real full orchestra. The music suffers in parts from being too twee and too pervasive, much like Shore's score for the movie trilogy. Generally speaking, the rule is if the music is being used to signpost the emotions of a spoken scene the scene isn't working. Overall it's well scored, though.

* I genuinely enjoyed Lenny Henry in this. I'm not sure what his accent is - one minute it's Irish, the next it's West Country. I'm guessing this is American-European Rustic. I couldn't help thinking of the impression Henry used to do of David Bellamy with that hair.

* The cinematography and effects are pretty good.

* It's kind of campy and soap opera-ey. I have no problem with this.

* So far, the harfoots storyline is most interesting.


The bad:

* Portentous Dialogue - they're going for Classicism but it comes off as George Lucas in parts.

* Wooden acting

* It's all a bit of a structural mess.

* Unearned emotions

* Marvelitis - all of the above but with CGI and superhero action spectacle thrown in.

* Cliched opening sequence with wave patterns formed by sand on a speaker.

* Fake lens flares

* Galadriel suffers from perfect action woman syndrome. Its difficult to root for someone who's already OP.
 
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Is it as empty as this review suggests?

If it was anything other than Tolkien adjacent, there wouldn't be near as much fuss. The review is pretty right, but only because of the Tolkien affiliation. It isn't great, it's no House of the Dragon, it's pulp - better than the D&D movie by a long shot, but still mediocre.
 
the rule is if the music is being used to signpost the emotions of a spoken scene the scene isn't working.
I hope the makers of Doctor Who read this.

* Fake lens flares
Nooo, are people still doing that?

Hopefully if this doesn't work out, someone will go in the other direction and do The Silmarillion with puppets. I'd love that.
 
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AMZ claims that this story can be found from the LOTR Appendices A to F. The Story begins from a young girl Galandriel at the Undying Lands. The strangest thing is that they portray the Eldar kids being the same as humans. As if the High Elves has no different culture to men.

I get that their childhood might be a bit longer than humans. But then, and especially in the Galandriel's case, born around ~62 years later than his brother, they look young forever and as she did for almost 1600 years before she returned to the Undying Lands. In the LOTR she acts like a fierce but loving lady, with a certain majesty tied to her presence. I don't get that from the girl Galandriel.

Thing is, she goes to narrate, "We had no word for death..." and yet, they showed her portraying violence with the boat sinking episode. As if it is natural for them to gravitate towards the violence, rather than peace and harmony. When I read the Silmarillion, the violence was learned later on, when Morgoth stepped into the play with his "darkness."

In fact, it's in that point on that they show High Elves picking up the arms, while they condensed the First Age and its ending without explaining much about the Elvish culture. Instead, it's about Elves going to war, giving the audience an idea that the Elves are not much different to humans, even though Tolkien wanted them to be snobbish pacifists.

I hated that AMZ changed the past, skipped the Numenior, forgot about the Silmarillions and their light or their meaning to the High Elvish culture as Elves shipped themselves to Middle-Earth. Even the map doesn't show Numenor, while it should be there. Instead, they showed Elves coming to Middle-Earth as invaders, clashing against orkish forces, while the dragons fought with the Giant Eagles on the sky. Then they go and claimed that was the reason why the Arda looks so ruined.

*facepalm for the lost opportunity* I was ready to stop... for the AMZ muddling the whole lot of things about how the different races arrived to the Middle-Earth. Jackson at least had balls to show the reference for the Uruk-hai being dug up from the earth. It's what Tolkien told us, that they all one-by-one came from the ground, expect the elves.

There is no other reference to Valar than Morgoth. Instead, they jumped straight to the Sauron, forgetting a whole lot of things that makes Sauron as a successor of Morgoth so interesting. So we got Finrod getting slain by Sauron without explaining the match and Galandriel picking up a revenge mission instead of ruling in peace with her husband Celeborn for around a thousand years as she voices, "And there in the darkness, his voe became mine. And so, we hunted... to the ends of the Earth we hunted."

Finrod founded the original Minas Tirith in the Pass of Sirion. In around FA 50, he and his friend Turgon, while journeying down the river Sirion, encamped along its banks and were put to sleep by Ulmo.
Finrod discovered the system of caves beneath the Taur-en-Faroth, and with the help from the Dwarves of the Blue Mountains he started to build the city of Nargothrond and went on to found his own kingdom there.[4][5] Finrod rewarded the Dwarves with many jewels from Valinor. And in that time they made for him the Nauglamír and gave him the honorific Felagund meaning "Hewer of Caves".
One of the reasons why the Dwarven Kingdom's have Elven ruins is because Finrod forged a friendship with them and helped them. There is also another reason why the Elves doesn't have the Rings of Power as they all made them. Especially those who came from the Undying Lands and had seen the Silmarillions as Finrod's biography states:
During the Dagor Bragollach, Barahir of the House of Bëor saved Finrod's life, and in friendship Finrod gave him his ring.[7] This ring was later known as the Ring of Barahir and was eventually handed down to Aragorn when told of his true identity

It goes on to say about Sauron,
Though disguised by the arts of Finrod, the twelve were captured by Sauron and taken to Tol-in-Gaurhoth, formerly Minas Tirith, the castle Felagund himself had built. Finrod and Sauron battled with songs of power but despite a great display of skill and power by the Elven prince, Sauron eventually caught him in a devious trap and prevailed. But Sauron could not discern who exactly they were, even though they were revealed to him. Sauron imprisoned them, seeking to learn their errand and identities, sending a werewolf to devour them one by one until they revealed their secret, yet none did. Sauron however perceived that Finrod was a High Elven Lord of great power, and purposed to save him for last. Eventually, when the wolf came for Beren, Finrod burst his chains and killed the wolf barehanded but was mortally wounded himself.
That's why he is scarred. But the interesting thing about the "Songs of Power" is that it's from Kalevala, that Tolkien studied for making the LOTR. It's what Väinämöinen did more than in one occasion, and his spells were powerful. It's what Valar did as well, with Finrod being one of the most powerful High Elves in the land.

Why Galandriel would spend "centuries" after Finrod's death on a hunt for Sauron and his orcs? I just don't get it. Even his "company" were questioning her motives. Hundreds of years, and "...nobody has found of anything."

The warrior princess Galandriel didn't care to listen to words of wisdom. Instead she pushed on like a bloodthirsty barbarian to "Frozen north"??? Man, wtf? Elves are not that effin stupid. But no, in this one they are. I hated seeing them wearing chainmail in a blizzard, some of them not even wearing hats, like idiots on a revenge.

I stopped at there...

Runtime, ~60 minutes. IMDB 7.0/10

I cannot continue watching these.
 
Here's a comment on the Amazon series from noted Tolkien scholar David Bratman.


I guess I get something different out of Tolkien's works than some other people. I don't care for this invented world because of the characters, or the setting, or the plot. That's nice but it's not what I'm there for. What makes Tolkien's stories worthwhile is the skill and quality with which he wrote them.

I haven't watched the new show and probably won't bother, at least for a while, but I feel similarly. Tolkien's beautiful prose, his love not only of myth and lore but of language, and the great care he took with words- this seems absent in so much imitation Tolkien. If anything it holds language in contempt, as just a tool for expressing sentiments and plot points.
 

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