"promise me, Ned" and "the value of Howland Reed"

[Yavannie]

Furthermore....he was not just any Targaryen, but a legitimate child of the Prince and Heir to the Iron Throne. How can that be? Rhaegar already had a wife. Targs have a well established reputation for polygamy in the ASOIAF canon. And I believe there is ample evidence to suggest that Lyanna and Rhaegar were legitimately married. Some of it is here, reference to Theon's dream when he was in Winterfell (post-Iron Islands and pre-Reek): http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/foru...as-3-heads-a-discussion-on-4.html#post1630801

Personally, I think legitimate or ******* not will make little difference in the end - the dragons will belong to whom they're meant to belong. Drogon obviously with Dany, hopefully Viserion with Jon (being white), and Rhaegal... Well, my wet dream is still Tyrion

 

[ArstenWhitebeard]

Personally, I think legitimate or ******* not will make little difference in the end - the dragons will belong to whom they're meant to belong. Drogon obviously with Dany, hopefully Viserion with Jon (being white), and Rhaegal... Well, my wet dream is still Tyrion

I'm with you on this one. I think it is far more important to the story that Jon THINKS he is a *******, whether he is or not. It has been such a defining characteristic through his whole life that even if he found out that he was a legitimate son of Rheagar, it would not change 15+ years (or however old he is) of being a ******* and being treated as one.

I also have a theory that in the books, we will find out Jon's parentage through Bran, but Jon will never learn it.

 

[Ashen]

This certainly lends strength to the theory that Lyanna was giving birth in the ToJ, though I sincerely doubt the Maegi had anything to do with that.

Can anyone find the context in which the Maegi says this line? are we sure she is referring to the bloody bed being a birthing bed, or could it be reference to a death bed?

She is talking to Dany about being able to help her give birth, this is when she meets her. It is definately about giving birth in the Maegis words.


"I know every secret of the bloody bed, Silver Lady, nor have I ever lost a babe,” Mirri Maz Duur replied. “My time is near,” Dany said. "


Its the Neds word where it is not definate

 

[ArstenWhitebeard]

She is talking to Dany about being able to help her give birth, this is when she meets her. It is definately about giving birth in the Maegis words.


"I know every secret of the bloody bed, Silver Lady, nor have I ever lost a babe,” Mirri Maz Duur replied. “My time is near,” Dany said. "


Its the Neds word where it is not definate

Thank you for clearing that up. I couldn't remember when that conversation took place, nor the context.

 

[Reivax26]

My personal theory on Howland Reed is that he is the new leader of the Sparrows in Kings Landing.

When you seriously think about it, how many people out of the current Council or even the other nobles would know what he looks like? It is quite evident that the mysterious new leader that no one seems to know a lot about has a complete disdain for the Lannisters based on how he acts around Cersei. It seems to go beyond just a holy man looking down on a woman who uses her sexuality to get what she wants.

 

[joshrackley]

Pretty sure Howland Reed follows the Old Gods along with the rest of the crannogmen.

 

[Gumboot]

Furthermore....he was not just any Targaryen, but a legitimate child of the Prince and Heir to the Iron Throne. How can that be? Rhaegar already had a wife. Targs have a well established reputation for polygamy in the ASOIAF canon.

Do they? I can't find a single instance of a Targaryen being married to two people at once. Indeed, even those like Aegon IV, who were notorious for shamelessly flaunting his many women in court and legitimising his many bastards, only had one wife. (And the family were ashamed of his actions, naming him "the Unworthy").

The Targaryens were known for their incestuous marriages, but polygamy? No.

Jon may be a Targaryen, but he's still a *******. If anything, learning his true parentage will only serve to increase his feelings of alienation and confusion.

 

[Keebs411]

Do they? I can't find a single instance of a Targaryen being married to two people at once. Indeed, even those like Aegon IV, who were notorious for shamelessly flaunting his many women in court and legitimising his many bastards, only had one wife. (And the family were ashamed of his actions, naming him "the Unworthy").

The Targaryens were known for their incestuous marriages, but polygamy? No.

Jon may be a Targaryen, but he's still a *******. If anything, learning his true parentage will only serve to increase his feelings of alienation and confusion.

Aegon I Targaryen, also known as Argon the Conqueror. Aegon was from the island of Dragonstone, the westernmost outpost of the Valyrian Freehold, which his family had settled over a century before the Doom of Valyria. According to Targaryen tradition, Aegon married within the family; however, instead of just one sister, he married both of them: his elder sister, Visenya, and his younger sister, Rhaenys. All three were dragon-riders before they were wed.

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