The Dragon Has Three Heads

[TK-421]

I think if you go back and read the 118 other posts in this thread, you will see a general pattern that most would put Arya very high on their list of probabilities.

 

[Florian the Fool]

Please don't ask people to go back and re-read the thread, because round about page 7 I come over as a complete idiot and I'd rather people weren't reminded of it..

 

[the smiling weirwood]

Your name is the Fool. You advertise this for the world to see, don't be shy about it.

 

[Florian the Fool]

Your name is the Fool. You advertise this for the world to see, don't be shy about it.

Yeah, but it's like, ironic.....isn't it?

 

[the smiling weirwood]

Ironic means it is not what you expect. So, no it isn't. I mean, you are from Essex.

 

[Florian the Fool]

Ironic means it is not what you expect. So, no it isn't. I mean, you are from Essex.

I think I've just been insulted, but I'm not sure, so I'm just going to nod and smile.

 

[the smiling weirwood]

I think I've just been insulted, but I'm not sure, so I'm just going to nod and smile.

Aww, Florian, you must know I was just kidding. Perhaps I should learn to include graphics to indicate my mood. Like so.

Your observations aren't so terribly foolish. I believe there was once a conspiracy theory thread that was so ridiculous it was painful to read. After that I am jaded and no amount of idiocy can faze me.

 

[Florian the Fool]

Don't worry, I know you were kidding. I have an aversion to smilies myself

 

[Trey Greyjoy]

What was this thread about???

 

[Boaz]

The thread has three smilies!

 

[the smiling weirwood]

Ha Ha!

I hope that Arya is not a dragon rider, I don't know if I could handle a steamy boudoir scene between her and Dany ala Jhiqui and Iri.

Arya is just too young for that. Come to think of it, so are Dany and Jhiqui and Iri.

 

[TK-421]

That is one scene that I hope HBO does NOT shy away from

 

[the smiling weirwood]

~Thread Hijack~

Why is the thread about the Conclusion now locked?

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I wonder if indeed Dany will take on Quentyn Martell as a consort. Dorne cannot supply very large of an army and they are adept at defending their own land, not at conquering others.

 

[Weasel Soup]

The 2 family names Jorah always mentions when discussing the Usurper are Stark and Lannister, and Jorah's personal distaste for Eddard.

If a Tyrion or Jon or Arya is involved will Dany pretty much ignore what little history of Westeros she knows?

 

[Culhwch]

~Thread Hijack~

Why is the thread about the Conclusion now locked?

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I have no idea, but I've opened it again now.

 

[Rakkis]

The 2 family names Jorah always mentions when discussing the Usurper are Stark and Lannister, and Jorah's personal distaste for Eddard.

If a Tyrion or Jon or Arya is involved will Dany pretty much ignore what little history of Westeros she knows?

Given Jorah's betrayal, i see Dany being more open to different views of history. In addition i don't really think she knows exactly how mad Aerys was and the atrocities he committed.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Weasel, Rakkis....

I dont know Dany is going to be so quick to dismiss what she has heard before. Her current advisor on Westeros is Selmy (or as I like to call him Barristan frickin Selmy) and he has a definite distaste for Lannisters and Baratheons. Its going to be the distaste for Lannisters thats going to bring this thing to a head....there is no way she can accept not taking Jaimes head....or Tommen and Myrcella....so the Lannisters as a whole are going to have to be rooted out. Stannis is going to have to go as well....

So maybe she leaves the north unscathed (except for the passing of the Others, the culling of their ruling family and the occupation of their capital theyre doing pretty good right?) and Highgarden and the Arbor both bend the knee along with Dorne....(even though I dont see the Tyrells bending the knee at this point but maybe Im wrong).

The only thing Im certain of at this point is that Jaime, Cersei, Tommen, Myrcella and Stannis are all going to have to be dead for her to take the throne securely. Regardless of her own leanings in the matter.

 

[TK-421]

(even though I dont see the Tyrells bending the knee at this point but maybe Im wrong).

Well, my desert friend, I think you are WRONG on this one.

Jaime, leave him to either Bran or Tyrion to deal with.

Otherwise, Dany is getting some of the best advice from Barristan the frickin' Bold.

 

[Boaz]

The Tyrells may have the largest military force, but they're not gonna cast it away on a lark. I think the Tyrells, as much or more than the other houses, know how to go with the flow. Mace, allied with Dorne and possibly the Greyjoys, could have fought Robert and Ned for another year or so. Mace also could have found someone to father a child on Margaery, call the child Renly's heir, and have continued the crazy war of the Five Kings. Neither time did Mace push his luck. As soon as an easy victory eluded him, he quickly made peace and got on the winning side.

Mace and Olenna remind me of Robert the Bruce's father in Braveheart... always scheming, never commiting, ever vigilant for opportunities. If they can get one of Mace's children to be one of the heads, then they'll do it. If Dany refuses them, then they'll bow the knee and wait for another chance.

The Tyrells are aware of a number of facts. First, the Martells are their mortal enemies. The Iron Throne counts on this enmity as part of it's checks and balances to provide stability. Neither family will let the other get too powerful.

Second, the high lords of the Andals, i.e. the Lannisters and the Arryns and the ancient families that serve them view the Tyrells as upstarts. The Tullys and the Tyrells greatly benefited from Aegon the Conqueror. He promoted both of them to overlord status. If someone like Tywin Lannister was the real power in the realm for very long, then the Tyrells might find themselves replaced by another upstart... this one grateful to the current regime. Also, because they are viewed as upstarts the Tyrells are probably less able to lead a victorious coalition than the Lannisters and Arryns.

Third, they know they are powerful. They may be newcomers, they may have archenemies, but they have great military and economic influence. Only by being completely foolish can they be omitted from any alliance that will rule Westeros. All of their competitors must account for Highgarden. So if Mace and Olenna are open to offers and circumstances, they are likely to gain more power.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

TK allow me to explain a little more indepth....after allowing that I may be wrong. Im okay with that.

I think before Tywins death the Tyrells were allied to the throne for reasons of expediency. While Olenna would always plot to gain the throne for her family I think she realized that Tywin was a shrewd opponent for her.

When he died that created a shift. Cersei is the voice behind Tommen and as such easily replaceable. We know that, Olenna knows that, the only who doesnt is Mace. But really....

The Tyrells (or more specifically Olenna) covet the throne. That much is clear. With Dany in power they have one chance of gaining control (which Ill address later) but Tommen is a ripe plum waiting to be swayed. How can they let that chance possibly slide past?

I think theyre so close at this point they will fight. Yes its likely they will lose, but with their dreaded enemies the Martells likely to be Danys staunchest supporters, it would be a far fall for Olenna and her ilk to switch sides now. In fact with Olenna closing in on death maybe she feels the pressure of the clock to put one of her brood on the throne. Knowing her progeny arent as shrewd as her this may be a deadline she has imposed on herself.

Now I think if the Tyrells are going to waver, then they already have. I believe if Loras is actually not burned horribly and lying on a pallet in Kings Landing, then he is on his way eastward. His instructions are simple, ally with and possibly woo the Queen of Dragons.